Oklahoma Hospital Shooting

[Emergent]

What is happening to our society? 

Oklahoma Hospital Shooting-BBC

Aside from the predictable debate about gun availability in the United States, what is spurring these bloody tragedies that are becoming more and more frequent?

In this case I wonder if the war on opiates was a contributing factor? This man had back surgery that 10 years ago would have earned him a generous prescription of opiates. Now you're having more and more frustration with patients who have chronic pain.

Generally, society has become more driven by the internet, leading to attention-craving behaviors. A lot of social structures have broken down. Young people have grown up with violent video games, and now have access to real, heavy duty weapons. Americans have become more and more entitled, rude, and spoiled. Those are just some of the things that cross my mind regarding this subject.

[klone, MSN, RN]

Millions of people live with chronic pain (myself included, I was one of the lucky ones for whom back surgery greatly improved my pain). Yet, we don't start going on shooting rampages.

The issue here is NOT "the war on opioids" or chronic pain management. The issue is a complete lack of mental health care in our country,  coupled with lax gun laws that allow any psychopath who is at least 18 to get their hands on an assault rifle. 

We need red flag laws, we need to make sure every person in the country KNOWS about the red flag laws and how  to use them,  and we need to get rid of ***ing assault rifles.

[HiddenAngels]

My heart goes out to all of the victims their families, and the countless others who have been impacted by these mass shootings. This violence has become so increasingly devastating it has paralyzed most of America and the rest of the world. I cannot begin to understand what makes people do some of things that they do but whatever it is, I believe the time is now for us to come together as human beings and try to find several ways to tackle this epidemic because clearly there is not just one solution to all of this.

It was very insightful and a pleasure to read everyone’s comments. ?❤️❤️?

Please Try to stay safe!

[Kooky Korky, BSN, RN]

On 6/4/2022 at 12:11 PM, klone said:

Millions of people live with chronic pain (myself included, I was one of the lucky ones for whom back surgery greatly improved my pain). Yet, we don't start going on shooting rampages.

The issue here is NOT "the war on opioids" or chronic pain management. The issue is a complete lack of mental health care in our country,  coupled with lax gun laws that allow any psychopath who is at least 18 to get their hands on an assault rifle. 

 

 

In the case of this shooting, untreated, unrelieved pain was the reason.  So the news has told us.

Gun access, mental illness were certainly other factors.

Can a person whose gun is red flagged away appeal?  How long does the removal last?  First step on slippery slope to eradicating our cherished freedoms.

[klone, MSN, RN]

7 hours ago, Kooky Korky said:

 

Can a person whose gun is red flagged away appeal?  How long does the removal last?  First step on slippery slope to eradicating our cherished freedoms.

It's no different from emergency orders  of protection, preventing a parent from being around their child if a professional deems the parent to be an immediate threat to the child, until such time that a full evaluation can be done. Or a 5150 that allows a person to be involuntarily committed until they can have a full evaluation done. Have either of those become "slippery slopes"? 

Also, did you know that 19 US states and the DC ALREADY HAVE red flag laws? Has that become a "slippery slope"?

[Emergent, RN]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_law

I had to look up what red flagging is. In theory it sounds like a good idea. According to the article there were  some reduction of suicides by firearms, but it says in Connecticut there was also a rise in non firearm suicides.

I think that mass shooting is such an uncommon event that it is really hard to predict who will snap like this. It is such a miniscule sliver of the population that would ever do anything so off the wall and insane, it's like finding a needle in a haystack.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

11 hours ago, Kooky Korky said:

In the case of this shooting, untreated, unrelieved pain was the reason.  So the news has told us.

Gun access, mental illness were certainly other factors.

Can a person whose gun is red flagged away appeal?  How long does the removal last?  First step on slippery slope to eradicating our cherished freedoms.

It's not clear yet whether owning a weapon of mass destruction is protected in the constitution since they aren't evidence of a "well-regulated militia."  Neil Gorsuch should recuse himself from making any decisions about guns since the NRA conducted a million dollar TV campaign in his favor.  For me, at least, it's not a "gun" issue; it's more about any Tom, Dick or Harry being able to own a weapon designed for street warfare.  If I were the night clerk at a 7-11, I would feel safer with a gun - that's just me.  

[Kooky Korky, BSN, RN]

7 hours ago, klone said:

It's no different from emergency orders  of protection, preventing a parent from being around their child if a professional deems the parent to be an immediate threat to the child, until such time that a full evaluation can be done. Or a 5150 that allows a person to be involuntarily committed until they can have a full evaluation done. Have either of those become "slippery slopes"? 

Also, did you know that 19 US states and the DC ALREADY HAVE red flag laws? Has that become a "slippery slope"?

No I didn't know.

Can you please answer my questions?

[Kooky Korky, BSN, RN]

14 hours ago, Kooky Korky said:

In the case of this shooting, untreated, unrelieved pain was the reason.  So the news has told us.

Gun access, mental illness were certainly other factors.

Can a person whose gun is red flagged away appeal?  How long does the removal last?  First step on slippery slope to eradicating our cherished freedoms.

An assault rifle is not required to kill.  I guess any gun will do.  So before you know it, all gun ownership will be halted if we start doing away with assault weapons.

[toomuchbaloney]

3 hours ago, Kooky Korky said:

An assault rifle is not required to kill.  I guess any gun will do.  So before you know it, all gun ownership will be halted if we start doing away with assault weapons.

That seems like flawed logic. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

6 hours ago, Kooky Korky said:

An assault rifle is not required to kill.  I guess any gun will do.  So before you know it, all gun ownership will be halted if we start doing away with assault weapons.

Read what you wrote.  Does that make the least bit of sense?  

[klone, MSN, RN]

On 6/8/2022 at 1:11 PM, Kooky Korky said:

No I didn't know.

Can you please answer my questions?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/us/red-flag-laws.html

On 6/8/2022 at 1:14 PM, Kooky Korky said:

An assault rifle is not required to kill.  I guess any gun will do.  So before you know it, all gun ownership will be halted if we start doing away with assault weapons.

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[klone, MSN, RN]

23 hours ago, Emergent said:

 

I think that mass shooting is such an uncommon event that it is really hard to predict who will snap like this. It is such a miniscule sliver of the population that would ever do anything so off the wall and insane, it's like finding a needle in a haystack.

Actually, in several studies looking at mass shootings over the past 50 years, almost every single shooter (particularly teen/young adult shooters) gave advance warning of their plans.