Due to a few people, including myself that thought that the hemophobic thread was homophobic and stated such...here is a homophobic thread...lets keep it nice now :).
I too (as one person stated) had a male homosexual whos partner was his MPOA. Sadly, most of the information was told to the patient and not his partner. His partner was so confused about the pts care, what the plans were, and was trying so hard to arrange after care that would fit their needs. No one really would discuss it with him, even though he proved he was a MPOA.
TILL I came along! I got everyone involved together and we discussed our short term and long term goals in a way both patient and partner could understand. There was quite a family dynamic involved with the pts family (against the pt being homosexual with a partner..they treated the partner like slime!), but the partner was the LEGAL MPOA! So I got in there and made it clear to everyone :).
It all worked out great, all sides were happy...(the patient was suicidal and depressed when he came in, so he wished to go to a psych inpatient to get better...bless his heart! He was so saddened by this family/partner fight he was just so sad looking and you can tell he just couldn't take it anymore!!!). And the MD's and RN's felt that they did actually get the info to the right persons involved and felt good about it. It was just that no one really got into that situation deep enough to figure out whom they should be talking with r/t the dynamics and fragile nature of the patients mind (we didn't want him to kill himself over his family and partner fighting!!!).
But would this have been the same if this was a married hetrosexual couple???? Would the wife or hubby automatically get the info with no question???
I read your full thread, and I got that you would provide the same care regardless of your belief that nonheterosexual couples are going against the natural order of things. To me, love is natural, UNAVOIDABLE, and wonderful. People love. It saddens me, that the natural tendency for people to love is considered going against a natural order. Regardless, everyone is untitled to their beliefs, and as you said you would give the same level of care.
I do believe everyone is entitled to their personal & private beliefs while providing equal & excellent patient care. It is a fact, the ability to procreate stems from a natural act of love between two people in a heterosexual relationship. Therefore, the natural order I refer to is the innate ability to procreate.
BTW, I'm not the OP. So, is it safe to assume you read my previous post, rather than full thread? The main focus of my previous post [the forest] was that no matter the personal beliefs of the nursing staff [the trees, if you will] they should have honored the fact the patient's partner had the MPOA.
If it were not for heterosexual relationships the human race would cease to exist.
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You say that like it's a good thing.
Huh?
Why do you want to insinuate something negative from one of my trees you have extrapolated from my forest? I do hope the human race continues to exist for a long time, don't you, too?
Can we get back on topic, or must we dissect & uproot my previously planted forest?
Bottom line, equal patient care for all includes honoring legal documents.
Why do you want to insinuate something negative from one of my trees you have extrapolated from my forest? I do hope the human race continues to exist for a long time, don't you, too?
Can we get back on topic, or must we dissect & uproot my previously planted forest?
Bottom line, equal patient care for all includes honoring legal documents.
Yo, Corvette Guy:
I was kidding.
But no, I don't necessarily think that there's any need or reason for humankind to continue. I do not believe that some supernatural force called the soul inhabits us, nor do I believe that there's any collection of ancient writing that codifies how we should behave. I further believe that we only have a couple of generations more before we render the earth uninhabitable.
As a secular humanist, I believe that we're all there is, and that we owe it to one another to make our short stay on this planet as pleasant as possible. I don't need the fear of eternal torture to know how to be a decent human being.
If procreation is the reason for human unions, then my husband and I should not have been permitted to marry. Although our union is heterosexual I am post-menopausal and he has had a vasectomy.
Lesbian friends of mine, at great expense, had a child via in vitro, with the younger woman bearning her biological child. They are now jumping through even more expensive legal hoops for that baby (born in April) to be adopted by the non-biological parent. I wish that all children could be as wanted as he is.
Yes, I feel the same way. I'm her MOTHER, I gave birth to her, I have some rights over what happens to my 12 year old daughter.
Making a rule or law for the small percentage of parents who might beat the crap out of their child for getting pregnant, makes no sense. I shouldn't be punished because of someone's else's reaction.
We live 70+ miles from the nearest city that does abortions. Someone would have to take my daughter from her school, drive her to this city and drive her home all without my knowledge. What happens if that someone gets into a car accident on the way? Who is liable then? Can I sue that person for injuries caused to my daughter in the accident?
It just seems nuts that I have to give the school my permission to give my daughter a Tylenol for a headache -yet they can whisk her off to an abortion and I would know nothing about it.
I do believe everyone is entitled to their personal & private beliefs while providing equal & excellent patient care. It is a fact, the ability to procreate stems from a natural act of love between two people in a heterosexual relationship. Therefore, the natural order I refer to is the innate ability to procreate.
BTW, I'm not the OP. So, is it safe to assume you read my previous post, rather than full thread? The main focus of my previous post [the forest] was that no matter the personal beliefs of the nursing staff [the trees, if you will] they should have honored the fact the patient's partner had the MPOA.
I think I understood you very well. You say, your main focus was that you would provide the same level of care. And, you said it was going against the natural order of life if it was not a heterosexual relationship, but it was their choice to do so. Yes, I think I understand you.
Fact; Local, State, and Federal systems recognize heterosexual marriages as legitimate regards to the legal system. Whereas, very few States recognize the union of same sex marriages as legal. Thus, the importance of legal documents & MPOA. Again, no matter an RNs personal beliefs a patient's rights & legal documents of related care come first.
I think I understood you very well. You say, your main focus was that you would provide the same level of care. And, you said it was going against the natural order of life if it was not a heterosexual relationship, but it was their choice to do so. Yes, I think I understand you.
Good, you read my entire previous post [not Thread since I'm not the OP] and understand that I respect a patient's sexual orientation as well as their choice in MPOA.
Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.
Folks, it's beginning to get ugly in here. This is a sensitive topic, and as educated, professional adults, we should be able to discuss it like.....well..... educated, professional adults. Please remember to debate the ISSUE and not each other. Thank you.
If it were not for heterosexual relationships the human race would cease to exist.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't Rosie O'Donnell and her partner have a baby recently? Isn't Tammy Michaels pregnant with a child that she and Melissa Ethridge will parent together? Didn't Melissa Ethridge have two children with her ex Julie Cypher? Just checking.
There are lots of people gay people who want to become parents, just like straight people, but don't want to go about it in the usual way.....and sometimes they do go about it in the usual way in order to get the child they want, but remain emotionally involved with a same-sex partner.
I somehow get the feeling that you think gays want everyone to be gay, and that there should be no heterosexuals on earth..... or that only gays should have the ability to have children and not straight people. Not true. What we're saying (yes, I am one too) is that some gays want to be parents as well, and thankfully science has created the technology for this to happen.
Your statement comes across to me that you think gays believe that ONLY gays should have children and straight people should not. I'm not sure. For some gays, NEVER having children is just a bonus for the state of their existence. It's nice that it never comes up as an issue or as a side effect from a regular expression of love.
But I can tell you for sure that I don't think that way, and I don't know any other gay people who do. I mostly am trying to respectfully point out that the "if it wasn't for hetersexuals......" statement isn't acurate.
I'm not disagreeing with you and I definitely don't want to get political. I'm just asking for clarity. :-)
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You say that like it's a good thing.