Due to a few people, including myself that thought that the hemophobic thread was homophobic and stated such...here is a homophobic thread...lets keep it nice now :).
I too (as one person stated) had a male homosexual whos partner was his MPOA. Sadly, most of the information was told to the patient and not his partner. His partner was so confused about the pts care, what the plans were, and was trying so hard to arrange after care that would fit their needs. No one really would discuss it with him, even though he proved he was a MPOA.
TILL I came along! I got everyone involved together and we discussed our short term and long term goals in a way both patient and partner could understand. There was quite a family dynamic involved with the pts family (against the pt being homosexual with a partner..they treated the partner like slime!), but the partner was the LEGAL MPOA! So I got in there and made it clear to everyone :).
It all worked out great, all sides were happy...(the patient was suicidal and depressed when he came in, so he wished to go to a psych inpatient to get better...bless his heart! He was so saddened by this family/partner fight he was just so sad looking and you can tell he just couldn't take it anymore!!!). And the MD's and RN's felt that they did actually get the info to the right persons involved and felt good about it. It was just that no one really got into that situation deep enough to figure out whom they should be talking with r/t the dynamics and fragile nature of the patients mind (we didn't want him to kill himself over his family and partner fighting!!!).
But would this have been the same if this was a married hetrosexual couple???? Would the wife or hubby automatically get the info with no question???
Corvette Guy , I agree with you but our belief does not apply to everyone-only the ones with the legal documents. What about the ones that can not get the legal documents. If gays can not get married how can they produce the same document allowed by heterosexuals? If someone is estranged from their spouse for safety issues (such as battered wifes hidding from thier spouse but are still married) clearly her spouse should not be mpoa but has the law allowing it. We should not depend on just legal documents to be the best answer for our patients.
If it were not for heterosexual relationships the human race would cease to exist.....Heterosexual marriage is a natural & legal institution............ So, please before some of you get offended over the trees in my post, please look at my forest.
I'm all for heterosexual marriage. Never said a word against it. My parents, my sister, and practically everyone I know are in heterosexual marriage. It's the way of the world for the overwhelming majority of folks. It's a beautiful thing to be cherished and admired.
I'm not offended by your post, I presume since you quoted me you're talking to me. I just wonder what your point is.
I guess your point is that you personally find homosexuality unnatural you still provide unconditional equal care. Good for you.
You've provided nothing productive to this thread other than homosexuals should have their legal documents in order to spare drama in the hospital since they can't marry. But you weren't particularly offensive to me.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't Rosie O'Donnell and her partner have a baby recently? Isn't Tammy Michaels pregnant with a child that she and Melissa Ethridge will parent together? Didn't Melissa Ethridge have two children with her ex Julie Cypher? Just checking.
There are lots of people gay people who want to become parents, just like straight people, but don't want to go about it in the usual way.....and sometimes they do go about it in the usual way in order to get the child they want, but remain emotionally involved with a same-sex partner.
I somehow get the feeling that you think gays want everyone to be gay, and that there should be no heterosexuals on earth..... or that only gays should have the ability to have children and not straight people. Not true. What we're saying (yes, I am one too) is that some gays want to be parents as well, and thankfully science has created the technology for this to happen.
Your statement comes across to me that you think gays believe that ONLY gays should have children and straight people should not. I'm not sure. For some gays, NEVER having children is just a bonus for the state of their existence. It's nice that it never comes up as an issue or as a side effect from a regular expression of love.
But I can tell you for sure that I don't think that way, and I don't know any other gay people who do. I mostly am trying to respectfully point out that the "if it wasn't for hetersexuals......" statement isn't acurate.
I'm not disagreeing with you and I definitely don't want to get political. I'm just asking for clarity. :-)
Natkat - I can see now I opened Pandora's Box with my statement relating to procreation, which as the statement stands alone is off topic. So, I must apologize for unexpectantly taking a well intended Thread way off topic. At this point no matter what I post someone will reply with a negative remark towards me. BTW, your post was well taken, which I appreciate.
I will say that I've worked as a civilian nurse with gay nurses and in no way do I generalize that gays believe that ONLY gays should have children and straight people should not.
Corvette Guy , I agree with you but our belief does not apply to everyone-only the ones with the legal documents. What about the ones that can not get the legal documents. If gays can not get married how can they produce the same document allowed by heterosexuals? If someone is estranged from their spouse for safety issues (such as battered wifes hidding from thier spouse but are still married) clearly her spouse should not be mpoa but has the law allowing it. We should not depend on just legal documents to be the best answer for our patients.
A person does not have to be a spouse to be appointed as a MPOA.
Natkat - I can see now I opened Pandora's Box with my statement relating to procreation, which as the statement stands alone is off topic. So, I must apologize for unexpectantly taking a well intended Thread way off topic.
I'm glad you can see this. It's really a no-brainer that heterosexuals procreate and allow civilization to continue. Again, I wonder what your point was, other than blantant heterosexism.
A person does not have to be a spouse to be appointed as a MPOA.
Absolutely.
But without someone making a legal document to disallow their spouse as a MPOA, they have the law on their side that the spouse is the automatic MPOA, no need to go to a lawyer about it.
A privlidge (sp?) that unmarried heterosexual people (i.e. gays in long-term monogomous relationships such as myself) don't have.
ALL patients should have their legal documents [MPOA, Advance Directives, etc.,] in order so we as nurses are able to provide the best possible nursing/medical care. My original post was not meant to be offensive towards you, or anyone else. You made mention of marriage regards to legality, so I thought I'd reply. Nothing more, and nothing less.
Thank you tweety I feel like I have made contact. One question I ask my patients when I do an admission assessment when we get to the advance
directive section is to ask them who they want to make decisions for them if they get in condition and can not do so for themselves, that way I have at least documented and can say and show the doctors, lawyers, merchants, and indian chiefs exactly what the patients wishes are even if it may not be in a legal form/document . This may not be enough but it is the best I can do for now in looking out for my patients best interest in the future.
I'm glad you can see this. It's really a no-brainer that heterosexuals procreate and allow civilization to continue. Again, I wonder what your point was, other than blantant heterosexism.
My point was simply my personal beliefs will never interfere my personal nursing philosophy, which is to provide the best possible nursing care for ALL my patient's.
BTW, I asked Merriam to explain to me what you meant by heterosexism but all I could find was the definition of sexism; discrimination based on sex. Tweety, I don't discriminate against anyone based on their gender, or sexual preference. BTW2, I guess you missed my belated happy birthday post. So, I'll post again, hope you & your's had a happy b-day celebration.
Yes, Burnout, in your previous post (or is it a thread?), I do the same. I ask the patient when they are admitted who they would want to make their medical decisions for them. I encourage them to have it legally filed and to keep copies with them.
Thank you tweety I feel like I have made contact. One question I ask my patients when I do an admission assessment when we get to the advance
directive section is to ask them who they want to make decisions for them if they get in condition and can not do so for themselves, that way I have at least documented and can say and show the doctors, lawyers, merchants, and indian chiefs exactly what the patients wishes are even if it may not be in a legal form/document . This may not be enough but it is the best I can do for now in looking out for my patients best interest in the future.
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Corvette Guy , I agree with you but our belief does not apply to everyone-only the ones with the legal documents. What about the ones that can not get the legal documents. If gays can not get married how can they produce the same document allowed by heterosexuals? If someone is estranged from their spouse for safety issues (such as battered wifes hidding from thier spouse but are still married) clearly her spouse should not be mpoa but has the law allowing it. We should not depend on just legal documents to be the best answer for our patients.