Am I the only one who finds this disrespectful? - page 7

Right now there are two threads (one which was closed) devoted to "things you should know before coming into our department" and the tone of the thread is thinly-veiled contempt at ignorant,... Read More

  1. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from Tweety
    I guess everyone does it. I visit a vegetarian site where theres a thread (the 2nd one of it's type with over 1700 replies "Stupid things omnivores say..." http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/s...ad.php?t=50491

    Surely omnivores won't be offended, it's just vegetarians "venting".
    Why do the vegans not spell out the word completely? The spell it with an asterik. Veg*ns....

    Or is this a stupid question asked by an omni?
    (Seriously, it's a legit question)
  2. by   justavolunteer
    I have read many of the posts pointing out that it's not just welfare pts. who have a sense of entitlement. These types come from all walks of life. They all cause nurses to do a happy dance when they leave. Sometimes I have mainly wondered about people on state aid who want everything under the sun & seem totally unable to comprehend the word 'no'. How can someone be so clueless?
    I also realize that there are needy people who are on some sort of assistance and couldn't survive without it. I do not expect ANY pt. to grovel before the staff. However the people who whine & carry on about every little thing! Do their families let them do this at home? If I tried some of this carrying on with my wife (or vice versa), neither one of us would put up with the other very long.
  3. by   Tweety
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    Why do the vegans not spell out the word completely? The spell it with an asterik. Veg*ns....

    Or is this a stupid question asked by an omni?
    (Seriously, it's a legit question)

    Not a stupid omnivore question.

    The word "veg*ns" is shorthand for "vegetarians and vegans".
  4. by   firstyearstudent
    My favorite stupid thing that omnivores say is to ask why you are a vegetarian when you're sitting down to dinner in an expensive restaurant. Then when you given them an honest answer, like explaining how animals suffer from factory farming and cruel slaughtering practices they get mad and accuse you of ruining their meal and being "holier than thou."
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from firstyearstudent
    My favorite stupid thing that omnivores say is to ask why you are a vegetarian when you're sitting down to dinner in an expensive restaurant. Then when you given them an honest answer, like explaining how animals suffer from factory farming and cruel slaughtering practices they get mad and accuse you of ruining their meal and being "holier than thou."

    That follows under the category "if you really didn't want to know, why did you ask?".

    Back to the original topic.......................
  6. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from phriedomRN
    So... next time I have a patient looking at several more weeks as an inpatient having I&Ds on a necrotic stump who wants a me to find her a cab ride so she can go shopping before her food stamps expire in 2 days (even though she's getting every nutritional requirement met while she's in the hospital) I need to jump through the hoops to *1)get the doctor to write her a release so she can leave 2)talk social services into getting her the voucher 3)time her meds so she gets them all before or after the shopping spree 4)try to take care of my other patients while doing it* in order to be a patient advocate? I don't think so Being a patient advocate means doing everything I can to meet the needs of my patient. Doing accuchecks, maintaing accurate I&Os, pain meds so she's able to get up with PT, helping her deal with the loss of a limb... those are things I'm happy to do.
    And what is she supposed to eat when she gets home. I can imagine that coming home from several weeks in the hospital to an empty cupboard would not be very conducive to a successful recovery. Instead of being so judgmental, why not consider WHY she felt it so important to buy some food while she had the means.
  7. by   SharonH, RN
    Quote from 33-weeker
    if you were needy and on public assitance, what would your attitude be?

    judging from the attitudes i'm reading, i would probably be very ..........defensive.


    my demeanor and attitude in life is not determined by how much money i have in the bank, but it comes from inside. i am the same person no matter how much i have or do not have. if you're nice to me, i'll be nice to you.
  8. by   slou!
    Quote from Tweety
    Not a stupid omnivore question.

    The word "veg*ns" is shorthand for "vegetarians and vegans".
    I was vegan for two and a half, and I never knew that and I was always reading it on veg forums! I also assumed it was just a way people felt like writing vegan, haha! I am now vegetarian, and have been for 3 years, but it's been a while since I've been on a vegetarian forum..

    Just to stay on topic, I don't think it's just the nursing profession that does this at all. I think ANY profession, this venting goes on, whether you choose to participate in it or not! I know where I work (I'm just a pre-nursing student, oh wait, are we called "nurse wannabes" now? ) anyway where I work, in a baby retail store, I deal with people who I have to vent about quite frequently. It is what keeps me from saying it to the customer! Our break room may sound pretty offensive, but I deal with some of the RUDEST people (as you all do too, I'm sure! Trust me I am NOT in any way saying I deal with more rude people or my job is harder because I know it is NOT.) but anyway, I deal with really really rude people, ALL day long. The only way to keep from being rude back is to vent, and the majority of the people I work with feel the same because they are right there with me venting.

    Since I am just a lowly pre-nursing student, I am not saying I know what it is like to be a nurse, because I don't. I am not a nurse, and I do not claim to be. I guess I probably shouldn't even be posting on here then, but oh well. I am just putting it into perspective from my point of view..
  9. by   smk1
    Perhaps more of us should be proactive in finding a method of reporting the sbuses to the system that we see. I know a person who is on WIC, gets free medical coupons for her family because their income looks so low due to being self employed and having tons of write offs. This family has a brand new SUV that is paid for a 6ok dollar convertible sports car, vacation properties in in florida, an AIRPLANE, own an appartment complex and other rental properties and have access to enough money do almost whatever they please. I was appalled....yet I haven't said a word because I felt like it wasn't my business to know their medical insurance info. In all other ways these are very nice people but this is the sort of abuse that makes people shake their heads at the whole system.
  10. by   jonear2
    OK, Ive read through all the posts and this is my question:

    Please give an example of a "venting post" that would be considered "just venting" and on that would be considered "over the line" because I think that is the gray area. What one poster considers offensive is what another would consider humerous. But out of curiosity I would like to see the difference please.
  11. by   klone
    I'm loathe to do this because I think it's inappropriate to call out specific individuals, and it's really a moot point, anyway. What one person finds "venting" and "humorous," another person will find "disrespectful" and each person will have their own line.

    Suffice it to say that in both of the big threads in question (not the one that was closed, but one recent one and one that was actually started a year+ ago and is still going strong), some of the posts literally made me cringe, and others really didn't bother me. I would say that the majority of the posts did NOT cross my personal line, but the ones that did really made me think "Wow, that was kind of a harsh and b**chy thing to say!"
  12. by   mercyteapot
    I would say that venting posts are those that address the behavior of the patient, while those that cross the line address patient characteristics like socioeconomic status, race or ethnicity, gender, specific diagnosis, religious or spiritual beliefs, marital status, etc.
  13. by   Tweety
    Quote from jonear2
    OK, Ive read through all the posts and this is my question:

    Please give an example of a "venting post" that would be considered "just venting" and on that would be considered "over the line" because I think that is the gray area. What one poster considers offensive is what another would consider humerous. But out of curiosity I would like to see the difference please.

    Venting post: boy it was a rough day, I had three post ops, two addmissions, one crashed and management wanted me to go to a "customer service" committee meeting.

    Disrepectful post: This homeless person came in stinking to high heaven because he hadn't had a bath in a week, with high blood pressure from his noncompliance, and after he was seen had the nerve to ask for dinner. I thought "gee mister, we're not going to be seeing a dime for this visit and you're not at a hotel".
    Last edit by Tweety on Oct 31, '06

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