where are the nursing shortages?

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I am hearing that there are shortages in some areas while some are cutting back jobs.

Can anyone tell me for sure where thet know there are nursing shortages in the U.S or Canada.

Thanks

Here in SW Florida there is currently a "hiring freeze" isn't that short for, you're SOL if you want to transfer internally?

Hopefully, they will start paying more in Florida. What is the hourly wage for an experienced RN in Florida (in your area) at this time? I still would love to move down in a few years but the poor pay scale is what is really holding me back.

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Specializes in SRNA.

Man - here in the Philadelphia area you will have no problem finding an ICU job as a new grad. I couldn't imagine doing med/surg. I would leave nursing before I would do that. Just too hard and dangerous for my liking.

-S

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Can someone explain this to me? I've seen this posted many times. Basically you're claiming they're running ads, spending all this money recruiting NOT to hire people ???

This makes no sense whatsoever. They could simply not run the ads, etc. and save the money

Unless you're going to claim that hospitals run ads, etc. just to placate existing staff and mislead them about shortages ... which, quite frankly, seems really ludricrous and highly unlikely.

:rolleyes:

Sorry to disillusion you on the healthcare industry's ways..I'm sure you think they're all honest. :coollook:

While I'm sure not all locales practice in exactly the same way, I gotta wonder why experienced nurses would EVER be ignored, IF THE NEED IS REALLY THERE.

What do they REALLY want?

I'm convinced their tactics provide a constant search for 'perfect specimens' along with a blackball of those deemed imperfect. But I doubt I will convince you. Hard to convince young nurses this goes on...til it happens to a friend or them.

The healthcare industry benefits from the continued churning out of new grads /importation so they can continue to discard the currently working nurses when they wish, and I've seen THIS happen over and over. Nurses are throwaways.

More in some areas than others, granted. The local hospital association I am familiar with operates like a mini mafia.

PS all that advertising/recruiting is a tax writeoff....

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I think it REALLY depends on where you are. I worked at one hospital as a new grad and it was horrible. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they used such dirty tricks. Fortunately there are places out there that aren't sneaky or underhanded too.

It may be just me, but I've noticed that one hospital towns are the most vulnerable to this type of thing. Since they have no competition, they can be pretty selective about who they hire and don't hire.

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Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.
Sorry to disillusion you on the healthcare industry's ways..I'm sure you think they're all honest. :coollook:

While I'm sure not all locales practice in exactly the same way, I gotta wonder why experienced nurses would EVER be ignored, IF THE NEED IS REALLY THERE.

What do they REALLY want?

I'm convinced their tactics provide a constant search for 'perfect specimens' along with a blackball of those deemed imperfect. But I doubt I will convince you. Hard to convince young nurses this goes on...til it happens to a friend or them.

The healthcare industry benefits from the continued churning out of new grads /importation so they can continue to discard the currently working nurses when they wish, and I've seen THIS happen over and over. Nurses are throwaways.

More in some areas than others, granted. The local hospital association I am familiar with operates like a mini mafia.

PS all that advertising/recruiting is a tax writeoff....

I think you are really on it, mattsmom. I think if they had their way, UAPs, CMA's and cheap labor would be the thing to fill the bill, NOT experienced, proven RN's or LPNs. Experienced RN's cost way too much. They are seen as a liability more than an asset in so many hospitals and LTC's today.

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WHAT EVER THEY SAY, WHAT EVER THEY PROMISE YOU, STAY OUT OF OKLAHOMA, READ THE OBN'S ACTIONS AGAINST NURSES AND THE CASES THEY PROSECUTE, PROTECT YOUR LICENSE AND CAREERS. 'S WITH WOLVES.

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Here in Oklahoma LPN's perform many of the same functions as the RN's do. I think by government and employers giving preference to RN's they have created their own "shortages". There's many a "RN" (new and seasoned) that this LPN has oriented and trained, including those to be my up and coming charge....It is also very competitive to try to get into ASN/BSN programs here because school budgets do not allow for adequate classess/staff. I am currently in a "fast track" program that will still take me 2-3yrs (just to get my ASN) because I am not receiving credit for my LPN and year of experience until I apply to the actual nursing school. Before I can do that I have to complete unecessary prerequisites.

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Sorry to disillusion you on the healthcare industry's ways..I'm sure you think they're all honest. :coollook:

The healthcare industry benefits from the continued churning out of new grads /importation so they can continue to discard the currently working nurses when they wish, and I've seen THIS happen over and over. Nurses are throwaways.

More in some areas than others, granted. The local hospital association I am familiar with operates like a mini mafia.

PS all that advertising/recruiting is a tax writeoff....

I don't believe the healthcare industry is honest by any means. I believe they're interested in the bottom line and only the bottom line. And, if the whole game is to bring in new nurses and discard the old ones ... the question is how do they profit from this?

If they profit by paying the new nurses less money, then ok. But then you'd have to also add the costs of all the advertising, recruiting etc. which, for all we know, could make this proposition just as expensive as keeping the old nurses. Especially when you figure additional training, orientation and other costs that you have with new grads.

The motivation can't just be tax writeoffs because all expenses are tax writeoffs. So the question is: do they make more money with this alleged charade that you have described? And, if so, how?

If, in fact, this is more profitable then, I would tend to agree with you. I'm just not sure that it is, in fact, more profitable when you consider the other costs. Every study I've read points out that high nursing staff turnover actually increases costs so, that's why it doesn't make much sense to me.

:coollook:

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Specializes in Med/Surg.

Indianapolis has a lot of nursing jobs available...the are tons of hospitals here...if you are willing to work night shifts and some weekends, you will have no trouble finding a job. However, if you want day shift with minimal weekends you will have a bit more trouble. There does seem to be quite a few nursing jobs here, though.

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Sorry to disillusion you on the healthcare industry's ways..I'm sure you think they're all honest. :coollook:

While I'm sure not all locales practice in exactly the same way, I gotta wonder why experienced nurses would EVER be ignored, IF THE NEED IS REALLY THERE.

What do they REALLY want?

I'm convinced their tactics provide a constant search for 'perfect specimens' along with a blackball of those deemed imperfect. But I doubt I will convince you. Hard to convince young nurses this goes on...til it happens to a friend or them.

The healthcare industry benefits from the continued churning out of new grads /importation so they can continue to discard the currently working nurses when they wish, and I've seen THIS happen over and over. Nurses are throwaways.

More in some areas than others, granted. The local hospital association I am familiar with operates like a mini mafia.

PS all that advertising/recruiting is a tax writeoff....

:rotfl: Salaries for both new grads and importing from other countries saves billions of dollars. I know cause I'm a new grad not even sure I want to get out there now. The pay they will offer me for the very same responsibilities and patient ratio experienced nurses have is pennies on the dollar. And to boot, nobody really wants to help you out there. Your on your own and don't have a clue.....and nobody is willing to show you the way....that stinks......... :rotfl:

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:rotfl: Salaries for both new grads and importing from other countries saves billions of dollars. I know cause I'm a new grad not even sure I want to get out there now. The pay they will offer me for the very same responsibilities and patient ratio experienced nurses have is pennies on the dollar. And to boot, nobody really wants to help you out there. Your on your own and don't have a clue.....and nobody is willing to show you the way....that stinks......... :rotfl:

If that is the case then you are in a bad facility and I know that there are a lot of them out there but keep searching. There are great hospitals, although none are perfect, that offer good, long, solid orientation/preceptorship/internship and give you the foundation you need to succeed.

Don't just look for the best paying facility, some of the ones that pay less (like mine in comparison to other area hospitals) could be the ones that will give you the best experience. I had a great internship and still don't know everything (no one does) but at least I'm no longer freaking out every time I clock in not knowing what I'm going to be walking into and being left on my own.

Shame on the nurse's on your unit who throw you to the wolves but would probably turn around and criticize you at the slightest error.

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We have built four new hospitals in the past decade...with three more to be built in the next five years...

Yes, we need nurses!

Haze

Sunrise Hospital RN x 23 years...

Spring Valley Hospital "moonlighter"

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