why nursing is a mess. three simple facts

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1. cost too much to transfer license from another state. About 220 bucks just for me to transfer my RN license since I am moving to another state. Lame. it's not like ive performed any crimes in the past few months.

2. Phd in nursing- LOL? Who would get a phd in nursing? it is not like it is as an elaborate field as chemistry, biology, or psychology. WHAT A JOKE. This is pretty much just a bullbeat way to try to OVERLEGITIMIZE the nursing profession. What are you performing double blind controlled studies on.... HOW TO GIVE A BEDBATH OR BREAK THE SEAL ON THE ASPIRIN TABLET???? Keep it simple folks.

3. Overcomplication- nurses are probably the worst at over complicating things. I remember back in undergraduate, we were taught those elaborate care plans. Do you know what care plans are? GARBAGE. You never use them and nobody cares about them. Unless you are one of those old hags with a Phd IN NURSING..... You know what else is dumb. NURSING DIAGNOSES. you know what those are? cheap copies of medical diagnoses, aka nurses trying to legitimize themselves with medicine. I remember having to come up with these stupid things. IMPAIRED NUTRITION SECONDARY TO DIFFICULTY SWALLOWING. ARE YOU KIDDING ME, NO CRAP, IF YOU CANT SWALLOW YOU CANT EAT. NO CRAP ROFL. I also remember the nursing skills manual. 10 pages on HOW TO FOLD A FREAKING WASHCLOTH AND MAKE A BED. Go home overcomplicators, go home.

I also remember having to learn indepth about diagnoses such as cardiac tamponade. WHENS THE LAST TIME YOU PAGED THE DOCTOR AT 3 AM "Hey I think this patient is in cardiac tamponade, you know when they stick the tampon in lemonaide???" ARE YOU KIDDING ME... NEVER.

I could go on and on about point 3.

Overcomplication is a simple way to try to self-legitimize. Something the PHD level nurses are professionals at. Good professionals simplify as much as they can, not do this garbage.

Specializes in Education, FP, LNC, Forensics, ED, OB.

Please, let's keep this civil.

A little rant here and there is good for the soul, but to completely generalize and call names is not productive and against the Terms of Service as well. We are professionals and should conduct ourselves in like manner.

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Specializes in Clinical Research, Outpt Women's Health.

I thought one of the points of this forum was so we could let loose asnd rant and rave a little in a safe place :)

I can go to other sites for professionalism all the time. Just saying...............

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
I thought one of the points of this forum was so we could let loose asnd rant and rave a little in a safe place :)

I can go to other sites for professionalism all the time. Just saying...............

Eh, I thought that it would be a pre-warning for those who disagree with the OP...just sayin'.

Specializes in ER.

Regarding nursing diagnoses. I don't thing they are totally lacking merit. I believe they have value in training nursing students, and should be kept in nursing schools. Care plans as well.

We are actually required to chose a nursing diagnosis in the ER. We all click through it, the computer presents us with 5 common choices and basically we just click one to satisfy the Joint Commission when they review charts. But our choice does NOTHING to drive care in any way, shape, or form. Having to choose one is merely a nonsensical nod to academia.

I do I feel much better. 240 bucks is a lot

I couldn't agree with you more about nursing diagnoses.

But, as you are a provider... isn't $220/240 licensure fee the going rate?

Specializes in ICU.

I don't see why we should have to pay so many stupid fees to get licensed to do something we already do in a country we already do it in. I'm ready for US NURSING LICENSES... up yours, states and state employees. I don't want you all to have my money anymore.

#3 really depends on where you work. I suggest to physicians often what I think is wrong with the patient... in medical diagnosis terms, not nursing diagnosis terms. I totally could not agree with you more about how idiotic nursing diagnoses are.

Specializes in ER.
I don't see why we should have to pay so many stupid fees to get licensed to do something we already do in a country we already do it in. I'm ready for US NURSING LICENSES... up yours, states and state employees. I don't want you all to have my money anymore.

#3 really depends on where you work. I suggest to physicians often what I think is wrong with the patient... in medical diagnosis terms, not nursing diagnosis terms. I totally could not agree with you more about how idiotic nursing diagnoses are.

It actually makes more sense for States to administer education requirements, discipline, and all else that goes into nursing. The fees help pay for the people who do this. I personally find my yearly fee to be very easy to pay, I think it's $100 or so.

What I don't get is the fact that there is not universal reprocity. If I wanted to do agency in a neighboring state I have to go through hassles and hoops to wait for a license. I should be able to send them a link to my license online, pay a fee, and get my license in 2 weeks.

Specializes in ICU.
It actually makes more sense for States to administer education requirements, discipline, and all else that goes into nursing. The fees help pay for the people who do this. I personally find my yearly fee to be very easy to pay, I think it's $100 or so.

What I don't get is the fact that there is not universal reprocity. If I wanted to do agency in a neighboring state I have to go through hassles and hoops to wait for a license. I should be able to send them a link to my license online, pay a fee, and get my license in 2 weeks.

I am licensed in two states and moving through the process to be licensed in a third, so that's where my frustration is coming from. I don't really mind paying fees once, but now I'm going to be paying three separate states for the same thing when renewal comes around in each one. I think that's just ridiculous and I feel like I'm just paying paper pushers. It makes more sense to me to pay one renewal fee and send in one set of renewal paperwork instead of three fees and three sets of papers so I can work exactly the same job I was already working.

We should definitely have universal reciprocity, especially when there are states that require proof of all of your employment as a nurse to get a license as a nurse. That's just ridiculous.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

Alas.....Fees make the world go around. Look at an airplane ticket. Look at paying for that silly blanket or pillow. Look at your cell phone bill or cable....what are those fees for?

I about laughed myself silly when my daughter was applying to colleges...

  • Cost Itemization
  • Tution for Massachusetts Residents: $970
  • Tution for non-Massachusetts Residents: $7,050
  • Room and Board or estimated off campus living expense: $8,344
  • Books and Supplies: $800
  • Other Fees: $7,740

Other fees??? That cost more than the actual education. What in the world?

But...it is what it is...my earlier reference to I'M AS MAD and I'm not going to take it anymore is a nod to a 1976 movie NETWORK. Stands true still today. Check it out on Youtube

Oh, where should I begin?

  1. So you think "nursing is a mess" because of the fees one must pay to transfer a license form state to state? Really?? These fees are decided upon by politicians, and not nurses. Please write to your congressman.
  2. The reason why students have the opportunity to become nurses is because of nurses with doctoral degrees. They're called faculty. I realize that a PhD in nursing is not for everyone, but having members of this profession with masters degrees and doctoral degrees is part of what makes this a profession.
  3. And finally, I can see why you are against over-complication. In your examples, you cite nursing diagnoses that are used in nursing school. Getting students to think about the care of patients with a view of the "big picture" is a good thing. Otherwise, we have students thinking about the care of patients as nothing but a series of tasks. And that is not what nursing professionals do.

Specializes in Med Surg.

This sounds like a few of my know-nothing, burnt out, terminally unhappy coworkers who hate their jobs and refuse to learn anything (or apply stuff they should already know).

People have mistaken easy access to information for actually knowing the information or how to apply it.

Specializes in ER.
This sounds like a few of my know-nothing, burnt out, terminally unhappy coworkers who hate their jobs and refuse to learn anything (or apply stuff they should already know).

People have mistaken easy access to information for actually knowing the information or how to apply it.

Sorry, this sounds like a personal attack. I doubt is the OP is a know-nothing. She is just frustrated with some of the inanities in our profession.
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