Nurses and Kids Going to College?

Paying for a child's education and saving money at the same time is hard. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

Most of us must choose and that's not an easy thing to do - but it could be crucial to your retirement.

Many Americans, nurses included, will find that they will have to delay retirement and work longer to reach their financial goals. We are living years longer and it takes more money to make that work.

A principal reason retirement is delayed, too, is that too many parents prioritize saving into a child's college fund over their own retirement plans.

Putting money into future college classes isn't going to help your kid if they end up having to support you in your old age - right when they should be saving for their own retirements.

It can be a difficult conversation, one I have often with clients, and it's no easier a conversation between clients and their own kids. Who wants to deprive their children of their dreams?

Nurses especially have a tough time of it. The hours are long and the opportunity to learn about investing are few. After working long shifts, parenting and the grind of a commute there isn't much mental energy for thinking about money.

Here's the quick version: Don't put money in a 529 account for your child. Put it in a retirement account for yourself. Your son or daughter can get a loan for college. You can't get a loan to pay for your retirement.

The big reason is time. You cannot make more of it, while your kids have nothing but time. The whole reason that saving regularly for retirement works is compound interest, and that requires serious time, decades.

The money you set aside today into a tax-deferred IRA will grow and compound over the years. Compound growth is like magic. A dollar saved turns into two, then four, then eight. Prudently invested money cannot help but grow into a major nest egg.

Picture a pond. It has one lily pad on it. The lily pad doubles every week. There are two lily pads, then four, then eight. The pond is filling up all by itself.

In the second-to-last week, the lily pads cover half the pond. By the very next week, the entire pond is covered! Remember, the lilies are doubling. All of them.

That's how compound interest works. You need to save early and consistently, but by the end of your saving years the amount of money in your account can be enormous.

People underestimate how powerful and important time is to long-term investments. They chase immediate priorities, then fail to use that time when they are young to get started saving and investing. It costs them big in the long run.

Yes, buy a house if you like. Pay off your student debts, of course. But definitely make retirement saving a priority, and you should make it a higher priority than higher ed for your children.

You can always help your kids later, when your retirement is secure. Give them tax-free cash (the IRS allows it) that you don't need to spend. Buy them cars or vacations if you like, anything.

Just don't give them those dollars now, while that money could be invested and compounding into real retirement security for you. If you end up not needing it all, they'll get it anyway, right?

I often tell my clients that choosing retirement over higher education doesn't mean that you can't help your children financially. It doesn't mean you are a bad parent.

It does mean that you are taking your own future seriously, and that's a powerful lesson for any child at any age.

And if I could "LOVE" this post, I would.

"People shouldn't have children if they can't afford to send them to college" is probably one of the most elitist things I've heard in a while.

I can't find this quote in this entire thread. It certainly wasn't said or intended by me.

I just wonder, out of curiosity, how many of the posters saying they have enough money to fund their children's educations as well as their retirement have already saved up more than a million dollars?

We have saved more than enough for retirement. But it's mainly DH who gets credit for that. Nursing typically has an earning ceiling too low to provide for many millions in retirement without some really really savvy investing and and additional income in the household.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
I can't find this quote in this entire thread. It certainly wasn't said or intended by me.

I'm sorry I put it in quotes - I did not mean to imply that it was a quote, but rather an idea.

I'm sorry I put it in quotes - I did not mean to imply that it was a quote, but rather an idea.

I truly hope you believe that I don't hold elitist ideals.

My parents provided a roof, meals etc and transportation for me to school, that enabled me to take a moderate re-payable school loan. I considered then invested in my future and making sure I had the opportunity to obtain the education/skills I needed.

I was fortunate to have had that option and I would expect nothing less from myself. I don't have hundreds of thousands saved for my kids' education, they have very small funds and I help them as they go. They feel supported as well as having to have some responsibility to make contributions to their expenses. I did not say, "I got you to 18, now you're on your own."

Those are types of support that I was referring to help kids get to a living wage. It's more participatory than a straight cash flow.

I understand why the OP suggested the strategy and discourages nurses to save for retirement instead of funding their children's education.

However, it is more complicated.

For example: Not every student will qualify for loans that are low in interest / federal. Personally, I do not want my children to end up with loans that they will have a hard time paying back. There are affordable options like community college, especially to finish all the general ed classes. But it still accumulates and nowadays it can be difficult to find a job that pays enough to pay off loans and pay for a living, which seems to be the reason why so many college grads move back in with their parents for a while....

Saving for retirement is important but as a parent I also do not want to see my children struggle through young adulthood with huge loans as they prepare to have their own future and life.

And --- regarding retirement --- the ones who do not save anything and fall into the low-income category and qualify for Medicaid get rewarded by our system as Medicaid will pay for longterm care (nursing home) - though they will put a lien on a house - .

People who do save and have assets have to engage in "down spending" before they qualify for Medicaid, which is what most people do not want.

It has gotten to the point where I want to gratulate the person who has nothing or not much because at least they will be taken care off in a nursing home if they are at the end of life or closer and do not have anybody who will take care of them.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
I truly hope you believe that I don't hold elitist ideals..

I don't. I've been very prickly today. My apologies.

Specializes in Geriatrics, Home Health.

Does any other first-world industrialized country put parents and their grown children in this kind of position?

The same public college that cost my mother $1,500 for 2 years in the early 1970s, and cost me $1,500 per semester in the early 2000s, now charges more than $1,500 for a single 3-credit class.

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
Does any other first-world industrialized country put parents and their grown children in this kind of position?

The same public college that cost my mother $1,500 for 2 years in the early 1970s, and cost me $1,500 per semester in the early 2000s, now charges more than $1,500 for a single 3-credit class.

In the financial realm, the price of a good or service increases astronomically when the PTB make loan proceeds freely available and easy to obtain.

We have a college bubble in the U.S. because student loan funds are easier to obtain than ever. As a result, schools can charge outrageous tuition and fees that greatly outpace inflation. Eventually, the bubble will pop.

We did have a real estate bubble in the U.S. in the early and mid-2000s because mortgage loans were easier to obtain than ever. As a result, housing prices increased staggeringly in many markets. Eventually, the bubble popped.

Does any other first-world industrialized country put parents and their grown children in this kind of position?

The same public college that cost my mother $1,500 for 2 years in the early 1970s, and cost me $1,500 per semester in the early 2000s, now charges more than $1,500 for a single 3-credit class.

In many countries where higher education is free or nearly so, this comes with the reality that not everyone will be able to go to college. In the US, we've collectively decided that everyone should go to college and everyone is entitled to go to college, no matter their preparation, their intellect, their drive, or their ability to actually tackle college level courses. This is NOT the case in other nations. People who don't demonstrate the highest academic chops just don't get in and are directed to trade schools and other avenues. The hue and cry that would arise in the US if masses of students were told they didn't qualify for college and must go to trade schools would be deafening.

Free college (or very low cost) following the models of many nations who offer it will never fly here.

Specializes in Ambulatory Care, Rheumatology.
TheCommuter, BSN, RN Meanwhile I am really curious about how you chose Nursing. I grew up around Entrepreneurs and Business Owners yet lived with my mom who said she would help financially with school, only if I chose Nursing. Feel free to shoot me a PM.
Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
TheCommuter, BSN, RN Meanwhile I am really curious about how you chose Nursing. I grew up around Entrepreneurs and Business Owners yet lived with my mom who said she would help financially with school, only if I chose Nursing. Feel free to shoot me a PM.
I chose nursing because it seemed like a quick path to a stable middle-income career. Since I grew up in a household where the financial situation was rather precarious, I placed a high value on stable income and avoidance of a paycheck to paycheck existence. I entered nursing as an LVN via a 12-month trade school program and stair-stepped my way to the ASN and BSN degrees.

My mother would have been happy if I had kept my unionized cashiering job at a grocery store when I was 19. I also worked as a factory worker at a paper mill from ages 20 to 23, and the parents wanted me to stick around to potentially 'retire' from this workplace. However, I knew intuitively that lifetime employment was a vestige of a bygone era (I worked at the paper mill from 2001 to 2004), and that many manual labor jobs were being replaced by automation.

I am not a hands-on person, so I never really enjoyed the direct patient care aspects of nursing. The procedural skills also never appealed to me. For me, the appeal of nursing was found in the flexible scheduling, career mobility, advancement opportunities, educational progression, and steady income.

As person that took out federal loans (only federal, no private ones) for both of my bachelor degrees at a state university, I don't have a problem with parents not paying for university and instead prioritizing retirement. You can still help your kids out without shouldering that financial burden and giving the student ownership of the cost of education isn't really a terrible idea.