Nurses and Kids Going to College?

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Nurses and Kids Going to College?

Most of us must choose and that's not an easy thing to do - but it could be crucial to your retirement.

Many Americans, nurses included, will find that they will have to delay retirement and work longer to reach their financial goals. We are living years longer and it takes more money to make that work.

A principal reason retirement is delayed, too, is that too many parents prioritize saving into a child's college fund over their own retirement plans.

Putting money into future college classes isn't going to help your kid if they end up having to support you in your old age - right when they should be saving for their own retirements.

It can be a difficult conversation, one I have often with clients, and it's no easier a conversation between clients and their own kids. Who wants to deprive their children of their dreams?

Nurses especially have a tough time of it. The hours are long and the opportunity to learn about investing are few. After working long shifts, parenting and the grind of a commute there isn't much mental energy for thinking about money.

Here's the quick version: Don't put money in a 529 account for your child. Put it in a retirement account for yourself. Your son or daughter can get a loan for college. You can't get a loan to pay for your retirement.

The big reason is time. You cannot make more of it, while your kids have nothing but time. The whole reason that saving regularly for retirement works is compound interest, and that requires serious time, decades.

The money you set aside today into a tax-deferred IRA will grow and compound over the years. Compound growth is like magic. A dollar saved turns into two, then four, then eight. Prudently invested money cannot help but grow into a major nest egg.

Picture a pond. It has one lily pad on it. The lily pad doubles every week. There are two lily pads, then four, then eight. The pond is filling up all by itself.

In the second-to-last week, the lily pads cover half the pond. By the very next week, the entire pond is covered! Remember, the lilies are doubling. All of them.

That's how compound interest works. You need to save early and consistently, but by the end of your saving years the amount of money in your account can be enormous.

People underestimate how powerful and important time is to long-term investments. They chase immediate priorities, then fail to use that time when they are young to get started saving and investing. It costs them big in the long run.

Yes, buy a house if you like. Pay off your student debts, of course. But definitely make retirement saving a priority, and you should make it a higher priority than higher ed for your children.

You can always help your kids later, when your retirement is secure. Give them tax-free cash (the IRS allows it) that you don't need to spend. Buy them cars or vacations if you like, anything.

Just don't give them those dollars now, while that money could be invested and compounding into real retirement security for you. If you end up not needing it all, they'll get it anyway, right?

I often tell my clients that choosing retirement over higher education doesn't mean that you can't help your children financially. It doesn't mean you are a bad parent.

It does mean that you are taking your own future seriously, and that's a powerful lesson for any child at any age.

Managing Director and Chief Investment Officer of a financial investment company

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Specializes in ICU.

Guess I disagree as I invest in a 529 for my child. OP, do you have children? I understand you are a financial advisor, but do you have children?

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

I kind of agree with the OP. My daughter, if she were to go into debt for school, has a much longer time to pay it down/off than I have to retirement. Much longer. I think it would be nice for my kids not to worry if mom and dad need support and feel obligated to help us out in our old age. Being able to retire independently, is a gift in itself.

I did not earn much money til she was in high school (she is my youngest). Therefore, money to invest in her college fund was short. It was the sacrifice we made so we could care for our kids ourselves, rather than raise them in daycares. We also homeschooled and it was me doing that. Choices are never easy for us or our kids.

Now, my daughter is in a running start program, attending college for her last 2 years of high school so 2 years of school are already paid by the state.

Gotta be smart. Told her shop around; we will help all we can---- she will always have food and a roof but tuition may be another story, esp. Hopefully being a honor student and in Phi Theta Kappa, she will get some scholarships. She plans to go into a BSN program, and later, maybe CRNA or med school. Whatever she does, if she continues in a private university. And kids who have an investment in their college payments usually do much better, less likely to party their time away, and drop out.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PACU.

I don't totally agree with this . If you have an excellent retirement program at work, which my husband and I both do, then opening a 529 shouldn't be an issue. If you don't , then don't open one.

There are still some majors that aren't offered at community colleges and do require a child to go to university. Some schools don't offer the college class options in high school. If you can help your kids, and not put yourself in financial ruin, then do it.

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.
I don't totally agree with this . If you have an excellent retirement program at work, which my husband and I both do, then opening a 529 shouldn't be an issue. If you don't , then don't open one.

There are still some majors that aren't offered at community colleges and do require a child to go to university. Some schools don't offer the college class options in high school. If you can help your kids, and not put yourself in financial ruin, then do it.

I agree. The original post assumes that parents can't do both. It takes an "all or nothing" approach that doesn't match a lot of people's situation. A lot of people are able to invest in retirement and also put some money aside to help the kids.

A lot of financial advisers recommend against that type of "all or nothing" thinking. It limits people's options unnecessarily. Investigate ALL of the possibilities (including saving for retirement and also saving for kids' college) and then choose the one that works best for you.

Maybe the OP thinks all nurses are poor and isn't aware that many nurses make good salaries and have good benefits.

Another vote for doing BOTH, especially if there are two incomes in the family.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

Agree, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Here's a thought - pay off your debt, live frugally, buy cars that are a few years old instead of brand new, and hopefully you will have enough that you can fund BOTH an IRA *and* a 529.

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.

I suppose my views on this issue go against the general grain...

To provide a little background, I was born and raised in a working-class household where neither parent attained any education beyond a high school diploma.

Although they struggled in a job market that devalued their manual labor, they did not see the value of higher education. Rather, they viewed it as a ball and chain that could drag you down and potentially not reap rewards.

So when I was accepted to three universities during my 12th grade year, they discouraged me from attending and even refused to provide financial information for the FAFSA. As a compliant only child who did not want to rock the boat, I respected their wishes and entered the workforce immediately after high school.

My controversial point, which goes against educated middle-class culture, is that parents do not owe their children anything beyond the basics of shelter, food, clothing, safety, and a nurturing launching pad into adulthood. A 529 account is not an entitlement or a must.

Life does not owe us anything. Life does not owe a person the blessing of good, future-oriented parents who will fund his/her college education. Life does not owe us a college degree, or a nice job, or comfort, or anything for that matter.

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.
Agree, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. Here's a thought - pay off your debt, live frugally, buy cars that are a few years old instead of brand new, and hopefully you will have enough that you can fund BOTH an IRA *and* a 529.

I definitely agree with this. Even people with middle-class incomes can live well, save for retirement, AND help their kids (at least a little) if they learn to live frugally. I see so many people wasting so much money on short-term pleasure buying things that they will only enjoy for a short time ...

Managing your income well makes a huge difference!

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.
I suppose my views on this issue go against the general grain...

I don't think that parents/life OWE their kids a free college education either ... but if you are able to help them out a bit, why wouldn't you want to? I think it gives most parents pleasure to help their kids.

Personally, I don't have kids -- but I have nieces and nephews -- and I definitely enjoy helping them. I'm not going to impoverish myself giving them everything, but within reasonable limits, I enjoy helping them out a bit. I am happy to see them thrive and hope they have long, happy, productive lives. Do I OWE them that? No, but I am happy to share some of my resources with them to help them improve the quality of their lives.

If you can afford it, giving to others can be very satisfying.

I suppose my views on this issue go against the general grain...

To provide a little background, I was born and raised in a working-class household where neither parent attained any education beyond a high school diploma.

Although they struggled in a job market that devalued their manual labor, they did not see the value of higher education. Rather, they viewed it as a ball and chain that could drag you down and potentially not reap rewards.

So when I was accepted to three universities during my 12th grade year, they discouraged me from attending and even refused to provide financial information for the FAFSA. As a compliant only child who did not want to rock the boat, I respected their wishes and entered the workforce immediately after high school.

My controversial point, which goes against educated middle-class culture, is that parents do not owe their children anything beyond the basics of shelter, food, clothing, safety, and a nurturing launching pad into adulthood. A 529 account is not an entitlement or a must.

Life does not owe us anything. Life does not owe a person the blessing of good, future-oriented parents who will fund his/her college education. Life does not owe us a college degree, or a nice job, or comfort, or anything for that matter.

I believe my first responsibility is to provide for my retirement. While I don't "owe" my kids an education, I most certainly will provide one for them with the extra money I happen to have. I do it not because I owe it to them, but because I love them and want to give them the gift of a higher education with the funds I have at my disposal. I completely disagree with your parents' philosophy regarding higher education. Education gives people more options, not to mention the intangible benefits that come with learning new things and expanding one's mind. I don't owe them a gift on their birthday either, or a meal at a nice restaurant when they are in town, but it's something I choose to do for them.

Bottom line-if the funds for college just are not available without giving up one's retirement, then college tuition falls into the "want," not "need" category. But for me personally, to have the kind of extra money we have and spend it all on ourselves instead of helping our kids get a college education-NOT HAPPENING.

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

I am not "all or nothing". My daughter will get what she NEEDS. Food/shelter/books, healthcare. That most certainly is not "nothing". In fact, it's everything. The basics to live. Huge...... a lot more than I had at 18 when I had to join the military to support myself, and earn that GI Bill to go to school.

Tuition, maybe we can help a bit, maybe not; depends on largely, where she chooses to go to school. But like said above me, it's not an imperative need. Kids are not entitled to tuition, necessarily. We can invest heavily in 401/503 and other funds and like 2008, get wiped out. Then what? Still have to retire someday. Don't want the kids to have to support me in retirement. So I don't think it's so bad to expect them to step up. I did, so did millions of others. I can't be saddled with 6 figure debt, however, for college, not at this stage in my life. Not if I want to retire before 80. And many places won't keep a nurse on who is over 65 to 70 anyhow. Then what?

It won't kill her to earn her own way. Matter of fact, it's a character-builder. And we have had the talks about tuition and how to pay. She knows we are not footing the whole 50k-100K. Because we just can't.

The way I see it, retirement planning is essential. Tuition, is important. But she has more time in her life to pay it back than I do. I did not earn enough to invest much in tuition when she was young. I guess that makes me a lousy parent, ok. I did my best. And she understands my thinking; she gets it.

I have to wonder how many have really looked HARD at what it takes to retire, just being "comfortable". People are living longer and retirement funds may have to stretch out to age 90 or beyond. I have longevity in my family. I have to really plan ahead if I want to be able to live at all near comfortably. AND not be a burden to my kids. And I don't think it selfish to want to live comfortably working and raising them all my adult life. I think I deserve a bit of comfort and security in my old age. Is that so selfish?

Interesting discourse everyone.