Why is it MEN seem to get along better in this field than WOMEN??!!! - page 6
Hello this was brought up to me so now I'm sharing it with you all, I had a new R.N. nurse come to me in tears because another R.N. treated and talked to her very badly when she asked her basic... Read More
May 11, '04Occupation: I work in a retirement village as a carer but really all I do is drive people around in a golf buggy all day. I love it. Joined: May '04; Posts: 91; Likes: 4Had what I thought was a funny joke here. Was put in my place and as such deleted it.Last edit by Torachan on May 14, '04 : Reason: Upset to many people
May 11, '04Occupation: I work in a retirement village as a carer but really all I do is drive people around in a golf buggy all day. I love it. Joined: May '04; Posts: 91; Likes: 4wrote this when I was blocked from other threads. Apparently not possible but happened none-the lessLast edit by Torachan on May 14, '04 : Reason: Upset to many people
May 11, '04Occupation: RN Specialty: Step-down ICU ; From: NC, US ; Joined: Apr '04; Posts: 462; Likes: 70This thread has turned into a nightmare! Maybe I should not have used the word "catty" but like they say "if the shoe fits... Not ALL women are catty, but the majority are. I am not even a nurse yet but I am sure it will worse when I become one. I just feel like it makes a difference when most of your colleagues are female. My last job was at an elementary school where there were all females and two males on our staff. This job was interesting to say the least. There was so much drama and tension there for NO reason! It amazes me at what women can be so jealous of! Or what they tend to gossip about. These women were well over thirty, married with children. I am not saying that matters, but I've always assumed that these women would be more mature. Just as other posters have stated alot has to do with the TYPE of people you are dealing with. At my present job there is only one male, and we are like family. Acutally my boss and I are the best of friends! (she's female). I can be naive, and I didn't even notice the cattiness on my other job until one of the males pointed it out! And I STILL don't understand why these women who seemed to have it all would be jealous of me??? There is nothing about me to envy. Nothing. It was all so petty. I am relieved to be away from them. I don't like drama, and I try to stay away from it. I hope I didn't offend anyone, this is just my own personal experience, and OPINION. There is nothing to misconscrew here. I must say I am afraid this thread has turned into a catty debate!
May 11, '04Occupation: Operating Room Nurse Specialty: 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '03; Posts: 17,036; Likes: 1,006Quote from BigManOnCampusI think at least one lady on this bulletin board finally understands the way this world works. The rest of you ladies are clueless, as usual! I have lived my life trying to treat everyone equally so I have adopted the motto, "You can't hit a lady, but you can smack a B*tch!". It has gone a long way to shortening most arguments with women (or men) who don't know how to be polite!
That is WAY too much to assume (and you know what they say about assuming...) about people you don't even know.
(Not to mention calling some ladies clueless, simply because they don't agree with the way you view things, is extremely inflammatory)
May 11, '04Occupation: Operating Room Nurse Specialty: 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '03; Posts: 17,036; Likes: 1,006Quote from TorachanI thought it was because men are, as a general rule, better.
We are stronger
and most of us can pee standing up without getting our feet wet (or at least that is what I have heard)
Dang, ANOTHER bites the ignore dust!
(Where's the next one, they seem to come in threes????)
(BTW Mods, i'm voting for a lock down on this thread )
May 11, '04Joined: Jun '03; Posts: 528; Likes: 15Its certainly not fair to say that female nurses are more "catty". I'm a guy, and I've worked with some male nurses who were full of more drama than a drag queen on a bad hair day. True, I have worked with a few female nurses who are "catty", but most are very professional, level-headed, and pleasant to be around. I think it all depends on the level of professionalism and morale on the unit.
Both male and female nurses can get caught up in gossip and petty back-biting, and if we are seeeing these behaviors more in women its probably because the women are more visible by virtue of the fact that they still significantly outnumber men in most agencies.
May 11, '04Joined: Jul '00; Posts: 11,351; Likes: 387Quote from Tony35NYCI think this is the heart of the matter and can't be emphasized enough. When professionalism is expected and demanded, staff act accordingly.I think it all depends on the level of professionalism and morale on the unit.
May 11, '04Occupation: PMHNP From: US ; Joined: Dec '03; Posts: 2,918; Likes: 1,546Posted by Torachan: and most of us can pee standing up without getting our feet wet (or at least that is what I have heard)
May 11, '04Occupation: Operating Room Nurse Specialty: 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '03; Posts: 17,036; Likes: 1,006Quote from zenmanWomen can pee standing up also...with a little training...even through an open zipper with pants up! See...I know more about women than they themselves know. I've taught so many...sigh!
No one taught me to pee standing up, i did it myself . Considering that women can''t see too well to aim for the CC glorified Dixie cup and STILL hit that cup, THAT impresses me more .
May 11, '04Joined: May '04; Posts: 60; Likes: 2[QUOTE=susanna]
I really want to hear the guys here tell us honestly what they see and think we should change about ourselves to work better. I really think it would help. For me, all I ever see the men do around me when something's going sour amongst the women is roll their eyes amongst themselves or quietly crawl in to a corner. Lets hear some hard criticism from the guys...
Well.....since you insist. LOL
I really don't have any critisisms to offer, per se. Merely observations.
IMHO, many of the differences between the behaviors of men and women in the workplace originate from a combination of genetics and social expectations. For example, women are much more adept at expressing themselves, as are they likewise far more empathetic toward others. Sounds like characteristics ideally suited to a profession in nursing, doesn't it? But these same traits that make women ideally suited for this profession also can lead to the "catiness" that I have seen others post about.
Generally, men are far less in tune with their emotions, or anybody else's for that matter. Take for example when a man and a woman are arguing. All too often the argument gets nowhere because the woman is wanting to talk about how the problem makes her feel, while the man is getting frustrated because she's spending so much time talking about feelings instead of trying to work toward solving the problem. The problem here is that men and women look at things differently.
What's interestingly unique about the nursing field is that the very characteristics which make female nurses compasionate caregivers can in some cases work to their own detriment. When women have problems in the workplace, they still seem to get consumed in the emotional aspect of the problem. I'm not saying that's bad, but the business end of the health care industry is far more concerned with solving problems than they are with trying to figure out how problems make people feel. So although men may not be nearly as tuned into the emotional aspects, we are generally better at looking at solutions to problems. And if it turns out we can't fix it, kill it, eat it, or bed it, then we simply don't have much use for it. I'm not meaning to sound vulgar, and I'm not meaning to say these are conscious decisions. Rather, I'm suggesting it is genetic wiring, and it is one of the things that separates men from women in the workplace.
The other thing that confuses me is that, in nursing, women seem to compete more with their female counterparts than they do with their male counterparts. For whatever reason, women seem to be more intimidated by the women they work with, and this, I believe, leads to the cattiness. I don't know if it's because they are so amused by the men that they find it hard to be intimidated by them. Perhaps it's a matter of subconscious social expectation that they are somehow supposed to be subordinate to men. Or perhaps it has to do with a security issue of some sort. I haven't figured this part out yet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on it.
May 11, '04Occupation: I work in a retirement village as a carer but really all I do is drive people around in a golf buggy all day. I love it. Joined: May '04; Posts: 91; Likes: 4Upset to many peopleLast edit by Torachan on May 14, '04 : Reason: Upset to many people
Upset to many peopleLast edit by Torachan on May 14, '04 : Reason: Upset to many people
Quote from fergus51I think this is the heart of the matter and can't be emphasized enough. When professionalism is expected and demanded, staff act accordingly.
Exactly. Too bad that it's not always like that for every workplace, though.