Instead of polling whether one is pro-choice or pro-life, I am going to do something different. I will try to use a less emotionally charged and hopefully more accurate terms - For/Against-Legalizing-Abortion (this thought was triggered by another member on this board in the partial abortion poll).
Here is the twist. The poll will ask you your feeling on abortion at different stages of development before the the mother gives birth. We stick to the clinical description so we are going to have zygote, embryo, and fetus. Oh, in the fetus case, the poll also put a special case for partial abortion.
Just so everyone is on the same page, follow are the definition of zyote, embryo, and fetus for the purpose of this poll.
Zygote - From conception to about 2 weeks. Toward the end of the zygote stage, it is probably about a millimeter in diameter. This is the stage before it is completely embedded in the uterine wall.
Embryo - Around week 3 to week 8. It is when the zygote is completely embedded in the uterine wall.
Fetus - Around weeks 9 till just before birth.
You can pick more than one choice in the poll also.
One more thing, when you vote "For", for example, it means you are for legalization abortion at that stage of development under all or most circumstances. If you feel it should not be legalized in most case with one or two exceptions, then pick "Against". If you have exceptions, then state your exceptions in the thread.
What else, when you vote "For" whatever, it just means you are for legalizing it, it does not necessary means you are "pro" it in terms of taking an active role to encourage it. So you may be for legalizing fetus abortion but you might even take an active role to discourage it, but the final decision is up to the person. So this poll is a little bit different, it is asking for "legalizing" it or not, not whether you are "pro" or "anti" abortion.
The problem I have with pro-life and pro-choice, is that those who are pro-life assume the pro-choice people are "pro-abortion" - and I seriously doubt you'll find any pro-choice people who are "pro-abortion".
I wish abortion wasn't necessary - but for some women, it is the only choice they feel they have. That choice should be respected. I'd rather see a woman have an abortion, than find a fetus in a trash bin somewhere.
Pro-choice is NOT pro-abortion.
I worked in a ER for 8 years. I saw a lot of child abuse. Where are all those "Pro-lifers" when it comes time to adopt unwanted children, or "special needs" children of crack or meth mothers? All talk, little action.
I hope women always have the right to choose and I will vote that way, always.
Blessings
The problem I have is the remarks folks make that pro-llife people DON'T adopt unwanted children or special needs children of addicted moms.
We do. And there are many organization, religious organizations, that do just that.
How can someone be a nurse, support their Nightingale oath, and believe in abortion?
I believe that conception is the start of life.
I am pro-choice..however, my support is very limited.
To me, if a decision cannot be reached in 3 months gestation time, then the fetus, should have at minimum, a court's protection...this is regardless of the reason, rape, incest, health condition.
Just because a fetus cannot tell someone that it feels pain, I believe that it does, doesn't mean that it should be ignored...and I believe that this starts in week 8 to 12.
If the mother's life is in danger, then to me, the fetus needs to be treated no differently than if the mother wants the child. If a fetus cannot be delivered intact lady partslly, then that is what a c-section is for.
Physicians that try to rush the process....need to lose their license.
My father witnessed in medical school during his residency...he was delivering a pre-termer at 31 weeks gestation...the mother was stable, the physician wanted to go home.
He 'manipulated" the fetus so much he TWISTED THE BABY'S HEAD OFF. :angryfire
This was in the days where father's were in the waiting room and nurses kept their mouth's shut. Physician handed the BS excuse that baby was already deceased, etc...again, back in the day when people would buy anything.
How can someone be a nurse, support their Nightingale oath, and believe in abortion?
I believe in a lot of things, I believe abortion happens, and I believe women should have a choice. I believe women leave unwanted newborns in trash bins - yep, that's a better choice than abortion (sarcasm). After working in an ER for 8 years, I believe in 11 year old girls pregnant by their abusive fathers - yep - I guess they should be made to bear this "life" within them - because we all know 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 etc... year old are well capable of supporting themselves and an infant or two!
Please, get real. I have no problem with your being "pro-life" - but guess what, I am pro-life too - I just choose to live in the real world, and believe in CHOICE.
How can someone be a nurse, support their Nightingale oath, and believe in abortion?
Well I never swore any oath and if I did I'd still believe in women's right to choose. Back in Nightingales' day so many women died from backyard abortions and from having too may children. Of course women from her background weren't aware or simply didn't want to acknowledge this and remained ignorant. I'd rather have abortions available than have to look after women dying of sepsis anyday. No one has the right to tell any person what they can and can't do with their own body.
Specializes in UR/PA, Hematology/Oncology, Med Surg, Psych.
Sometimes the whole abortion debate in this country seems so illogical. For some reason, people are compelled to place themselves and others into neat little groups; pro-choice vs. pro-life. Most people I have met and discussed this issue with do not fall into black/white groups, but are somewhere in the middle with the shades of gray. The extreme rhetoric on both sides of the issue muddy the waters.
Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.
Since it is 4 1/2 years old, the poll itself is not really able to altered or changed in composition or responses, as it's likely the OP has not posted to this site in nearly 10 months.
I'm not completely against abortion. However, I don't agree with the fact that a lot of times the father doesn't have a choice even tho he helped create it. I'm talking about the fathers that are perfectly capable of bringing a child up on their own.
Every intellegent argument about why abortion should be legal doesn't come close to the real reason why MOST abortions happen. (And let's be real here ladies since most likely were all women) Picture this, you are a female and not married. You get pregnant, oh crap I don't want a baby now, and with him-no way! Can't believe I'm pregnant, gotta make this go away somehow. And a lot of cases the guy says "heck ya let's do it, I'll give you the money." Females are using it as birth control. How many cases are there really that pertain to incest or saving the life of the mother-in this day of modern medcine. These cases are a small percentage, but for the arguement you would think that every female that walks into Planned Parenthood was either raped by her dad or dying from pregnancy.
Yes I'm sure I'll get slammed for this one, but I've got to be real.
I, for one, was SEVERELY castigated for airing my opinion in nursing school. I found the lab to be closed to me and my advisor suddenly unavailable. My most vehement fundamentalist-christian instructor failed me in a performance exam over a technichality after this. All in a state-funded school. I now keep my opinions somewhat more closely guarded. Perhaps others have found this situation, too.
I know Im about to upset some people and Im sorry! If one of my daughters were raped and got pregnant due to the rape--yes I would want her to abort. If one of my daughters were going to die if she had the baby-- again yes I would want her to abort. But if my daughter made the decision to have unprotected sex then she should either raise the baby or give it up for adoption to a loving family who can not have children of there own. Unfortunately too many young women think the abortion clinic is like Dominos Pizza---Buy 10 get your 11th free. Again Im sorry to upset anyone!
Spidey's mom, ADN, BSN, RN
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The problem I have is the remarks folks make that pro-llife people DON'T adopt unwanted children or special needs children of addicted moms.
We do. And there are many organization, religious organizations, that do just that.
steph