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Doing prereq for nursing school right now. Second career after close to 2 decades of telcom.

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  1. You might want to scan the following classics (a good library should have it) and maybe you'll get some good ideas: The Practical Art of Suicide Assessment: A Guide for Mental Health Professionals and Substance Abuse Counselers by Shawn Christopher Shea. Psychiatric INterviewing: The Art of Understanding: A Practical Guide for psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, social workers, nurses, and other mental health professionals by Shawn Christopher Shea (one of the sections deals with suicides).
  2. I am just curious, with all the Britney Spear thing going on... I am just wondering if there are any HIPPA violation? I thought when a pt is in a psych unit, it is suppose to be confidential. I mean how in the world are we getting all these news about Britney when she is in a psych unit that is suppose to keep confidentiality?
  3. danu3

    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    Good point. Didn't thing about that one. About our life expectancy is getting longer and longer... at least in the developed countries.
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    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/ttresponse.html Ok, here is a response from some of the critiques of the JAMA article. If anyone know of a response to that response, post. On another note, the editor of JAMA who published the article was fired. Look at http://www.csicop.org/articles/19990121-jama/
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    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    Thanks to Zenman, I've found the critique of the AMA article by the skeptic society. For your convience, here it is: http://www.rationalmagic.com/RMS/rms-jamacrit.html http://www.rationalmagic.com/RMS/rms-edit.html Probably should read this one also as it gives more context. The skeptic society is not exactly pro-TT, they do have a few articles that are anti-TT and here they are: http://www.rationalmagic.com/RMS/rms-tt1.htm They are fairly harsh about TT, calling is psuedo-science. So if you don't like these kind of labeling, skip this article. http://www.rationalmagic.com/RMS/rms-jama.htm Short disclaimer from the skeptic society
  6. danu3

    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    What!!!!!! You are working for me! I ain't paying you a dime! :) Thanks for the ref.
  7. danu3

    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    I think it is relatively new. If your professor is a Wholistic nurse, you might get extra point :). The energy concept in the context of the alter energy diagnosis is an old concept repackaged. The concept has different names depending on different cultures like "ki", "chi", ... etc. It is an emotional subject as you can see. A somewhat neutral description of it are: http://nccam.nih.gov/health/backgrounds/energymed.htm Do a search on "therapeutic touch" on the web page. If you scan through this thread, there are links to both sides (try the earlier posts toward the beginning of this thread).
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    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    Have no idea. But from the roots of thw word, it might mean how the relationship between the biochemistry of our brain and our psychology affect our immune system. Just a guess. Sort of this "mind-body" thing and how it affects our immune system. There is an Eatern approach to it but you can approach it without an Eastern philosophy also.
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    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    If alll the stuff we talked about in this thread turned out to be 100% rubbish... well... those of us who think we are enlightened will eat humble pie and you just save yourself tons of time and energy. I don't think your involvement in this thread is a waste of time. Actually I don't any of us who are involve in this thread is a waste of time regardless of what positions we take. The reason is that we probably will come into contact with TT and other "postmodern" nursing practices directly eventually if we have not already. When we make contact, at least we have a head start in terms of the different positions. I think nurses on both side of this issue all want to treat our patiens the way you said it.
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    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    Some probably will do lots of harm and some will do lots of good. Let's hope it washes out even or maybe even a bit toward the positive.
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    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    to save me some time, can you give me the actual reference that jama admits that this particular study is a mistake? another observation, what about the tt practioners who agreed to participate in this studies? they need some retraiing then? i mean if they understand krieger's tt (or are they from some other school of tt?), should they not agree to participate in the first place? also again so save me time, what are the jama's peer review process and how do they violate it? a few good examples will do. i personally find the article informative, maybe you should finish the whole thing. what about infectious diseases? true, we have superbug and stuff like that now. but if we compare the effectiveness of western medicine to other medical modality, which one save the most lives? as for chronic conditions, which one? i can think of serious mental illness like schizophrenia, that every medical modality failed if you look at it objectively. western medicine at least for many people with schizophrenia enable them to be stable enough that we can bring in the psyco-social part of treatment to enable them to have a good life again. what about diabeties? western medicine fail miserably in this? well, if the "postmodern" nursing takes charge, we won't me part of western medicine. how about other healt care system? how many people do they kill? we probably won't be able to tell because they don't have an obsession like western medicine in documenting everything under the sun, especially one's own failure. let's see, if i remember in school when one take the physics series, you do learn about newtonian physics (even now). quantum physics you learn at the last quarter or so. newtonian physics even now has its application, it is not obsolete. as for the evergy stuff, what about light? current understanding (if i am correct), light can be understood as wave (energy) or as particle. which model of understanding depends on the situation, sometimes one model seemed to be better than the other. about the philosophy went out of vogue... that is interesting... so we are to adopt the philosophy of the month? the thing is does anyone really understand the molecular mechanisms that truly provide for life? if i take the view you are suggesting, then i would reject western medicine, i would reject chinese medicine, i would reject tt right off the bat, i would reject all ancient healing modality as none of them understand the molecular mechanisms that truly provide for life. i drive a car but i do not really understand how it works. the key here is that i know how to operate a car. the key here is that a physicians know how to use a cell phone. the key here is that a trained person knows how to interpret a mammogram. i am not sure about the "every" part of the statement. it is true that many cultures all over has it. for example, the judeo-christian culture don't have this. how about the ancient egytian culture, i don't think they have it (i may be wrong). how about the ancient greek culture, do they have it? maybe they have a finer tuned senses. or maybe they were told by a powerful spiritual beings (this is another view). let's see, there are different explanations of this (assuming it is true) depending on one's world's view. one possible explanation of this is that of a worldview that acknowledge there are different dimensions of reality. in this case, there is a spiritual dimensions where there are powerful spiritual beings (shamanism, christianity, judaism, isalm...). vodoo involve directly or indirectly invoking a powerfull spiritual beings to do the persons bidding - nothing to do with "energy" as we are talking about in this thread. since the health center test turned up negative, it is possible for the beings to muck with the tests to make it turned up negative (corrected messed up word). in shamanic literature, things like the ability to mess up our modern equipment is not unheard off. i personally have heard personal stories like this. like one case one of my teacher went to a ritual in malaysia and he took some pictures (he knows he is not suppose to) and the shaman there pointed at his camera. when he developed his films, only and only those pictures he took were wiped out, all other pictures were ok. the class i am taking now, the prof mentioned one guest speaker she does not bring to class anymore because the guest speaker was a bit harsh with the class (like she wiped out the recording of the one of the students whom she feel bugged). i also hear stories about how in the villages of china where the shaman kicked out all the christians during one of their rituals because the by the mere presense of the christians, they are interfereing with them. now if you laugh at the christian story i just mentioned, check your attitude. the next question is actually - what is energy compose of? another observation, western medicine is very very young comparing to other medical systems of the world which many are thousands of years old. how many people died as a results of these medical systems? it is true many people died under western medicine, but how many people did it also save?
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    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    Where do you work? What unit? I think I will try to apply where you work and at your unit. :)
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    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    Here is another thought. With herbs and stuff, the West has a tendency to figure out what is the active ingredient and turn it into a pill. Advantage is that it is convient (e.g. Chinese herbal medicine takes forever to cook quite often and it usually stink up the whole house). Disadvantage is cost and it is often way more potent than what is in the herb and so in some cases, it can be easier to OD. With meditation, which if you trace its history, they do have a religious route - whether it is Eastern meditation or Western meditation. Well, as usual, Western approach is to sort of figure out the "active" ingredients and repackaging it (by taking out all the religious stuff). For examples, you have the "Freeze Frame" techniqe and the Herbert Benson's "demystifying" meditation techniques. TT may be a form of the Western way of doing energy work without the religious/philosophical overtone. Or maybe someone later will research TT and figure out what is the "active" ingredient(s) and repackage it into a form that is totally unrecognizable from the original TT. There are studies that uses "sham" TT. But I don't think we have studies that uses the following "sham" TT - do as much as everything the alter energy nursing diagnosis require to do (e.g. establish therapeutic relations and so on) and instead of using hands to feel the energy of the patient, use a little geiger counter looking device and tell the patient this device is detecting potential alter energy in him/her. Then proceed to use a different geiger counter device to "balance" it. This has to be done by a non-TT nurse, preferably someone who is on the "fence" so to speak with regard to TT. Be interesting to see if it has any difference.
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    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    Probably more accurate to say one is uninform in faith healing. Also probably should watch out for binary or black/white thinking that we tends to get into. In reality, one could be totally uninform about faith healing, somewhat inform, inform, expert, and guru (or whatever labels one cares to use on a spectrum). How inform are we before we are allow to make a judgement of not accepting it without being accuse of being close minded or uninform? On a more practical note, it is impossible to be "informed" on all the different healing modelities (from totally ineffective to being very effective). We all have limited amount time and energy and we have to be selective in what we do learn and be inform about (and the depth of it). Take an example, what if someone come up to you and show you a pill right now that is claimed to cure ALL cancer? Now, given my knowlege of cancer treatment, do I just rejected right away without knowing anything about it. Or do I spend time trying figure out what is in the pill and try to find out what kind of studies have been done on the pill? If I choose the first option, I can be accuse of being close minded and uninform, but there is a high chance that I am right - the pill is no good and I have decided not to waste my limited time and energy on this. Now I probably will spend more time on it if a number of my patients believe this pill and started to stop their cancer treatments because now I need to explain to my patient what is known about this pill. I think the way the current set up of determining whether a biological healing/curing modality works or not is ok (it can be improved) in that one has to go through the scientific evidence base process in order to be accepted in the mainstream practice. Notice I am only focusing at the biological level and not other levels like the spiritual level or psycho-social level. From a very practical point of view again, there are zillion of healing/curing modalities and as a nurse, we use what has been proven through high quality evidence base researches. For those modalities that has not been proven, one's safest position is "I don't know" and it is not going to have priority over what is known to be effective. Another practical problem is how does one interact with people who grew up and believe another healing/curing modelity so that mainstream medicine and nursing can somehow work together without requiring major changes to the patient's worldview (which is not possible to do given the amount of time most nurses have; and even if it is possible, is it ethical)?
  15. danu3

    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    :rotfl::rotfl:
  16. danu3

    Nursing diagnosis "altered energy field"

    Good questions.
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