New grad Filipino nurse wanting to work in Australia/New Zealand

[rnrn07]

Hi everyone, please help me.

I graduated last march 2007 here in the Philippines and I have my license here already.

Because of oversupply of nurses here, it's too difficult to find a job.

That's why I'm looking forward to working in Australia or New Zealand.

However, I'm confused. Esp about Australia.

I already have my bachelors degree here.

When I go there in Aus to work as RN, must I take a diploma in nursing first? can I work while studying?

After obtaining my diploma there, am I already a registered nurse?

Thank you!

[cioman94]

Hi everyone. I'd like to share that I spoke with an acquaintance of mine who is in Australia right now. He is with a group of nurses who finished their bp. (don't remember where they took it) He said that those that applied in hospitals for work, that had no paid working experience are having a hard time getting a job. That they can't even get an interview. My friend, with 2 years clinical took a job in aged care. He didn't mention if he applied in hospitals or why he wasn't accepted if he did.

This is not to dishearten, only to prepare most on what's there. Good luck!:)

Thank you Doza... This is a reality check for all of us still applying for work in Aus..\

(notice, how "diplomatic" Doza wrote the post, while the topic is gloomy, the language is still mild, thanks again Doza, i guess i should also start studying aged care nursing)..

[cioman94]

if you're a second courser, do you still submit your transcript from your the first university you graduated from? because my nursing transcript includes all my subjects from my previous school.

thanks for the help!

1) When i submitted mine, my TOR included and showed the subjects of my 1st course and my nursing course.. My TOR would clearly show what 1st course i earned and the date i earned it, also it showed clearly my nursing course degree and the date i earned it... kumbaga, very clear, not confusing..

2) HOwever, ive seen some TOR like that one in Brokenshire College (Davao City) whereby TOR only showed the nursing subjects lectured/earned in their own school, but they just place a note in the TOR that the person has a 1st course/degree in a certain school..

My opinion (this is just an opinion, others may correct me): the crucial thing is that your TOR would clearly show that your nursing degree/course was completed in at least 3 years (unlike in some, it's 2 years lang)..

hope this helps..

[javRN]

"As my parting post, let me share to you something which others might be aware already. Remember the needed qualifications required by bp providers and/or employers...? They can be bent. *wink*. There’s a legal back door for them. So if you think you’re not qualified, I encourage you to think again. The requirements here in aus are flexible. I know a lot of people who are now aus nurses. And some of them bent the rules to join the game. And I’m so happy and proud of them. And soon I’ll be bending these rules too. As a fresh graduate nurse with zero experience. "

Ohhh Terd...jay, hheeellloooooo, clever little bunny, you see overhere, we already know this goes on, has done for years!!!....doh, let us "éxperienced nurses'' give you a big hug and take your hand, new graduate with zero experience, and show you how its sposed to be dun.

Mind you might just catch you out though and doh, negligence, nil registratiionn then...and what else will you 'bend the rules with'"?

ps sorry to interrupt, couldn't let that one go....

Hi ceridwyn,

Please don't be angry with terdjay. It is just a matter of semantics and Doza was right that his post might be misunderstood. "Bending the rules" in this context does not mean that we Filipinos would do all in our power and cunning to illegally practise nursing in Australia by misleading the board into believing that we are qualified even if we are unqualified.

By no means we would advocate the entry of any person to the nursing profession if the person does not meet the minimum standards that would at least guarantee safe and competent practise. May the person be Filipino, Indian, Australian or European. We respect the boards; the boards are precisely created in the first place to protect the public, and by all means we would comply with the minimum requirements, whether it be in terms of English language requirements, education and training, criminal checks, CPD, and recency of practise, etc.. The "rules" terdjay was referring to primarily is not about the rules of the board but the rules of bridging course providers and/or employers specifically in terms of post graduate experience.

Terdjay was merely encouraging other Filipinos who are reluctant, weary,and wary in getting registration in Australia because of the uncertainty in finding employment afterwards because the "general rule" now is that Australia will most likely hire experienced nurses. There are exceptions to this rule, hence the phrase "bending the rules." The general rule also for most Bridging course providers is that they accept or prefer experienced nurses, but again there are exceptions.

Her post was meant to encourage others not to do something illegal like passing fraudulent papers or misrepresenting facts in order to gain registration. He is encouraging other aspiring non-experienced nurses to pursue their dream of working in Australia because it is not that impossible to find work afterwards. Heck, there are even hospitals here in the regional areas of Queensland that offer sign on bonuses of 2k, just to attract newly registered nurses to join their graduate program.

I hope that you will not get the impression that we Filipinos are desperate and incompetent that we do all we can just to work in Aus. It would not be fair to us who were granted licenses based on our merit. I knew that the requirements for IELTS is 7 across all bands, and knowing that English is not my mother tongue and I don't use it as an everyday language, I had to study English doubly hard and as a result i got 9's in all bands except in writing where I got an 8.5. And I am sure that not all native English speaking nurses can get scores like that if required to take the IELTS.

I am now working in aged care. The condition of which is exactly the condition of the aged care facility you used to work in, with the ENs and PCWs whose attitudes are exactly the same. You had to get out of that hellhole. But here I am loving it and I get things done on time. My DONACS loves me, my residents love me, and the EN and PCWs are now more cooperative. and that is because of the competence and right attitude that I have demonstrated. So there is a place for Filipinos like me. And to tell you the truth, I never took short cuts.

In a way I also bent the rules. I was told that I will not succeed in becoming a nurse in australia, Nursing being my third course. Second coursers even have been discriminated. That was the rule. So I "bent the rule."

If I personally know any nurse who broke the rules of the Board, I would not hesitate to report it. May the nurse be Filipino, Aboriginal, Australian, African or whatever. Because it would be my duty to protect my profession that I have shed tears, blood and sweat to get into. And it would also be my duty to protect the public at large.

So again, it is just a matter of semantics. Thanks

javRN

[cioman94]

goodness gracious javRN, im referring to your ielts, i felt invincible already when i got 8 - 8 - 7.5 - 7.5 in my ielts, but you got 9's... i feel you bro, i feel how good you are.. anyway, thanks for your post above..

[mooh mooh]

@javRN: So you are a quadruple niner. Wow! I only know 2 quad niners from the Phils, and they indeed have an excellent command of the English language.

Nice to know from you!

[Lithotomy]

And i thinking I already did Very awesome in IELTS... huhu...

Kudos to JavRN

[ceridwyn]

JAVRN - I appreciate your post and also what an asset you are to the nursing profession here. But with all due respects, I do not buy it. If Terd..jay has a score over 7 in IELTS in english, then we are talking the same language.

so sorrry I really won't interrupt this thread again, seeya

[cioman94]

hope so..

[dreaminOz]

Stupid re-post. My fault.

Anyways. Quick clarifications about the Overseas Applicant Form from AHPRA.

a.) When filling this form up, must we already have an employer interested in us? There is a box that asks for "principal place of practice/employment in AU".

b.) "Qualitifications/Examinations/Assessments" Portion: Is this referring to the schools that you have attended or the PRC/Nursing BON?

c.) Indemnity Insurance?

I'm sorry for the naive questions. Just making sure I fully understand what they're asking.

I just took the NLE this July. (God help me). And will basically be researching about all this for the next two months. My brother is a citizen in AU, and I am the youngest in the family. If anyone has any suggestions or tips on what I can do, please do help me out.

Best wishes to all! Cheers!

Hi aimz,

Here are my thoughts on your questions:

a. If you are not currently employed in Australia then place N/A. Further in the form, it would ask if you'd prefer to use your Oz hospital/facility's address for future correspondence so better place N/A if you are not employed yet in Oz. Use your brother's residence address as correspondence, in this way you'd be able to receive letter/s from NMBA sooner.

b. I belive this refers to

qualifications, examinations,assessments related to nursing such as your BSN diploma, board certificate, pitch in your board ratings (specially if impressive), license, post grad educ, trainings and the like as long as they are relevant to nursing.

c. About the indemnity insurance, it is an IF question in the form. But yes it is referring to indemnity which has been explained by cioman. You'd need to read on the exceptions enumerated by the board to shed more light on the matter.

Well, i hope this helps and pray that you will pass the board! Cheers ü

P.S. Anyone,please, correct me if i'm wrong. Thanks.

[drednag]

Hey, guys..what happens to those who have been granted eligibility letters by the nursing council but have yet to take the bridging program?

I would really appreciate your inputs on this matter. Thanks in advance.

Stay kewl, guys! :rckn::rckn::rckn:

[Doza]

i guess i should also start studying aged care nursing)..

You should check out the Aged Care in Nurse TV. you can see it in you tube:)

Thanks for the reply to my query!:bowingpur

[javRN]

@aimz7320, i agree with dreaminOz for letter a.). my thoughts on letter b)- you write your educational qualifications/exams/assessment in nursing. this refers to item 11 in the application form. start with 11.1 title of qualification: RN. name of institution: BON-PRC Rep of Phils(but spell it out), completion date: write the date of last day of exam. length of program: write( examination). then proceed to 11.2 title of quali: BSN(spell out) etc, length of program: 4 years. I think thats all. trainings, certs, diplomas, TORs you will attach as certified documents. for letter c.) i agree with dreaminOZ and you check yes. It is just a commitment that you will get PI when you commence work. meaning you don't work with no PI. but you dont have to buy insurance now.

just my thoughts. if it was me, that's hw i would do it. but im not really sure if im right.

yeah, i hope you pass with flying colors!