New grad Filipino nurse wanting to work in Australia/New Zealand

[rnrn07]

Hi everyone, please help me.

I graduated last march 2007 here in the Philippines and I have my license here already.

Because of oversupply of nurses here, it's too difficult to find a job.

That's why I'm looking forward to working in Australia or New Zealand.

However, I'm confused. Esp about Australia.

I already have my bachelors degree here.

When I go there in Aus to work as RN, must I take a diploma in nursing first? can I work while studying?

After obtaining my diploma there, am I already a registered nurse?

Thank you!

[javRN]

Go check the comments. There's something deeper with the news and read between the lines. Complement it with blogs and tweets. Of course the news itself is only one very small part of the story.

As I've said what's impt here is that wa would be joining ahpra but later bec of some issues.

Same with you won't openly read in news that Perth don't need nurses at the moment even though there are job advertisements and open recruitment pool. You get these facts by complementary infos and reading between lines. Do you openly read news too that most public hospitals in aus are overstaffed and private hospitals prefer overseas nurses? That some boards before like nbv prioritize Indians? The news are only the key to unlock something hidden if you look hard enough.

These are facts not openly known by all. Are australians aware with the fact that Phil justice system is slow? Do they read that openly or between lines? Same banana

What? By checking the comments, digging deeper, reading between the lines, and complementing my reading with blogs and tweets, I should come to the intelligent conclusion that WA is rejecting the NRAS and that the Federal Government is pressuring WA to join the NRAS by witholding the WA Health Funds and that this 'pressure' will ultimately make WA give in and then join the NRAS? Because the news itself is only one very small part of the story?

Oh come on! Seriously?

And whoever said about relying solely on the news for information? My 6-year old son does not even believe everything he reads on the papers. To get information from all sources is important and in fact desirable;but to distort some facts to forward one's own opinion and make it appear as fact is a totally different thing. I really didn't want comment on this, but I just want to point out that this forum while full of information, is also a source of misinformation.

I don't understand why you seem to be angry when I asked needlefoxRN to keep on posting because his/her posts make this thread nice and beautiful. Well that is just my opinion and I guess I am entitled to it just as much as you are entitled to say that the people who correct each other are the ones who make this forum beautiful and interesting. I apoligise if i made you angry, no offense was intended. This is a democracy at work, checks and balances as you have said. A lot of forumers here like to read your posts because they sound authoritative, factual, confident, and IMO they seem intelligent. Your posts have lots of correcting others, so it follows in your opinion you make this thread beautiful and interesting. I know a lot of people who graduated from " the premiere university in Pinas" (though that is entirely their opinion) who likes to correct others but gets mad when they are corrected upon.

If you didn't get angry then, well and good. I could've been wrong in interpreting your response to my post to needlefoxRN.

Thank you for your responses and authoritative advices to me. You said:

1. Why overreact in the first place. Who is overreacting?

2. Chillax I'm chill. Was I angry ?

3. go research and post your known infos here so other forumers can post their comments, questions, suggestions, corrections, opinions and whatever they like hmm. very authoritative and imperative. I sometimes research, I sometimes don't, generally depends on the mood; that's why i like needlefoxRN's posts. Thank you very much, I will post what I like and when. But most probably this will be my last post on this thread because I am already feeling the want to be naughty.

4.Btw, wa being full of politics, slow, outback thinking and very bureaucratic is not an opinion. It's a fact. Some people have difficulty discriminating fact from opinion. Q.E.D.

5.you people from other states and countries don't care anyway. So why bother. Not in good taste. IMHO.

6.Good luck to everyone dreaming to be an aus nurse. I agree three times over.

7.I dare everyone to openly find these infos in news. Can't fathom the relevance. Seriously.

Here are ten of the seemingly factual, authoritative, information posted previously in this thread not necessarily posted by terdjay:

1. BP is considered CPE.

2. NMBA is scrapping the CAS because it is not as effective as BP.

3. Curtin is premiere university in WA.

4. WA will join AHPRA soon because it is under pressure.

5. All states and territories were already given their money for health from the national government. It will not give WA its share unless it approves the national board.

6. RPH is the premiere hospital of WA

7. Bp is the best program for overseas nurses and they found out that CAS is not so effective and fresh graduates who had done bp are as competent as the experienced nurses.

8.The natl reg before requires a 6 mos experience but bec of Vic recommendation they scrapped it

9 The natl reg is now requiring 3 mos experience only which can be met through doing bp which is also considered a CPE

10. The only way to waive the Bp is by graduating from New Zealand and select European countries.

The above statements are not totally true. Some are utterly false. Some are half truths. I have found citations that would support me in this regard. And yes Virginia, I didn't rely on the news for these info. I could go on and on.... but I won't because I no longer care....

To the forumers who have helped me, thank you very much. If I won't hear again from needlefoxRN in this thread, then this is my last post too. Goodluck to all. I will continue to answer PMs though, like I always did with a lot of you guys.

Ciao,

javRN

Pildi ang maglagot.---- Old Visayan Proverb

The fewer the facts, the stronger the opinion.---- Arnold Glasow

Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts.--- Bernard M. Baruch

Unless you want to f@#$ me, what do you care what I look like?---- Eminem

[terdjay]

All my post are not mine. They're product of intensive research from multiple sources over a long period of time. I just post them here.

The ten statements are true. And i posted them all. I can give you all my credible references for these. But I need time to look for them bec some are 4 year old infos. I'm researching about aus since a nursing student and even

before I had my first clinical duty.

Example: the rph is the leading hosp in wa. Generally yes. Bec they can cater to ALL cases. This statement was also mentioned by a wa politician and a hosp admin in a news article when it was proposed to be closed. Sir charles although also among the leading is not even close to rph achievements. When I post that I'm now a secondary source. And everyone on this thread can know about rph being a leading hosp in wa. And the list go on and on.

And all what I've posted I can defend. I don't rely on single source. I needed more to verify bec it's lethal to lie here. This thread serves as a lifeblood for some.

And all what I shared here came from credible sources so I can defend them to the ends of the earth. In case some are half truth, that only means that more knowledge is needed and other forumers here can correct it and add addtl infos. Research results and conclusions should begin with strong foundation in the first place.

I'm referring to needlefox why he won't post anymore just bec he was confronted. And you think it was you. My, someone's being sensitive.

Ive realized that a lot of people here are sensitive and you can find a lot here in this thread. Even in its early pages.

There are people who don't like truth bec it hurts. And it's human nature to deny it.

I'm just new to this website and most I read here I already know years ago. And the questions i ask are those I can't find and not currenty available but even though there's a way of knowing I just ask it here coz I needed the info asap. And when a forumer answers it, I verify it with my own research.

I've also realized that it seems I don't need this website in the first place bec I already know beforehand most of the infos I want and need. I just love helping. And I'll just continue to make my own research and keep it to myself bec when they landed on deaf, choosy or sensitive ears, the results are not what I intended to be.

So it's up to you people now to discover things for yourself once you're here.

Javrn is impt in this thread so for the best of everyone and needlefox I'll just be the one to go. Someone needs to compromise and I won't lose anything anyway. I have too much already. My cup is overflowing.

Sorry for some of my posts that aren't clear and aren't intended for particular forumers. And sorry for all the troubles.

Good luck on your dreams everyone.

Thanks also to Ryan who I love in this thread.

Love and peace,

CSJD

Oh and honestly i love being corrected especially when the topic gets hot. I love challenges. And I'm always cool. And yes I came from one of the premiere unis but I don't give a damn on my uni. In fact I'm indifferent to it. Weird but true.

And by the way, about wa being pressured to join ahpra, I know about that for several months now. That's old news to me. And I'm anticipitating that wa won't be joining ahpra by July. But i don't know about wa joining in oct. I thought it was on nov before elections. And telling you this before will send you all off your seats.

Hugs and kisses

[Silverdragon102, BSN]

Closing this for a cooling off period, this is a shame because the thread is such an informative thread. I will open this up again in a few hours

[Silverdragon102, BSN]

Reopening this thread, can we please try to keep things on an even keel and share information.

[terdjay]

Hello everyone. I just want to share some of my pie and in no way is this post intended to offend anyone.

The health reform agreement HRA is different with the nursing registration and accreditation scheme NRAS. Of course they are different. But being different only in color but still part of a spectrum. The link I provided hopefully leads to some part of the spectrum not the color (my mistake. Can’t remember the link for the ‘before the ahpra events’ ). So what’s the relationship of the HRA with the NRAS? Everything. Other colors of the spectrum include the ETS, FBSt., CC, SPT, HOB, etc etc. And if you know the spectrum, you’ll know the colors but I’ll no longer discuss these in details bec the infos I know might only be opinions/rumours/half truths only not facts. To all the readers, sorry for being confused or going berserk to me for the links Jav provided and I won’t blame you if you found some of my posts extremely irrelevant. You knowing thoroughly a piece of a puzzle doesn’t guarantee you would know the picture the puzzle produces.

WA just wasn't able to pass the enabling legislation to make the NRAS in effect and operational as of July 1, 2010 unlike the other states and territories. Yes this is correct. But where’s the reason? Funny it didn’t mention. And I was wondering too. The issues for these were mentioned way way back even before even before AHPRA. But these might be opinions too. Sorry for the funds being withheld info. It belonged to the other color and I mistakenly mixed it up.

Your posts have lots of correcting others, so it follows in your opinion you make this thread beautiful and interesting. I can assure everyone that I making this thread beautiful and interesting never crossed my mind and I was blown off when I read this. My only purpose of correcting others is that I’m worried that the hundreds of readers and followers of this thread will be misinformed. I find this thread to be beautiful because although not 100% factual, at least most of the facts are at the higher end of the on the scale. I find a couple of misinformation too. In addition, I find this thread interesting bec members here help, correct, and complement each other creating a system of check and balance. But when too much democracy is at work, it sometimes goes off balance which happened so many times already which you’ll know if you’ve been an avid follower of this thread. It cuts to be judged as such and my good will all went to vanity. But I don’t care anymore. Still I forgive.

They sound authoritative, factual, confident, and IMO they seem intelligent.

My posts were never meant to be authoritative. I’m a member of equal playing field with you guys. I have no right to assert any authority. If at times, I may seem to challenge your posts, those were only intended to maintain the credibility of this thread which I think is at 80% (my opinion only). You being able to defend your posts only mean that there’s credibility in it. My posts being factual contain some degree of error and I’m perfectly aware of that. Most of my infos anyway are years old already. With regards to its confidence, to some extent maybe yes bec they are backed by a long list of reference some I already lost and some buried deep down in the web or news articles. But my posts as intelligent, in no way do I judge it as such. My purpose is only to inform. Not to impress.

This is a democracy at work, checks and balances as you have said. I apolgise if i made you angry, no offense was intended. Yes everyone has their share of the pie.There maybe some of my posts that seem aggressive. But they were never intended as such. They only appear to be depending how you took it but no harm was intended for such. As with challenging others posts, I often do that. Like I’ve said, it’s only for credibility’s sake. The more issues and infos brought up, the better and we’ll all be winners.

The above statements are not totally true. Some are utterly false. Some are half truths. I have found citations that would support me in this regard. So pls do us the favour now of correcting all of these infos for the benefit of everyone. May I respectfully ask: why in all means and opportunities didn’t you correct them before? Instead of criticising this thread, I suggest you correct them asap so that we can all benefit (No offense intended). And do pls include also those on your long lists as you’ve mentioned (I could go on and on.... but I won't....).

If I won't hear again from needlefoxRN in this thread, then this is my last post too. This is out of our hands. But there might be readers who are interested regarding this decision.

Some people have difficulty discriminating fact from opinion. Yes this is true and blessed are the rest of the people having no difficulty as such. But let me also share that facts can become opinions and opinions can become facts. This is very evident in our long years of civilization. Our whole existence is somehow governed by this. . I need not say more.

The premiere university in Pinas" (though that is entirely their opinion). There are genuine premiere unis and feeling premiere unis. The employers and general public are the ones who verify this not the graduates and its students. Generally, these genuine premiere uni graduates usually end up at higher office and scale. And I find that evident worldwide. Even in Australia. I’ve been to many countries and many parts of Australia. And this is my common observation. For the people who were given the opportunities besides these unis, it’s human nature to rationalize as a personality defence mechanism. This is my opinion and mine only. Don’t let it affect you. But let me tell you something important I learned and was stressed to us by my alma mater: It is aptitude not attitude that will bring one to altitude. By ratio and proportion and by all things being equal, in the end, I believe we all have equal chances for success.

If you didn't get angry then, well and good. I could've been wrong in interpreting your respone... Thank you for being politically polite. Greatly appreciate that. And as an equalizer I say the same. If you didn't get angry with this post then, well and good. I could've been also wrong in interpreting your posts... God bless you JavRN for your kindness. May you continue to inspire many more people.

Actually, I don’t research hard. I research smart and my time is not mostly devoted to research as some of you might wonder. I only spend enough time for research when given the opportunity.

Thank you everyone for giving me the opportunity to help you in some way. And I apologize sincerely for all the troubles I cost. I’m sure in one way or another I was able to help a few of you. It’s my dream that all of you will be able to have the opportunity to work in this great country which is now me and my family’s second home.

As my parting post, let me share to you something which others might be aware already. Remember the needed qualifications required by bp providers and/or employers...? They can be bent. *wink*. There’s a legal back door for them. So if you think you’re not qualified, I encourage you to think again. The requirements here in aus are flexible. I know a lot of people who are now aus nurses. And some of them bent the rules to join the game. And I’m so happy and proud of them. And soon I’ll be bending these rules too. As a fresh graduate nurse with zero experience.

Thank you very much and God bless us all. Mabuhay!

Terdjay

199th post

[NurseNathalie]

hi nursenathalie:)

as i understand the site, we have to pass our requirements on the address listed on the bottom of the form. either by mail in the main office or through their satellites offices per state.

nursenathalie,

i think it should be the same process as how you did to the state you applied before. you have to fill up the application form and submit it to the national board.

here is the link for the forms: http://www.ahpra.gov.au/health-professions/nursing-and-midwifery/forms.aspx

thank you so much guys!!!

i'll take a look at the forms just like you said.

god bless us all!

[RN oz1]

Got 2 days off, just want to share to get the ball rolling.

Please always keep in mind we are "NURSES"

Application-general-registration--overseas-applicants----AGOS-04.pdf

Approved-Course-List-1-July-2010.pdf

Schedule-of-fees-Nursing---Midwifery-Board-of-Australia.pdf

[RN oz1]

Got 2 days off, just want to share to get the ball rolling.

Please always keep in mind we are "NURSES"

Standard_Format_for_Curriculum_Vitae_-_web-1-.pdf

[aimz7302]

aaagghhh.....

[aimz7302]

Got 2 days off, just want to share to get the ball rolling.

Please always keep in mind we are "NURSES"

@ RN oz1 : Hey there. Thank you so much for uploading those files. But help! I can't seem to open them. Or there seems to be some "damage" to the files. Even from the original council's website, it seems to be the same. Help! How else may I access these files?

[Doza]

Remember the needed qualifications required by bp providers and/or employers...? They can be bent. *wink*. There's a legal back door for them. So if you think you're not qualified, I encourage you to think again. The requirements here in aus are flexible. I know a lot of people who are now aus nurses. And some of them bent the rules to join the game. And I'm so happy and proud of them. And soon I'll be bending these rules too. As a fresh graduate nurse with zero experience.

Hi terdjay. I would caution against talking about bending the rules. I think that Australians won't like reading that. I don't want to start another word war here, as it's really a matter of semantics. However the legal back door you speak of might insult them. :redbeathe

To those that said they won't post anymore, please reconsider, esp javRN:cry:

[Doza]

@ RN oz1 : Hey there. Thank you so much for uploading those files. But help! I can't seem to open them. Or there seems to be some "damage" to the files. Even from the original council's website, it seems to be the same. Help! How else may I access these files?

Hi Aimz. They are pdf files. I was able to get them from the link. You need adobe acrobat/reader in your computer. You can download the reader for free from the internet:)