New grad Filipino nurse wanting to work in Australia/New Zealand

[rnrn07]

Hi everyone, please help me.

I graduated last march 2007 here in the Philippines and I have my license here already.

Because of oversupply of nurses here, it's too difficult to find a job.

That's why I'm looking forward to working in Australia or New Zealand.

However, I'm confused. Esp about Australia.

I already have my bachelors degree here.

When I go there in Aus to work as RN, must I take a diploma in nursing first? can I work while studying?

After obtaining my diploma there, am I already a registered nurse?

Thank you!

[terdjay]

It gives me breaking news. That news came July 1 at 12am. But we're already used to these kind of scenarios anyway so it's like "oh boy here goes wa again". I'm now waiting for the local suburb newspaper where I can read comments regarding this.

There's a bp for en and rn. Maybe these nurses took the en bp that's why they got an en job or they applied as en instead of rn which sometimes happen

[yfke]

what universities/schools in SA that offers bp/conversion would you recommend? thanks

[javRN]

It's in my abc app

Thank you for the reply.

The ABC breaking news released 12am July 1, 2010 about Roxon withholding WA Health funds has nothing to do with rejecting the National Registration and Accreditation Scheme.http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/01/2941566.htm?section=justin

WA has never intended to reject or refuse to join the NRAS. WA just wasn't able to pass the enabling legislation to make the NRAS in effect and operational as of July 1, 2010 unlike the other states and territories. So therefore, the Nursing and Midwifery practise in Western Australia as of now is still governed by the existing Nurses and Midwives Act 2006. Per NMBWA website, the NRAS will hopefully be in effect on 18th October this year.

Let me digress and give forumers my two cents a penny according to lithotomy, my idol:

Those of you who already have complete requirements ( ielts, TORs, training certificates etc) and who are afraid of the rule changes regarding overseas nurses, may opt to send applications to NMBWA so you will be assessed as RNs and be given the eligibility letter to undergo a BP that is valid for three years. NMBWA is very quick and efficient in granting eligibility letters if you have complete requirements.When NRAS will come in effect in October, there is a chance that you can enrol in BP programs nationwide, not just in WA.

As of now, AHPRA-NMBA has not yet finalised the requirements or criteria for overseas nurses although they already posted the application form. The educational requirement must include at least a 3-year fulltime study in nursing. But if the NMBNSW people will continue to argue that Philippine educated nurses although mostly have a 4-year BSN course do not meet the educational standards because they only have 10 years of primary and secondary education, and if they can advocate their position and convince the new NMBA, then all Pinoy applicants will then be required to take the 1 year or 2 year conversion courses before registration as nurse will be granted. It's goodbye 3-month BP programs for Pinoy nurses. If the new NMBA will be convinced by the position of former nurses and midwives board of other states and territories, then there is a great chance that BPs or even CAS will still be a viable option for Pinoy nurses. It could go either way or somewhere in between.

There is a small window of opportunity for you to be assessed as RNs in WA. You have until 18th Oct to be granted eligibility letters. If granted an eligibility letter, it will have to be honored by the new NMBA. Just like those who were granted eligibility letters by NBV before July 1.

back to the initial topic:

The agreement WA refuses to sign which made the Federal Government withold WA health funding is the Health Reform Agreement, not the NRAS. WA refuses to sign the agreement because it wants to have more control of its GST revenues.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/colin-barnett-refuses-to-sign-rudds-health-deal-over-gst-clawback/story-e6frgczf-1225856073218

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/a-precious-commodity-called-unity-goes-west-20100425-tliy.html

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cash-threat-to-wa-in-health-deadlock/story-e6frg12c-1225885486583

[ryan09]

Hi ryan! I'm kinda new here :-) i read a few pages of this thread and i believe that you took the BP and currently has a job as an RN in melbourne. I'm also planning to do the BP but right now I'm still waiting for the assessment from NBV. I've lodged my documents first week of May and i haven't received any reply from NBV yet. And i have a few questions regarding the work opportunities of Filipino nurses there who took the BP. I've heard from a friend that nurses who had conversion program has higher chances of having job offers than nurses who had BP. Is this true? She said that nurses who took the BP will only be offered an EN position and not an RN. Can you please give us an idea about the employment situation of nurses there in Melbourne, especially those nurses who took the BP. I'm also worried because I don't have any hospital experience. I'm a 2009 graduate, and i haven't worked in any hospital since. Thank you so much and it would really be appreciated if you can Pm me or reply to this post. Thanks again and God Bless! :-)

hello, who gave you the information regarding these? im afraid to say that the inforrmation relayed to you is misleading!

there is no such thing as RN will only be offered EN jobs. and so far i havent heard anyone from here who already have a RN licence and worked as an EN. ITS AGAINST THE LAW! if the proper authority knows about it they will be liable to law.you are licenced to work as RN and NOT as EN vice versa. and why would you work "junior" to your level??as far as i know RNs are more in demand than ENs. my thought is they were assessed as EN by the NBV and not RN thus working as EN.

every RN has an equal opportunity of being employed. there is no such thing as overseas nurses who did a conversion program will have a higher chances of landing a job. come to think of it, every person who is applying for a registration is carefully assessed by the NBV, meaning once everyone is already registered you are all in the same level. in fact in my own opinion, nurses who have done BP than Conversion are more attractive to employers because this means these nurses dont need a year of study just to be qualified and nurses who did the BP were properly screened as evidenced by meeting the difficult requirements set by the board and one of which is the IELTS.

maybe what they were telling you is that they were assessed by the board as EN eventhough they were RN overseas and a couple of nurses in this forum is in that situation as well.

as for RN jobs in melbourne metro, there is a huge competition in the metro area,, however, in the regional or rural area you will have a higher chances of getting a job as few nurses opt to go regional for work.:) but sometimes its just a matter of luck and/or perseverance...

dont worry about having no experience, you can apply as a graduate year nurse...

[cioman94]

Btw, wa being full of politics, slow, outback thinking and very bureaucratic is not an opinion. It's a fact. And it's a social issue for us residents. Coz we're severely affected.

But anyway, you people from other states and countries don't care anyway. So why bother.

Good luck to everyone dreaming to be an aus nurse.

please please please, just do not make sweeping conclusion on us "people" from other countries like Phils..

any negative situations in WA affects us "people" from other countries because it limits the employment opportunities and it creates volume of application in other states instead of dispersing it together with WA.. So I am bothered and will be bothered by the WA situation because I know it will affect us "people" from other countries..

please please lang po, spare me or some of us who believes in the importance of WA situation in our nursing life.. as ive appealed earlier, let's just chill..

[terdjay]

Go check the comments. There's something deeper with the news and read between the lines. Complement it with blogs and tweets. Of course the news itself is only one very small part of the story.

As I've said what's impt here is that wa would be joining ahpra but later bec of some issues.

Same with you won't openly read in news that Perth don't need nurses at the moment even though there are job advertisements and open recruitment pool. You get these facts by complementary infos and reading between lines. Do you openly read news too that most public hospitals in aus are overstaffed and private hospitals prefer overseas nurses? That some boards before like nbv prioritize Indians? The news are only the key to unlock something hidden if you look hard enough.

These are facts not openly known by all. Are australians aware with the fact that Phil justice system is slow? Do they read that openly or between lines? Same banana

[mikyong]

hello, who gave you the information regarding these? im afraid to say that the inforrmation relayed to you is misleading!

there is no such thing as RN will only be offered EN jobs. and so far i havent heard anyone from here who already have a RN licence and worked as an EN. ITS AGAINST THE LAW! if the proper authority knows about it they will be liable to law.you are licenced to work as RN and NOT as EN vice versa. and why would you work "junior" to your level??as far as i know RNs are more in demand than ENs. my thought is they were assessed as EN by the NBV and not RN thus working as EN.

every RN has an equal opportunity of being employed. there is no such thing as overseas nurses who did a conversion program will have a higher chances of landing a job. come to think of it, every person who is applying for a registration is carefully assessed by the NBV, meaning once everyone is already registered you are all in the same level. in fact in my own opinion, nurses who have done BP than Conversion are more attractive to employers because this means these nurses dont need a year of study just to be qualified and nurses who did the BP were properly screened as evidenced by meeting the difficult requirements set by the board and one of which is the IELTS.

maybe what they were telling you is that they were assessed by the board as EN eventhough they were RN overseas and a couple of nurses in this forum is in that situation as well.

as for RN jobs in melbourne metro, there is a huge competition in the metro area,, however, in the regional or rural area you will have a higher chances of getting a job as few nurses opt to go regional for work.:) but sometimes its just a matter of luck and/or perseverance...

dont worry about having no experience, you can apply as a graduate year nurse...

hello ryan.

From previous posts, Ive learned that youre already working as a nurse in Australia, Victoria in particular. and now that you were granted a national license, regardless of the fact that you took your BP in victoria and were assessed under NBV, I would like to know what or how high are chances for you to work in NSW? we know that NSW is stringent with Filipino nurses and that a lot of them were assessed as enrolled nurses not as RNs. just a thought ive been pondering on.

this question is also for javRN and those who already hold a national license who took their BP outside NSW. would appreciate any response. thanks :)

[cioman94]

Go check the comments. There's something deeper with the news and read between the lines. Complement it with blogs and tweets. Of course the news itself is only one very small part of the story.

As I've said what's impt here is that wa would be joining ahpra but later bec of some issues.

Same with you won't openly read in news that Perth don't need nurses at the moment even though there are job advertisements and open recruitment pool. You get these facts by complementary infos and reading between lines. Do you openly read news too that most public hospitals in aus are overstaffed and private hospitals prefer overseas nurses? That some boards before like nbv prioritize Indians? The news are only the key to unlock something hidden if you look hard enough.

These are facts not openly known by all. Are australians aware with the fact that Phil justice system is slow? Do they read that openly or between lines? Same banana

i agree with the information and stuff that you raised regarding what is going on there, you are in a very good position to know and relay that informatin to us, i believe your information are reliable..

just please do not make sweeping conclusion of us "...people from...other countries....." who do not "care" or "bother", as what you stated in your previous post.. that's all i am clearly requesting..

[terdjay]

Do you wanna know why overseas nurses are having difficulty finding a job now here? That's because there's currently a surplus of nurses in aus. What aus currently need is highly skilled nurses. What about the nrsg shortage aus is blabbing about? It's like saying I'm hungry the fact that you've just eaten. Hungry later. But not now.

Overseas nurses are lucrative business for the bp providers and aus. I dare everyone to openly find these infos in news.

Good luck

[terdjay]

Ryan I know of some RNs in qld who are working as rn but with en salary bec they have no nrsg experience. But after a year they got promoted to level 1 rn salary.

[pao.rn]

hello, who gave you the information regarding these? im afraid to say that the inforrmation relayed to you is misleading!

there is no such thing as RN will only be offered EN jobs. and so far i havent heard anyone from here who already have a RN licence and worked as an EN. ITS AGAINST THE LAW! if the proper authority knows about it they will be liable to law.you are licenced to work as RN and NOT as EN vice versa. and why would you work "junior" to your level??as far as i know RNs are more in demand than ENs. my thought is they were assessed as EN by the NBV and not RN thus working as EN.

every RN has an equal opportunity of being employed. there is no such thing as overseas nurses who did a conversion program will have a higher chances of landing a job. come to think of it, every person who is applying for a registration is carefully assessed by the NBV, meaning once everyone is already registered you are all in the same level. in fact in my own opinion, nurses who have done BP than Conversion are more attractive to employers because this means these nurses dont need a year of study just to be qualified and nurses who did the BP were properly screened as evidenced by meeting the difficult requirements set by the board and one of which is the IELTS.

maybe what they were telling you is that they were assessed by the board as EN eventhough they were RN overseas and a couple of nurses in this forum is in that situation as well.

as for RN jobs in melbourne metro, there is a huge competition in the metro area,, however, in the regional or rural area you will have a higher chances of getting a job as few nurses opt to go regional for work.:) but sometimes its just a matter of luck and/or perseverance...

dont worry about having no experience, you can apply as a graduate year nurse...

Wow! Thank you so much!Regarding the graduate year nurse do you have any idea what time/month of the year is the intake for graduate nurses in hospitals? Thank you again!!

[javRN]

hello ryan.

From previous posts, Ive learned that youre already working as a nurse in Australia, Victoria in particular. and now that you were granted a national license, regardless of the fact that you took your BP in victoria and were assessed under NBV, I would like to know what or how high are chances for you to work in NSW? we know that NSW is stringent with Filipino nurses and that a lot of them were assessed as enrolled nurses not as RNs. just a thought ive been pondering on.

this question is also for javRN and those who already hold a national license who took their BP outside NSW. would appreciate any response. thanks :)

In terms of the number of advertised RN positions, NSW has the highest among all states and territories. If you want to work in NSW you must have the license to work there. If you are currently licensed by AHPRA-NMBA, you can legally work anywhere in Australia except WA. If ryan wants to commence work in WA prior to let's say Oct 18 (when NRAS comes in operation in WA,hopefully!). He must first obtain a license from NMBWA through the Mutual Recognition Act. Same is true with any nurse licensed only in WA who wants to work outside of WA. If NRAS comes in operation in WA, then any nurse licensed by AHPRA-NMBA can legally work anywhere in Aus.

When it comes to employment, you must satisfy the employer that you have a valid license, that your experience would match their requirements, and that you have good references. TORs,where you did your BP or conversion, and unis or colleges, is not that important.

I know of a nurse who was initially registered in QNC, she was a second courser and finished formal nursing studies in less than 3 years who found work in NSW after applying for a license in NSW through Mutual Recognition. Had she applied for initial registration in NSW, she would have been assessed as EN.