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Why I'm going to medical school. Ill keep this short and simple. How does this relate to everybody else? Read the entire thing and see, this explanation is not at all about me.
Overwhelming amount of masters level nursing programs. Never before besides law and maybe the MBA have I ever seen such a large amount of specific programs pop up. Every school in america seems to have a masters level nursing program in their academia. This includes the notorious for-profit schools that everybody excluding people who hold degrees from these institutions seem to loathe. Our credentialing bodies, by allowing all of these poorly regulated programs to pop up, have lowered them selves to the level of weaksause, bile-like vomitus.
decreasing job market. Again, with every soul in america for going an advanced practicing nursing degree, our job availability will decrease severely in the next few years. This has already began to take place, with many NPS across america, varying geographically of course, fighting for entry level jobs making substandard wages.
Low barrier to entry. This is where the nail gets hit on the head. Essentially, to keep enrollment high, higher level nursing programs (excluding a few from higher end schools) have DROPPED their admission standards, in fear that somebody will go to another program instead of their own. NO GRE, NO GPA, NO EXPERIENCE, NO INTERVIEW. I mean come on people, really??? Your so money hungry you will lower your admission standards just to get more applicants and provide more seats. At least in the medical world, schools keep it competitive, for which is mostly to make their school look better.
Role confusion. This is not prevalent everywhere, but even with all these nurses pushing for education of the np model to patients†a large amount of people still don't know what we are. PAGING DOCTOR NURSE, DOCTOR NURSE. I mean how ridiculous does that sound. DOCTOR NURSE??? while the DOCTOR NURSE complication may be DNP and PHD specific, there is much confusion to a nurse wearing a while coat, prescribing medication, etc (not anything wrong with it but it is confusing to patients)
Weaksause curriculum. I am sure there are very difficult schools out there that provide the MSN needed to obtain the overly sought nurse prackk†status, but many of these online programs at for-profit universities have really dumbed the requirements. I know of many schools that require no closed book tests, being the only one you take is your majorly feared BOARD EXAM, which was so notoriously easy i don't see how anybody can fail it. I think the hardest question I had was. SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH THAT BILE-LIKE- VOMUCKUS AND RIGHT QUADRANT UPPER PAIN IN THE ABDOMINALS AREA. WHAT LOLTEST DO YOU ORDER IMAGING WISE FIRST SO U CAN DIAGNOSE THIS PATIENT LIKE A 1337SAUSE NURSE PRACKK AND BE EPICLY LEET AND GET A LONGER WHYT KOAT. But anyway…. it is too easy, to short, and does not always prepare people for the level of knowledge required to do his or her job. If you disagree, then why do we aways get these ZOMG I CANT TAKE MY JOB ITS TOO HARD AND HARD AND I CANT FUNCTION, DIDNIT LERN ENUFF, HELP†posts on all nurses from these inadequate providers that went to the university of the FEENIX at western senator university and didn't even learn what lisinopril is? epic failure my fellow PRACKKS.
I could keep going but i will spare you all from my wonderfully notorious grammar and poor use of capitalization to go study the MCAT since medical school actually has requirements to get into it. By no means am I smarter or think I'm smarter than anyone else, but by taking this path I will have a much more rewarding career, more job options, and an overall better outlook than most (if not all) NURSE PRACKKS. None of this is due to any quality I possess besides the fact that I have been imbued with the knowledge that Low barrier to entry, overly easy schooling, hot popularity, and poor credentialing bodies will lead to a severely saturated market for current and future nurse practitioners, which I have chosen not to be a part of.
If anybody else wants to follow me through a more difficult and rewarding pathway than advance practice nursing can provide, you will reap the rewards of the hard labor you shall put forth, if not, enjoy the last few years of excellent salary guarantee (excluding excellent providers, which most people think they are but they are not even close) and wallow in your despair once your fighting for jobs that pay a couple grand more than RN positions.
Eat dirt you poorly managed nursing credentialing bodies, for imbuing all these poor people with high hopes and dreams which will burn in fumes faster than the dotcom bubble did.
THE PRACK BUBBLE WILL POP, ARE YOU READY?
#incoming hate
#pulverize the dead horse
#all of the people who cherish his or her APRN license will be super MADZLOL and be offended by this which is awesome
#hanging out under my bridge
#overly sensitive nursing population
Oh, and I also put down a 200k+ year job to do all this, for all you people who will be like "LOL YOUR BADZ AND NEED MORE SKOOL TO BE GOODS AND PROBABLY MADE LIKE 55K PER YEAR ROFL ROFL ROFL."
I noticed the OP isn't responding any longer. All I have to say is, if you want to be an MD, then go to medical school. No need to bash NPs along the way. Before you apply to medical school, be sure to talk to medical students and MDs who are actually doing what you want to do. I teach in a setting where I talk to a lot of medical students and physicians. There is a lot of discontent among both groups. And in my NP practice, I see physician discontent up close and personal. If you are sure you want to go to medical school, then go. See ya.
So let's say someone wants to work in medicine, but definitely wouldn't cut it as an RN personality wise. Why would they decide to become an NP rather than an MD? Because it's an easier path in general?
Genuine question, hopefully no one is offended by the "easier" wording I'm just curious. I've never really paid much attention to the nursing structure. I'm just now taking notice when a nurse treating me is an lpn vs rn.
So let's say someone wants to work in medicine, but definitely wouldn't cut it as an RN personality wise. Why would they decide to become an NP rather than an MD? Because it's an easier path in general?Genuine question, hopefully no one is offended by the "easier" wording I'm just curious. I've never really paid much attention to the nursing structure. I'm just now taking notice when a nurse treating me is an lpn vs rn.
I think there might be some weight in being able to learn in a more "modular" format. If someone wants to take a break from school, for example, they can do that without compromising their end-game (Break at LPN, RN, BSN, Etc). Medical school doesn't have that same benefit.
Regarding the OP.. I've met crappy MD's and fantastic NP's. I find more of it has to do with the individual provider than the initials by their name. I know a few PA/NP's in the ER I'd see before several physicians.
Let's put it this way...it's rather juvenile to have a ranting meltdown that tears into an entire profession as a way of making oneself look better. It does, in fact, achieve the opposite. I've worked hard to get where I am, and I'm coming up to 8 years of schooling to make it to be an APRN, and I sure as heck am not going to let some tantruming little tyke belittle it. I'm sure you'll be sneaking back with your tail between your legs when it doesn't quite work out the way you'd planned. Better not have burned those bridges.
The OP wasn't bashing nurse practitioners, but the education of them. It doesn't take much of a look at the education of a nurse practitioner to see that is very easy to become one. Of course it doesn't take much to upset the average nursing population, we are known for our touchiness, which really harms our reputation. I have been an NP for a while and it amazes me that most comments made toward the op are from people who aren't even NPs or have just started their program. But whatever, keep being ignorant, doesn't hurt my career prospects.
I don't think you can use the term 'worked hard' and msn fnp degree in the same sentence, I mean, if you have to work hard to get an NP degree you either went to one of the few good schools or just aren't very bright and probably shouldn't pursue a masters degree or have prescriptive authority.
It also amazes me people actually have difficulty with the board exams. imo they were way too easy.
There are good doctors and bad doctors just like there are good nps and bad nps. But of course the nurses only bring up the bad doctors, and claim all heaven and glory on every NP they ever met. Such a pity that people have this much bias.
Leave it up to the nurses to get super defensive when some truth is spoken, even if it wasn't put together as well as it could have been.
Like they say, you don't know what you don't know.
Yeah, I'm so unintelligent that I have 13 letters after my name BEFORE I add the MSN. I'm in one of the top ACUTE programs in the country and trust me, I had to work hard to get in as there were only 13 places available. You are reflecting your own insecurities on to me. Don't. I don't think that being protective of all that I've achieved is "touchy". I think that if the OP doesn't appreciate all that is available to NPs, he or she should just quietly leave and toddle off to medical school. This juvenile baiting is just embarrassing quite frankly. Your sardonic tone is lost on me I'm afraid. I'm quite confident in all that I am capable of. THIS is why nurses can't have nice things.
The OP wasn't bashing nurse practitioners, but the education of them. It doesn't take much of a look at the education of a nurse practitioner to see that is very easy to become one. Of course it doesn't take much to upset the average nursing population, we are known for our touchiness, which really harms our reputation. I have been an NP for a and it amazes me that most comments made toward the op are from people who aren't even NPs or have just started their program. But whatever, keep being ignorant, doesn't hurt my career prospects.I don't think you can use the term 'worked hard' and msn fnp degree in the same sentence, I mean, if you have to work hard to get an NP degree you either went to one of the few good schools or just aren't very bright and probably shouldn't pursue a masters degree or have prescriptive authority.
It also amazes me people actually have difficulty with the board exams. imo they were way too easy.
There are good doctors and bad doctors just like there are good nps and bad nps. But of course the nurses only bring up the bad doctors, and claim all heaven and glory on every NP they ever met. Such a pity that people have this much bias.
Leave it up to the nurses to get super defensive when some truth is spoken, even if it wasn't put together as well as it could have been.
Like they say, you don't know what you don't know.
don't be salty bro. You did remind me of the alphabet soup many nurses like to carry after his or her name. I mean cmon, does anybody really care if somebody has CCRN, RN, LPN, MSN, DNP, CNA, TNCC, BLAH BLAH behind their badge? No it just makes people look silly lol.
I seemed to have touched the ''nurse nerve'' on you.
Jelly and salt don't mix well.
If you think you're going to draw me into your petty little argument, you're very much mistaken. You're embarrassing yourself.
don't be salty bro. You did remind me of the alphabet soup many nurses like to carry after his or her name. I mean cmon, does anybody really care if somebody has CCRN, RN, LPN, MSN, DNP, CNA, TNCC, BLAH BLAH behind their badge? No it just makes people look silly lol.I seemed to have touched the ''nurse nerve'' on you.
Jelly and salt don't mix well.
This is all just too funny. I think both synaptic and sauce should co-author a book called, "How to defend a perspective based on pure fallacy: For people who have nothing better to do with their intellect". I think you could make a lot of money. Maybe enough to get you through medical school! I say go for it!
This is all just too funny. I think both synaptic and sauce should co-author a book called, "How to defend a perspective based on pure fallacy: For people who have nothing better to do with their intellect". I think you could make a lot of money. Maybe enough to get you through medical school! I say go for it!
I'd buy one and attend a book signing. I have enjoyed this thread and although much of it seems tongue in cheek I happen to agree with many of their points.
And no worries Sauce, I'm actually a real NP and those are the only two letters I add behind my name. When you are a bad ass you don't need no stinking letters, lol.
Eh its okay, once they graduate and see the real world they will thank us. It commonly seems to be the student nps that are super cocky and such that come back complaining how terrible their first job is since they aren't properly prepared.
L o L.
It isn't all about the money but to be honest most nursing credentials are worthless attempts to suck money out of your wallet. If it doesn't add to salary why would somebody waste time getting more letters? I am sure jules and I make 3-4 times as much as you with your 13 letter alphabet soup. Soup is for kids, work is for adults.
yohanes9
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I know a CRNA and he only works just two weeks per month and he is very smart and doctors love to work with him and he make around 380k a year, another APN in psychiatric office that make 180k a year, of course the psychiatrist who owns the practice make around 500k a year, but there's another MD who works in the same practice who makes 220k, what I'm trying to say is that every career has his rewards if you decided to go for more! And it is within every professional be a good doctor or a good APN or NP, I'm very proud to be an RN and hopefully and with honor get into anesthetist school! Just relax go what ever you wanna go and respect the rest who already love his/her career