Measles, Mumps, Rubella... Forgotten but NOT Gone

There is no decision more personal than whether or not to immunize one's children. Information regarding the safety and effectiveness of today's vaccines is readily available but is overshadowed by opinion and hyperbole offered up by celebrities and others. In light of significant recent outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases all over North America, it's a good idea to explore the issues. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

To immunize or not to immunize... that is the question. When I was growing up, there really wasn't any controversy - when we were in certain grades, we were all lined up at school and the public health nurse either gave us a shot in the arm or a little pink drop of sugary liquid on a plastic spoon. I have a nice, circular scar on each of my upper arms just below my shoulders that signify my immunization against smallpox, the only disease to have been declared eradicated from the Earth. When my children were small they each were given their shots according to the vaccination schedule of the time. It's what we did. Then came Andrew Wakefield.

The study published by Mr Wakefield purported to link immunizations with the development of autism and it set the world on its ear. The fact that this study has been debunked scientifically a number of times seems not to penetrate the consciousness of a growing group of parents who feel that herd immunity will protect their children. The principle of herd immunity is simple: if enough of a herd of any species is immune to a microbe the odds of an outbreak of that microbial disease are extremely low. And should an outbreak occur, it rapidly diminishes as the number of susceptible hosts drops. Well, guess what... the herd isn't immune any more.

Outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis and varicella have been documented all over complacent North America. Combined with a falling immunization rate, high-speed intercontinental travel allows these diseases to gain a toehold and then they are free to run rampant through populations with low or NO herd immunity. Communicability begins before the infected host becomes symptomatic, so spread is difficult to contain once it begins. Measles had been declared eliminated in the Americas in 2002, with small sporadic outbreaks annually; there were 85 cases on the continent in 2005 and as many as 253 in 2010. But in 2011, the WHO American region reported the highest number of cases seen since the disease was reported eliminated. My city has just recorded its second measles case in as many weeks after years of zero cases and we've had two infants with congenital rubella admitted to our PICU in recent months.

"So what's the big deal?" people say. Health care has changed since the 50s and 60s, and kids don't die of vaccine-preventable diseases any more. Right? Wrong. Children and adults DO die of these diseases, although the number is small and complication rates remain manageable. For now, at least. Even so, people still believe that it's all hype and not really anything to worry about. They forget about the children and adults who are unable to be immunized, not for lack of wanting it but because of other health issues. Children with cancer, blood dyscrasias, organ transplants and certain neurological disorders cannot be immunized against certain diseases. Adults who have been inadequately immunized as children for whatever reason are also at risk. And it's this population who are at risk for dying from chicken pox. Or measles. Or to become sterile from the mumps. Or to have a baby with severe anomalies from congenital rubella. It's not a joke.

In the course of researching my family tree I have come across entire families wiped out by pertussis and measles, and others by typhus, cholera, or scarlet fever (infections that while not vaccine preventable, have been essentially eradicated by modern-day antibiotics and sanitation practices). I'm always deeply saddened when I find them, and I fear that if the current complacency and disdain for immunization continue we may find ourselves right back there.

As pediatric nurses we have a unique opportunity to help make this better. We have many teachable moments in the course of our workday where we could reinforce the message that not only are vaccinations safe and effective, but also that parents aren't only protecting their own children, they're protecting those they encounter out in the world who aren't lucky enough to be able to protect themselves. We can remind them that no one knows what the future might bring and that someday they may find themselves with a child who can't be immunized. I remember a family that had 5 children. None of them were immunized because the mom was opposed. Their fourth child became critically ill and needed a heart transplant. The discussions with this mother were intense and, on some level vaguely threatening when it was pointed out that the child would surely die if one of the siblings brought home a vaccine-preventable disease after going through a transplant. She asked for some time to research things and in the end agreed to have all of her children immunized.

My challenge to you is to examine your own thoughts and feelings about vaccinations from a scientific rather than an emotional perspective. Then I challenge you to formulate your responses to parents who are on the fence about having their children immunized so you have them ready when the opportunity arises. Our future is counting on you.

Regarding doctors who don't vaccinate, I've only come across one who chooses not to get the flu shot every year due to a case of Guillain-Barré syndrome he treated about 20 years ago. The patient completely recovered by the way and the link to the flu shot is iffy. One of his young patients also had a seizure but it was not directly associated with a vaccine however the timing was just too close to not rule it out and that entire family won't get vaccines. He also doesn't believe in pre-medicating an male infant prior to circumcision because of one case of a botched injection of lidocaine he knew about that caused damage to an infant's member. I love this doc but he makes some decisions based on very rare circumstances. There are some medical folks who don't immunize but I personally think the majority do immunize.

I want to give more than just a "like" to kenderella89 - your posts are articulate, polite, and full of great information. Thank you.

There is a group of nurses who promote education regarding immunization and I'm not sure if I already linked them on this thread so I'll link them below.

http://www.nurseswhovaccinate.org

www.nurseswhovaccinate.blogspot.com

I don't know anything about Natural News so I can't speak directly to it, but I will say that just because there are groups that don't agree with you, it doesn't mean that they don't speak the truth.

I don't judge a group because they don't agree with me. I judge them on their logic or lack thereof. I mentioned Natural News just as an example of the group that disseminates information that I see quoted currently on many of the anti-vax websites or in anti-vax arguments. It is just an example of one I disagree with based on faulty logic. Not based on not agreeing with me.

I've learned a lot through the years by at least looking at other information. Sometimes I learn I was wrong. Sometimes not.

Regarding doctors who don't vaccinate, I've only come across one who chooses not to get the flu shot every year due to a case of Guillain-Barré syndrome he treated about 20 years ago. One of his young patients also had a seizure but it was not directly associated with a vaccine however the timing was just too close to not rule it out and that entire family won't get vaccines. He also doesn't believe in pre-medicating an male infant prior to circumcision because of one case of a botched injection of lidocaine he knew about that caused damage to an infant's member. I love this doc but he makes some decisions based on very rare circumstances. There are some medical folks who don't immunize but I personally think the majority do immunize.

I want to give more than just a "like" to kenderella89 - your posts are articulate, polite, and full of great information. Thank you.

There is a group of nurses who promote education regarding immunization and I'm not sure if I already linked them on this thread so I'll link them below.

http://www.nurseswhovaccinate.org

www.nurseswhovaccinate.blogspot.com

Your comments come across as suggesting that there must be very few doctors who don't vaccinate because you've only "come across" one. Also that you dismiss as not credible all doctors who don't vaccinate based on this one doctor.

Specializes in Eventually Midwifery.
Do you disagree with what I said?

I've been told that I should trust what my doctor tells me, but doctors don't always get it right, do they?

I do not disagree that your particular doctor can make mistakes. However, there is an overwhelming amount of research that supports vaccination. It is not unreasonable to think a single person, or even several people, could make mistakes in their research, but to ignore the majority of research seems unwise.

Your comments come across as suggesting that there must be very few doctors who don't vaccinate because you've only "come across" one. Also that you dismiss as not credible all doctors who don't vaccinate based on this one doctor.

Nope, sorry for the mistaken impression. It is funny - we routinely get misinterpreted due to the way we write and blame it on not being able to sit and chat with another person, see their facial expressions or hear the tone of their voice.

And yet, we read books by great authors who take us away with wonderful storytelling to great adventures.

I merely was responding to another poster who mentioned docs who don't immunize and how he/she hadn't met any. I thought about my own anecdotal experience and could only come up with that one doc. If I gave the impression that based on that anecdotal experience I then had concrete evidence of something, sorry about that.

Based on my 17 years as a nurse and in my reading and research, I think that the majority of medical professionals are in favor of immunizations.

It's always struck me as crazy odd how that one doc will not immunize some folks and yet will also not give a baby a shot of lidocaine but is a big believer in circumcision and he was all I could come up with when thinking about that poster's comment about docs. That has nothing to do with the entire argument about immunization.

I'm a firm believer that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. You have to go deeper. Sorry again for the misunderstanding.

Specializes in School Nursing, Public Health Nurse.
Looks like I forgot to complete my thought on the crystal ball idea. What I had in mind when I was writing it was that we could see what was coming but couldn't change it.

I'm "pushing" about children because they are the ones who get the overwhelming majority of vaccines, so they bear the most risk. Also because adults choose for themselves when they are the ones getting vaccines; children have that decision made for them, so I feel an even greater responsibility when it comes to the children in my family.

Except for your last paragraph, I agree with the rest. I will just reiterate that nobody is debating your right to choose in those areas. But your bolding of "educated risks" seems to suggest that your decisions are educated while mine are not. THAT, if true for you (as it is for many who support vaccines), is a very arrogant assumption to make, and a primary reason for me engaging in this thread at all.

So...your crystal ball analogy in my head still doesn't make sense. But anyway I understand where you are coming from.

I bolded educated risks, because 1) I really like the way that sounded. 2) I'm making a point that I make my decisions on evidenced-based practice vs. a lot of anti-vaxers that use books or blog posts. None if it is real evidence. It's one big conspiracy that people feed in to. Just like the No Holocaust people and the AIDS is a myth people. There's so much real tangible evidence out there and they just turn a blind eye to it. And please don't go on about how you aren't like them because you won't give us your sources. That's perfectly fine, but you're just standing on soap and not a soapbox.

In other news: Happy Nurses week GM2RN! :yes:

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.
No one is going to protect your children the way you would (except maybe a grandmother :)). That's a fact of life. So if I was around your child in an airport I would wear a mask, cover my cough, do anything else that I reasonably could to protect him.

How would you know? Should I hang a sign around his neck?

Specializes in kids.
This is one of those subjects that people are passionate about. On both sides.

I think there has been a TON of misinformation out there about vaccination from both sides. I am mistrustful of BIG PHARMA. They have covered bad things in the past...what stops them from it now?

I have vaccinated my children and will continue to do so. That being said there are some vaccinations I am mistrustful of...for me it's the HPV and Flu.

It is a benefit versus risk. Unfortunately with my daughter entering nursing school she no longer has a right to refuse the Flu vaccine and being 18 needs to make that decision. I pray she will be fine. I truly wish someone would study the effects of life long vaccinations on the immune system with the rise in auto-immune disorders...are we stressing the immune system to the brink that if feels the body itself is something to attack?

It makes me wonder.

Allnurses promotes a good debate...as long as the posters remain polite.

Once again, the voice of reason!

I think there has been a TON of misinformation out there about vaccination from both sides. I am mistrustful of BIG PHARMA. They have covered bad things in the past...what stops them from it now?

I have vaccinated my children and will continue to do so. That being said there are some vaccinations I am mistrustful of...for me it's the HPV and Flu.

It is a benefit versus risk. Unfortunately with my daughter entering nursing school she no longer has a right to refuse the Flu vaccine and being 18 needs to make that decision. I pray she will be fine. I truly wish someone would study the effects of life long vaccinations on the immune system with the rise in auto-immune disorders...are we stressing the immune system to the brink that if feels the body itself is something to attack?

It makes me wonder.

Allnurses promotes a good debate...as long as the posters remain polite.

My daughter was a pre-teen when the HPV vaccine came out and I too was distrustful then. Too new for me, not enough information.

I've become a more educated nurse regarding vaccines since becoming a school nurse - I had to because parents bombarded me with questions! :facepalm:

There is a ton of peer-reviewed research out there. And that Nurses Who Vaccinate link I placed earlier in the thread has links to some of it.

I have no issues with the flu vaccine.

As to overloading kids immune systems with so many vaccines, evidence proves that this does not happen.

Do vaccines "use up" or overload the immune system in infants or children?

No. Infants and children are bombarded with germs every day in the air they breathe and the foodthey eat, but their immune systems are able to handle these exposures. Vaccination does notoverburden a child's immune system; rather, it strengthens even the young infant's developingimmune system.


  • The vaccines that are recommended for all children use only a small portion of the immunesystem's "memory." In fact, in an article published in 2002, scientists estimated that based onthe immune system's capacity to respond, a child could theoretically get 10,000 vaccines in oneday and still not "use up" his or her immune response or ability to respond.1

  • The same study found that although more vaccines are recommended for children today than inthe past, children are actually exposed to fewer antigens (the substances that produce animmune response) in vaccines than ever before due to advances in chemistry and vaccineproduction technology.1,2

[h=4]Myth 6: Giving a child more than one vaccine at a time can increase the risk of harmful side-effects, which can overload the child's immune system. FALSE[/h]Fact 6: Scientific evidence shows that giving several vaccines at the same time has no adverse effect on a child's immune system. Children are exposed to several hundred foreign substances that trigger an immune response every day. The simple act of eating food introduces new antigens into the body, and numerous bacteria live in the mouth and nose. A child is exposed to far more antigens from a common cold or sore throat than they are from vaccines. Key advantages of having several vaccines at once is fewer clinic visits, which saves time and money, and children are more likely to complete the recommended vaccinations on schedule. Also, when it is possible to have a combined vaccination, e.g. for measles, mumps and rubella, that means fewer injections.

WHO | What are some of the myths ? and facts ? about vaccination?

Specializes in School Nursing, Public Health Nurse.

I have to say that when the HPV vaccine came out my mom had me get it. My mom is not a nurse but she has always been on top of making sure I got all my vaccinations. It mostly stems from the unequal access to healthcare my grandmother and other older relatives faced while growing up in the South. My grandmother and her siblings could not get the polio vaccine, and others, due to discrimination. Eventually, she did get it when she got older. She always fought to make sure all 8 of her children were able to get the same vaccines white children were able to get. This got passed on to my mom who is a social worker. When I got my physical done for nursing school the Doctor was shocked I was completely current on all my vaccines, including tDap and the flu. She told me it was rare to see people in their 20s with all the recommended and required vaccinations. I thought that was pretty weird.

I also got Menactra when it came out. At my first high school a student died from meningococcal meningitis and it was a big deal. The school, private school, paid for all students to receive the shot if their parents gave permission. I think they started requiring it for admission as well.

Most colleges and many school districts require an immunization against meningococcal meningitis. So far in my district, we don't but we are working on that.

My eldest son (he is 31) got that immunization when he left for college. He also traveled to Africa, England, and Scotland on mission trips and there are required immunizations for that as well. When I went to Vietnam for a medical mission, I had to get immunized for some stuff we don't routinely do here in America.

My youngest son (he's almost 13) is fully immunized for just about everything, including the flu vaccine.

Specializes in Emergency/Trauma/Critical Care Nursing.

Whoa, when did the bots get on Allnurses? Ugh...