Measles, Mumps, Rubella... Forgotten but NOT Gone

There is no decision more personal than whether or not to immunize one's children. Information regarding the safety and effectiveness of today's vaccines is readily available but is overshadowed by opinion and hyperbole offered up by celebrities and others. In light of significant recent outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases all over North America, it's a good idea to explore the issues. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

To immunize or not to immunize... that is the question. When I was growing up, there really wasn't any controversy - when we were in certain grades, we were all lined up at school and the public health nurse either gave us a shot in the arm or a little pink drop of sugary liquid on a plastic spoon. I have a nice, circular scar on each of my upper arms just below my shoulders that signify my immunization against smallpox, the only disease to have been declared eradicated from the Earth. When my children were small they each were given their shots according to the vaccination schedule of the time. It's what we did. Then came Andrew Wakefield.

The study published by Mr Wakefield purported to link immunizations with the development of autism and it set the world on its ear. The fact that this study has been debunked scientifically a number of times seems not to penetrate the consciousness of a growing group of parents who feel that herd immunity will protect their children. The principle of herd immunity is simple: if enough of a herd of any species is immune to a microbe the odds of an outbreak of that microbial disease are extremely low. And should an outbreak occur, it rapidly diminishes as the number of susceptible hosts drops. Well, guess what... the herd isn't immune any more.

Outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis and varicella have been documented all over complacent North America. Combined with a falling immunization rate, high-speed intercontinental travel allows these diseases to gain a toehold and then they are free to run rampant through populations with low or NO herd immunity. Communicability begins before the infected host becomes symptomatic, so spread is difficult to contain once it begins. Measles had been declared eliminated in the Americas in 2002, with small sporadic outbreaks annually; there were 85 cases on the continent in 2005 and as many as 253 in 2010. But in 2011, the WHO American region reported the highest number of cases seen since the disease was reported eliminated. My city has just recorded its second measles case in as many weeks after years of zero cases and we've had two infants with congenital rubella admitted to our PICU in recent months.

"So what's the big deal?" people say. Health care has changed since the 50s and 60s, and kids don't die of vaccine-preventable diseases any more. Right? Wrong. Children and adults DO die of these diseases, although the number is small and complication rates remain manageable. For now, at least. Even so, people still believe that it's all hype and not really anything to worry about. They forget about the children and adults who are unable to be immunized, not for lack of wanting it but because of other health issues. Children with cancer, blood dyscrasias, organ transplants and certain neurological disorders cannot be immunized against certain diseases. Adults who have been inadequately immunized as children for whatever reason are also at risk. And it's this population who are at risk for dying from chicken pox. Or measles. Or to become sterile from the mumps. Or to have a baby with severe anomalies from congenital rubella. It's not a joke.

In the course of researching my family tree I have come across entire families wiped out by pertussis and measles, and others by typhus, cholera, or scarlet fever (infections that while not vaccine preventable, have been essentially eradicated by modern-day antibiotics and sanitation practices). I'm always deeply saddened when I find them, and I fear that if the current complacency and disdain for immunization continue we may find ourselves right back there.

As pediatric nurses we have a unique opportunity to help make this better. We have many teachable moments in the course of our workday where we could reinforce the message that not only are vaccinations safe and effective, but also that parents aren't only protecting their own children, they're protecting those they encounter out in the world who aren't lucky enough to be able to protect themselves. We can remind them that no one knows what the future might bring and that someday they may find themselves with a child who can't be immunized. I remember a family that had 5 children. None of them were immunized because the mom was opposed. Their fourth child became critically ill and needed a heart transplant. The discussions with this mother were intense and, on some level vaguely threatening when it was pointed out that the child would surely die if one of the siblings brought home a vaccine-preventable disease after going through a transplant. She asked for some time to research things and in the end agreed to have all of her children immunized.

My challenge to you is to examine your own thoughts and feelings about vaccinations from a scientific rather than an emotional perspective. Then I challenge you to formulate your responses to parents who are on the fence about having their children immunized so you have them ready when the opportunity arises. Our future is counting on you.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

This is one of those subjects that people are passionate about. On both sides.

I think there has been a TON of misinformation out there about vaccination from both sides. I am mistrustful of BIG PHARMA. They have covered bad things in the past...what stops them from it now?

I have vaccinated my children and will continue to do so. That being said there are some vaccinations I am mistrustful of...for me it's the HPV and Flu.

It is a benefit versus risk. Unfortunately with my daughter entering nursing school she no longer has a right to refuse the Flu vaccine and being 18 needs to make that decision. I pray she will be fine. I truly wish someone would study the effects of life long vaccinations on the immune system with the rise in auto-immune disorders...are we stressing the immune system to the brink that if feels the body itself is something to attack?

It makes me wonder.

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Specializes in School Nursing, Public Health Nurse.
If you could have a crystal ball and know for certain which children would die from vaccines, would you be willing for it to be your child if that's what your crystal ball showed? Of course, there is no such thing, so then it becomes acceptable for everyone else to roll the dice and hope it's their child, not yours.

If we had such a crystal ball wouldn't we just not give it to those children? Apparently I roll the dice when I eat salad or a hamburger too due to contamination issues we keep seeing in the news. All I'm saying is, there is a low risk to using vaccines. It has been documented. Of course anything can happen, but there is a risk to everything. I play lottery and I've been told I'll have a better chance to get hit by lightening. I can get hit by a car tomorrow when crossing the street. Nothing comes without risk. Vaccines is one I'm willing to take the gamble on. I have an implant in my arm that may cause a blood clot. I take medications that may affect my kidney and liver. I take a gamble because I rather not deal day to day with the alternative. I would not be a nurse today if I did not take risks. If I did not take medications that have a mile long list of possible side-effect, including death. They are educated risks and I'm more than willing to back them up.

Pushing about the "lives of children" make it no more devastating than the lives of adults. A life is a life and a death is sad no matter the age of the person. I know you aren't trying to get at that children have more of a life to live than adults. But adults get injured by vaccines too. It's a human issue not an age restriction. Unless you are trying to get in the whole un-developed immune system argument, but I'm not even going to go there.

Vaccines are about giving us a higher quality of life. Like sanitation. Like medication. Disease prevention is as important as treating an existing disease.

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology.

I worry every day about my son and his health. He is one of those people severely affected by a medical misadventure and we pay the price for it every day. He has also been given the gift of life through organ donation. He was too young to have received his second MMR - the booster - at the time he received his transplant and now is at VERY high risk for getting measles if exposed. My spouse and I, and indeed most of his caregivers, have immunity but I worry about the people he encounters at the movie theatre and the mall and in the park and anywhere else he may go. When we travel he will be wearing a procedure mask in the airport and aboard the plane... no matter the reaction we get, because I don't trust the rest of the world to protect him for me. He's had enough ICU inpatient days.

Thanks for the "lesson," but you aren't telling me anything I don't already know. EVERYTHING we do in life has consequences; some may not be fully known for many years, if ever. We can't protect ourselves or our children from everything, as much as we would like to. But, we ALL have the right to make the choices that we decide are best.

If you haven't already, you and everyone else should really study the history of vaccines from multiple sources. Anyone honest with themselves and seeking TRUTH, regardless of what that truth turns out to be, will purposely seek information that goes against the mainstream to see if there just might be something that you missed.

Regarding paragraph #1 - I was simply replying to your statement quoted below. I was not giving you a lesson. I'm sure you do understand; never said you didn't.

Yup, but as stated previously, the pro-vax crowd accepts the right to self-determination for other meds, just not for vaccines. You have the right to vax and I have the right to say no. And by the way, those who choose not to vaccinate have NO DUTY to explain their rationale to ANYONE.

Regarding paragraph #2 - I do go to multiple sources. I just refuse to go to "sources" like Natural News. They have no credibility with me as I've read many of their so-called "research" and find it severely lacking in truth.

This is one of those subjects that people are passionate about. On both sides.

I think there has been a TON of misinformation out there about vaccination from both sides. I am mistrustful of BIG PHARMA. They have covered bad things in the past...what stops them from it now?

I have vaccinated my children and will continue to do so. That being said there are some vaccinations I am mistrustful of...for me it's the HPV and Flu.

It is a benefit versus risk. Unfortunately with my daughter entering nursing school she no longer has a right to refuse the Flu vaccine and being 18 needs to make that decision. I pray she will be fine. I truly wish someone would study the effects of life long vaccinations on the immune system with the rise in auto-immune disorders...are we stressing the immune system to the brink that if feels the body itself is something to attack?

It makes me wonder.

Allnurses promotes a good debate...as long as the posters remain polite.

I'm with you on big pharma, but mentioning it usually just causes most vaccine supporters to label someone "conspiracy theorist." And with the deaths related to the HPV vaccine--yeah, that one scares the crap out of me when it comes to my granddaughter.

If we had such a crystal ball wouldn't we just not give it to those children? Apparently I roll the dice when I eat salad or a hamburger too due to contamination issues we keep seeing in the news. All I'm saying is, there is a low risk to using vaccines. It has been documented. Of course anything can happen, but there is a risk to everything. I play lottery and I've been told I'll have a better chance to get hit by lightening. I can get hit by a car tomorrow when crossing the street. Nothing comes without risk. Vaccines is one I'm willing to take the gamble on. I have an implant in my arm that may cause a blood clot. I take medications that may affect my kidney and liver. I take a gamble because I rather not deal day to day with the alternative. I would not be a nurse today if I did not take risks. If I did not take medications that have a mile long list of possible side-effect, including death. They are educated risks and I'm more than willing to back them up.

Pushing about the "lives of children" make it no more devastating than the lives of adults. A life is a life and a death is sad no matter the age of the person. I know you aren't trying to get at that children have more of a life to live than adults. But adults get injured by vaccines too. It's a human issue not an age restriction. Unless you are trying to get in the whole un-developed immune system argument, but I'm not even going to go there.

Vaccines are about giving us a higher quality of life. Like sanitation. Like medication. Disease prevention is as important as treating an existing disease.

Looks like I forgot to complete my thought on the crystal ball idea. What I had in mind when I was writing it was that we could see what was coming but couldn't change it.

I'm "pushing" about children because they are the ones who get the overwhelming majority of vaccines, so they bear the most risk. Also because adults choose for themselves when they are the ones getting vaccines; children have that decision made for them, so I feel an even greater responsibility when it comes to the children in my family.

Except for your last paragraph, I agree with the rest. I will just reiterate that nobody is debating your right to choose in those areas. But your bolding of "educated risks" seems to suggest that your decisions are educated while mine are not. THAT, if true for you (as it is for many who support vaccines), is a very arrogant assumption to make, and a primary reason for me engaging in this thread at all.

I worry every day about my son and his health. He is one of those people severely affected by a medical misadventure and we pay the price for it every day. He has also been given the gift of life through organ donation. He was too young to have received his second MMR - the booster - at the time he received his transplant and now is at VERY high risk for getting measles if exposed. My spouse and I, and indeed most of his caregivers, have immunity but I worry about the people he encounters at the movie theatre and the mall and in the park and anywhere else he may go. When we travel he will be wearing a procedure mask in the airport and aboard the plane... no matter the reaction we get, because I don't trust the rest of the world to protect him for me. He's had enough ICU inpatient days.

I'm sorry for what you are going through with your son. I don't wish that on anyone.

I have a son as well. He is an adult now, but I wouldn't have trusted the rest of the world to protect him for me either, but I also wouldn't expect them too. No one is going to protect your children the way you would (except maybe a grandmother :)). That's a fact of life. So if I was around your child in an airport I would wear a mask, cover my cough, do anything else that I reasonably could to protect him. But, I won't put my child/grandchild at risk to protect yours.

Specializes in Eventually Midwifery.
And by the way, those who choose not to vaccinate have NO DUTY to explain their rationale to ANYONE.

So why are you trying so hard to do so?

So why are you trying so hard to do so?

You obviously didn't read the rest of the posts.

Specializes in Eventually Midwifery.

Are doctors and scientists human? Are they infallible? Doctors make mistakes all the time!

By this logic, there is no evidence based practice because research is conducted by scientists who are people and therefore given to folly.

Regarding paragraph #1 - I was simply replying to your statement quoted below. I was not giving you a lesson. I'm sure you do understand; never said you didn't.

Regarding paragraph #2 - I do go to multiple sources. I just refuse to go to "sources" like Natural News. They have no credibility with me as I've read many of their so-called "research" and find it severely lacking in truth.

I don't know anything about Natural News so I can't speak directly to it, but I will say that just because there are groups that don't agree with you, it doesn't mean that they don't speak the truth.

By this logic, there is no evidence based practice because research is conducted by scientists who are people and therefore given to folly.

Do you disagree with what I said?

I've been told that I should trust what my doctor tells me, but doctors don't always get it right, do they?