Male Contraception???

Marie_LPN, RN, LPN, RN · Jul 31, 2003

Man, just once I'd like to go to a post where SOMEONE didn't take what is said as a personal/gender insult.....

Tilleycs · Jul 31, 2003

Man, just once I'd like to go to a post where SOMEONE didn't take what is said as a personal/gender insult.....

And I like to read threads where there aren't any...

Furball · Jul 31, 2003

You people shouldn't be having sex at all unless it's for procreation...you evil, devil disciple, horned vipers!

debyan · Jul 31, 2003

Furball, don't you mean Horny vipers? deb

ERNurse752, RN · Jul 31, 2003

Originally posted by Furball
You people shouldn't be having sex at all unless it's for procreation...you evil, devil disciple, horned vipers!

Sinners!!!!!!!!!! :chuckle :roll

SmilingBluEyes · Jul 31, 2003

I meant NO male bashing here. IF anything I said was contrived as such, let please clarify. I believe couples need to be careful to prevent STD spread AT LEAST as much as pregnancy. No, personally, I would not rely on a man to do this FOR me. But I am in a monogamous relationship 16 years running now. STD's are not a problem for us that I know of. However......

I know monogamy is NOT the reality of SO MANY YOUNG sexually-active couples. Pregnancy prevention is only *part* of the responsiblity of a sexually-active couple. I just worry in our "pill-happy" society (USA), this would be seen as yet another "silver bullet" and even open up minds to MORE carelessness down the road. NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH MEN BEING irresponsible or responsible. IT TAKES TWO.

Anyhow, I hope I am understood; no male bashing going on here.

allnurses Guide · Jul 31, 2003

Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy
I think it would work well in a loving stable relationship.

But I'm with Deb. If I were female and active and not in a trusting relationship I would look after myself.

Tweety . . I'm with Deb too . . .but something stood out when I read the above. I thought "Why would you want to share a sexual relationship without a "trusting relationship"?

I was reading a teen advice column in the paper this morning where a girl wrote in saying she and her boyfriend are sexually intimate and he wants her to spend the night at his house but she is afraid because she hasn't told him SHE WEAR GREEN COLORED CONTACTS. Yikes . . you can share body fluids but are afraid to tell someone you wear colored contacts?

I think that is what gets to me . . . you share the most intimate thing two people can share with someone you do not trust for birth control? That is at least emotional suicide.

steph

SmilingBluEyes · Jul 31, 2003

Intimacy is definately defined differently by different people, Stevie. This is why I think yet another "PILL" is a potential disaster. It does NOTHING to address the underlying issues of sexuality and the psyche as well as disease spread.

allnurses Guide · Jul 31, 2003

Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
Intimacy is definately defined differently by different people, Stevie. This is why I think yet another "PILL" is a potential disaster. It does NOTHING to address the underlying issues of sexuality and the psyche as well as disease spread.

Deb . . I agree with you that the woman should be responsible for herself and that this male contraceptive pill issue doesn't address all the things you have brought up. Tweety's comment just struck me funny . . . . . we do need to at least teach our children to respect themselves enough not to enter into a sexual relationship with someone you do not really know or trust. That is aside from the contraceptive issue. I'd still say protect yourself . . .even in a trusting relationship. It is just smart.

But for goodness sakes if you cannot trust someone with the news that you wear colored contacts, why in the world are you having sex with him? :rolleyes:

steph

caroladybelle, BSN, RN · Jul 31, 2003

Excuse me if what I related about previous relationships and experiences, seems male bashing - but what I related was the truth.

If women don't use contraception appropriately with as long as that has been on the market, and the fact that most of us see an MD to check the equipment and instruct us in contraceptive use, what luck are we going to have with men which (as confirmed by national statistics) rarely see an MD or even have a personal MD.

When I see medical statistics on men that demonstrate that they are attempting to live same healthy lives and have regular reproductive checkups to the SAME EXTENT that women do, then you can call it "male bashing". But until that day, consider it merited criticism.

And quite frankly, I trust G-d, it's everyone else (including me!) that I am iffy on.

Especially when sex enters the picture

Tilleycs · Jul 31, 2003

Excuse me if what I related about previous relationships and experiences, seems male bashing - but what I related was the truth.

No, what you related was your opinion - the "truth" as seen by you based on experience.

If women don't use contraception appropriately with as long as that has been on the market, and the fact that most of us see an MD to check the equipment and instruct us in contraceptive use, what luck are we going to have with men which (as confirmed by national statistics) rarely see an MD or even have a personal MD.

I get my yearly physical, and I go when I start developing my yearly sinus infection(s). Other than that, thankfully, I'm healthy 99% of the time. I don't need to go to the doctor for anything. Would you rather us go to the doctor more so we statistically catch up? Would that make you feel better? How much sense would that make?

When I see medical statistics on men that demonstrate that they are attempting to live same healthy lives and have regular reproductive checkups to the SAME EXTENT that women do, then you can call it "male bashing". But until that day, consider it merited criticism.

Fair enough, but it's a shame that you generalize things as being true of EVERY man on the planet just because of statistics you've seen in a newspaper or on the net. Easy to do, but shallow at the same time.

And how would you respond if the guys here started listing all the "merited criticisms" there are (or have seen national statistics on) for women? I don't do stuff like that, because I don't like it done to me. And what purpose would it serve? What good would come of it?

caroladybelle, BSN, RN · Jul 31, 2003

Originally posted by caroladybelle
Yes, I think that it is lovely idea for men to have other contraceptive options.

But would I trust a man's word that he was using it appropriately and reliably..............that I would have my doubts.

I have had enough arguments over condom use (if they knew that I was using something, they didn't want to use a condom - I believe in both partners being protected). I have dated plenty of book smart men that couldn't balance a checkbook, couldn't sort clothes for the laundry (denim blue underwear and shrunken sweaters), and couldn't figure that metal does not go in the microwave. I had to make sure that the epileptic took his meds - he kept "forgetting".

Uhh, would you like me to mail you the denim blue panties, bras????

And would you like me to mail you the shrunken sweaters as proof of the "truth" of my statements.

And would you care for me to dig up the bank statements, and the lab results for dilantin levels, it might take some time but I am sure that probably do that, for you.

There is "truth" in those - overdrawn is overdrawn, etc.

And as I referred specifically to men that I dated, I did not "generalize" to all men.

But I also don't feel like starting a P^&*ing (urination) contest with you. Because If you are male, you probably have a tad better aim than I .

But then I am generalizing all men as having better urination aim than women. And that would be wrong.

And I, too, am...darned..sick of people starting (urination) contests over issues....instead of discussing them.