Let's Ban the Phrase "I'll Go Get Your Nurse"

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I discovered something about myself this week: I hate the phrase "I'll go get your nurse." I also have a similar disdain for the phrase "I'll have your nurse take care of it." They're simple, innocent enough phrases, but their implications are loud and clear.

G, a co-worker and CM, stopped in to see my patient to discuss matters pertaining to discharge. While speaking to the patient and his daughter, the daughter requested that the patients' vital signs be re-checked as she's worried about his condition. V, my PCA, happened to be in that room, organizing supplies. G exits the patient's room, spends approximately 10 minutes (per her report) looking for me, and once she finally is able to spot me, says this: "Mr. __ 's daughter would like his vital signs re-checked. Can you do that when you have a minute?" ...

I pause for a minute and decide I have two ways to handle this: I can either endorse the theory that the nurse is *the* essential personnel and all issues/requests big and small (and tedious) ought be reported to her so she can carry out the request, or I can begin holding other members of the health care team accountable for the things which they are effectively able to delegate and/or take care of themselves. I choose the latter.

I say to G: "V is in the room organizing supplies. Could you please let her know?" G stares at me, stunned, and is unable to form a sentence for a minute. When she finally collects herself, she says, "Well, you're the nurse, why can't YOU do it?" I politely explain that a vital signs check is an appropriate task to delegate and at the moment I am taking care of a nursing responsibility that only I am able to complete. G stands there for a few more moments and then turns back around to finish her conversation with two other staff members, and I finally resign to the fact that my subtle message has fallen on deaf ears. I sign, find V, and ask her to please re-check the vital signs.

This, while a small and isolated issue, represents a larger problem. It is my belief that ancillary staff (those unlicensed) and other members of the health care team (including CM, SW, MD, RD, PT, and OT) should be able/willing to assist with requests presented to them that require a) little time to do, b) no nursing experience or license, and c) are appropriate to delegate to another person. I do realize that as an RN I represent the center of the patient's entire care experience, but I refute the idea that the nurse ought to be preoccupied with obtaining ginger ale's, extra pillows, changing the television station, or obtaining a telephone. As you're expecting me to carry out these menial, easily delegated tasks, I am often in the middle of more serious issues such as stabilizing a blood pressure, inserting a new IV, re-assessing a patient that has fallen, or being present with a physician to discuss end-of-life issues. Why has it become unacceptable to hold other staff members accountable for the things they are able to do?

It's the age old concept: nurses' can do everyone else's job (except portions of an MD's occupation), but not all staff can do a nurses' job. However, in the era of patient satisfaction surveys being tied to re-imbursement, nurses struggle day-to-day to provide safe, competent care while also balancing the needs (and often demands) for miscellaneous items that do not contribute to the overall picture. In nursing school, delegation is stressed to the maximum, as way to assist the patient in obtaining those "creature comforts," while also respecting the nurses' right to focus on the nursing care plan, perform interventions, re-evaluate those interventions, and document accordingly. While it seems as though I am suggesting that the nurses' time is more valuable than that of other ancillary staff, that is not the case. My point is simply that when an ASA receives a call over the call light system for an extra blanket, a box of tissues, and a magazine, he/she is capable of providing those items so that the nurse can carry out nursing-specific tasks that cannot be delegated.

As I step off my soapbox, I'm interested to hear the thoughts of others. Do you feel frustrated when pulled to perform tasks that are easily able to be performed by the person requesting your attention? How do you balance the demand to do all things related to the patient with ensuring the important nursing-only tasks are carried out? Is this isolated or does this happen in your environment as well?

I wonder if the poster is fully aware of what a HUC actually does. When you expect me to 'take care' of the patient's 'fluffier' needs, I am missing the call from the specialist who I've paged three times. I can't get your patient a Ginger Ale and prepare a patient for transport or facilitate an admission. I am more than happy to help out in any way I can, but not when I am performing tasks that I can't delegate or are time sensitive. Just like an RN there are things that I do that can't be delegated to other team members.

As to your frustration over the phrase 'I'll get your Nurse' most people say that because we don't know who will be available to assist the patient. It may be a CNA , or a Tech, or an RN. We don't have the luxury of time to explain that this is a task that can be delegated to another team member and we will let that member of the care team know. On my unit I always try to suss out what a patient needs when they ask for a nurse, so I can make the best use of the team's time, but some patient's just want 'their nurse' and that's their right.

At my hospital, CM means clinical manager

Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
At my hospital, CM means clinical manager

And to me it means cervical mucous.

Specializes in Med/Surg/ICU/Stepdown.
I had no idea what a CM or ASA were, either.

And I'm sorry I didn't clarify before hand. But what I was referring to above was the snarky, passive aggressive post clearly aimed at me.

Specializes in Med/Surg/ICU/Stepdown.
I wonder if the poster is fully aware of what a HUC actually does. When you expect me to 'take care' of the patient's 'fluffier' needs, I am missing the call from the specialist who I've paged three times. I can't get your patient a Ginger Ale and prepare a patient for transport or facilitate an admission. I am more than happy to help out in any way I can, but not when I am performing tasks that I can't delegate or are time sensitive. Just like an RN there are things that I do that can't be delegated to other team members.

As to your frustration over the phrase 'I'll get your Nurse' most people say that because we don't know who will be available to assist the patient. It may be a CNA , or a Tech, or an RN. We don't have the luxury of time to explain that this is a task that can be delegated to another team member and we will let that member of the care team know. On my unit I always try to suss out what a patient needs when they ask for a nurse, so I can make the best use of the team's time, but some patient's just want 'their nurse' and that's their right.

At my facility, unit clerks do not page physicians. That task falls to the person who needs to get in touch with said physician. As for answering the phones in general, I'm more irked about the fact that the unit clerk will take a break at their convenience, not at the convenience of the staff, leaving the nurses and PCAs to answer the phones and call lights. Someone else can get the phone. It's not exclusive to the ASA. Someone else is not going to start a blood transfusion. That's exclusive to me.

If you aren't sure which person is going to respond, a simple "I'll send someone down for you," is more appropriate. When unit clerks begin allowing patients to summon the nurse to the room, and the nurse then fetches things, and the patient associates the nurse as the ONLY person who can do that.

Yes, you're correct, a patient is entitled to request to speak to their nurse, and I don't mind attending to those calls. But those instances are rare.

I truly do appreciate each member of the healthcare team, but it really does get old to constantly be the 'go to' or 'fall guy' for absolutely EVERYTHING.

Specializes in Med/Surg/ICU/Stepdown.
I understand where you are coming from and agree it's not necessary for an RN to do the BP. Case M

Do you trust the other staff's readings? Would you repeat the BP when you went to see the pt?

I agree that nurses should not have to go getting pillows, snacks, and the like. We are too, too busy with nurse essentials.

I didn't mean to imply that the Case Manager's job to assess the blood pressure, but when you walk by the person whose job you know it is to take a blood pressure, and instead find ME with a bunch of emergent O2 supplies in my hand, that seems ridiculous to me.

The reading comes from a machine. The PCA puts the cuff on the patient's arm and hits the green button, then a blood pressure is generated. Those readings are utilized all the time in clinical decision making, so yes, I would have trusted her reading.

Specializes in Medsurg/ICU, Mental Health, Home Health.
MD and PCA are common. The others not quite so much. CM could mean care manager, case manager, community manager. Different things, all. ASA usually means aspirin to nurses, not secretaries or unit clerks.

Using acronyms that aren't immediately obvious to NURSES on a nursing forum is its own personal form of rudeness.

Ugh I TRIED in vain to upload an "eye rolling" gif.

It failed.

*rolls eyes*

Specializes in ICU, LTACH, Internal Medicine.

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Yes, you're correct, a patient is entitled to request to speak to their nurse, and I don't mind attending to those calls. But those instances are rare. .

We tried this approach (trying to figure out what is needed before paging the most appropriate person), and it failed miserably, on all counts.

"Something beeps...." - clerk has no way to figure out if it is tubefeeding (which was, most probably, left on standby by CNAs who did bath or reposition and then forgot about it and nobody going to die because of it), or it is TPN or Levophed, from which someone very well might die?

"Need water/blanket"/etc. - it is good if patient's CNA is available and knows what is going on. But she might be off floor with another patient, tied up somewhere, on break, etc. If so, forget about strict I/O. Forget about assessment of why that guy wants a blanket when the room is hot as tropical forest. Forget about assessment, altogether.

And so forth... the last straw that broke the management's back was mass complains that "why NURSE did not come to see mom, was my mom's needs so unimportant"? Basically, only one thing the system did work for were minor needs of finding TV clicker or more chairs. Of which, patients can be taught very effectively on admission ("if you need a THING like a chair or ANYTHING for a visitor, ask CNA because it'll probably be quicker. If you FEEL something, like pain, hot, cold, thirsty, hungry, etc., call your nurse"). The formula puts a bit more on nurses but it is quite effective for hypoglycemias and other stuff that needs nursing assessment anyway.

And if you ever get time for that, peek in and observe how many CNAs do blood pressure with correct cuff and correct technique. I guarantee, you'll be shocked.

Specializes in Pediatric Critical Care.
I wonder if the poster is fully aware of what a HUC actually does. When you expect me to 'take care' of the patient's 'fluffier' needs, I am missing the call from the specialist who I've paged three times. I can't get your patient a Ginger Ale and prepare a patient for transport or facilitate an admission. I am more than happy to help out in any way I can, but not when I am performing tasks that I can't delegate or are time sensitive. Just like an RN there are things that I do that can't be delegated to other team members.

As to your frustration over the phrase 'I'll get your Nurse' most people say that because we don't know who will be available to assist the patient. It may be a CNA , or a Tech, or an RN. We don't have the luxury of time to explain that this is a task that can be delegated to another team member and we will let that member of the care team know. On my unit I always try to suss out what a patient needs when they ask for a nurse, so I can make the best use of the team's time, but some patient's just want 'their nurse' and that's their right.

I was with you till the last sentence but I'm not totally sure if that last part sits well with me.

Specializes in Emergency Nursing.

I can see the OP's frustration with different providers being in a room and not offering to help do small or menial tasks when a patient asks for assistance but will seek out the primary RN to do the task (a process that often takes longer than completing the task itself). I can also understand and respect the argument that the other provider might not know if the patient is NPO or not when the patient asks for a drink or may not know if the patient is a 1 or 2 person assist when they ask for help to the bathroom. I think that it is really situation specific and we should try to give our coworkers the benefit of the doubt, especially when it comes to knowing what the level of practice is for other providers. Case in point, I work in the ED and our CNAs can perform phlebotomy, obtain EKGs and V/S among other tasks such as transporting patients and stocking equipment. However, I recently discovered that on the inpatient Med/Surg. units of my facility the CNAs are NOT allowed to perform phlebotomy and this is done only by an RN or a lab tech/phlebotomist. This is just a small example but I understand now that if a CNA came to work in the ED from the inpatient Med/Surg. setting they would not be comfortable performing phlebotomy if they have not been properly trained or educated about that task/function in the ED setting.

To play the devil's advocate on this issue, I will say that I often see the problem of avoiding certain tasks and over-deligating with nurses as well. Another example, nurses in my ED can obtain EKGs because they all have been trained how to do it and it is within the scope of their practice. I can think of a special group of nurses who will never get EKGs on their patients and will go to every effort to delegate this task to the CNAs if at all possible. These nurses will go pacing up and down the halls seeking out a CNA or simply yell from the desk that the CNA needs to get the EKG (even if this causes an unnecessary delay). These nurses will say "I'm in the middle of something", "I'm catching up on my charting" or "This is a task that can be delegated to an aide" as reasons for not doing it themselves.

Now unless there is a new charting system embedded within the Candy Crush app. on their iPhone that they are playing on at the nurse's station then I think they are full of it... :)

I also see this phenomenon occur when it comes to putting patients on bedpans, bringing patients to the bathroom or other "menial" tasks. This is not to say that I don't delegate tasks to CNAs but I only do so when I don't have the time to do it myself because what I am doing can't be delegated (e.g. administering medication, inserting a foley cath). But on the flip side I will help the CNAs when doing other tasks (stocking, transporting patients etc.) when I have spare time even if what they are doing isn't directly for one of my patients. The CNAs that see me doing this and not abusing the power to delegate often go above and beyond to help me and I find that the EKGs for my patients (or other similar tasks) are done for me without even being asked because they know that when I do delegate a task its because I have no other option.

Just some food for thought...

!Chris :specs:

Basically, only one thing the system did work for were minor needs of finding TV clicker or more chairs. Of which, patients can be taught very effectively on admission ("if you need a THING like a chair or ANYTHING for a visitor, ask CNA because it'll probably be quicker.

Here's the problem with this, it probably WONT be quicker, because the CNA/PCT/PCA might have 15 other patients(and their families), all of whom are going to be hitting call lights for anything and everything, and nurses asking them to do this or that...in between checking vitals, I/Os, feeding, bathing, ambulating, toileting, repositioning, checking BGL, emptying tubes and drains, suctioning, ISC, bladder scans, enemas, restocking, labs, EKGs, and on and on and on. PCTs/techs and CNAs are already massively overworked as it is. Every time Id come out of an isolation room after doing a bed bath or something time consuming, id check my pager and buried in between a couple dozen call lights/monitor pages id have 2 or 3 frantic pages from RNs demanding I (insert time consuming menial task).

I have far more responsibility now working as an RT, but I still generally find the job less stressful and more rewarding than my years as a tech/CNA, so I'm not sure dumping EVERY backbreaking or menial task onto already overworked and underpaid CNA/Techs is really the best solution.

In press ganey surveys the techs always got crucified by patients and families, because they never realized the tech had 5 times as many patients as the RNs, so they just assumed the techs were lazy or negligent. I don't know how many times when I started the shift the patient would complain I barely saw the previous tech. A couple times I actually had patients and family chastise me because the poor RN with her multiple patients(3) had to do something while I, their personal patient care tech( I had 16 patients but they assumed I was assigned only to THEM) was probably playing candy crush.

Specializes in SCRN.

It mostly comes from the lay person's POV; I don't hold it against them, they do not know they're offending. I say " I will see them shortly", and dismissed,- I prioritize as I see fit.

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