Let's Ban the Phrase "I'll Go Get Your Nurse"

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I discovered something about myself this week: I hate the phrase "I'll go get your nurse." I also have a similar disdain for the phrase "I'll have your nurse take care of it." They're simple, innocent enough phrases, but their implications are loud and clear.

G, a co-worker and CM, stopped in to see my patient to discuss matters pertaining to discharge. While speaking to the patient and his daughter, the daughter requested that the patients' vital signs be re-checked as she's worried about his condition. V, my PCA, happened to be in that room, organizing supplies. G exits the patient's room, spends approximately 10 minutes (per her report) looking for me, and once she finally is able to spot me, says this: "Mr. __ 's daughter would like his vital signs re-checked. Can you do that when you have a minute?" ...

I pause for a minute and decide I have two ways to handle this: I can either endorse the theory that the nurse is *the* essential personnel and all issues/requests big and small (and tedious) ought be reported to her so she can carry out the request, or I can begin holding other members of the health care team accountable for the things which they are effectively able to delegate and/or take care of themselves. I choose the latter.

I say to G: "V is in the room organizing supplies. Could you please let her know?" G stares at me, stunned, and is unable to form a sentence for a minute. When she finally collects herself, she says, "Well, you're the nurse, why can't YOU do it?" I politely explain that a vital signs check is an appropriate task to delegate and at the moment I am taking care of a nursing responsibility that only I am able to complete. G stands there for a few more moments and then turns back around to finish her conversation with two other staff members, and I finally resign to the fact that my subtle message has fallen on deaf ears. I sign, find V, and ask her to please re-check the vital signs.

This, while a small and isolated issue, represents a larger problem. It is my belief that ancillary staff (those unlicensed) and other members of the health care team (including CM, SW, MD, RD, PT, and OT) should be able/willing to assist with requests presented to them that require a) little time to do, b) no nursing experience or license, and c) are appropriate to delegate to another person. I do realize that as an RN I represent the center of the patient's entire care experience, but I refute the idea that the nurse ought to be preoccupied with obtaining ginger ale's, extra pillows, changing the television station, or obtaining a telephone. As you're expecting me to carry out these menial, easily delegated tasks, I am often in the middle of more serious issues such as stabilizing a blood pressure, inserting a new IV, re-assessing a patient that has fallen, or being present with a physician to discuss end-of-life issues. Why has it become unacceptable to hold other staff members accountable for the things they are able to do?

It's the age old concept: nurses' can do everyone else's job (except portions of an MD's occupation), but not all staff can do a nurses' job. However, in the era of patient satisfaction surveys being tied to re-imbursement, nurses struggle day-to-day to provide safe, competent care while also balancing the needs (and often demands) for miscellaneous items that do not contribute to the overall picture. In nursing school, delegation is stressed to the maximum, as way to assist the patient in obtaining those "creature comforts," while also respecting the nurses' right to focus on the nursing care plan, perform interventions, re-evaluate those interventions, and document accordingly. While it seems as though I am suggesting that the nurses' time is more valuable than that of other ancillary staff, that is not the case. My point is simply that when an ASA receives a call over the call light system for an extra blanket, a box of tissues, and a magazine, he/she is capable of providing those items so that the nurse can carry out nursing-specific tasks that cannot be delegated.

As I step off my soapbox, I'm interested to hear the thoughts of others. Do you feel frustrated when pulled to perform tasks that are easily able to be performed by the person requesting your attention? How do you balance the demand to do all things related to the patient with ensuring the important nursing-only tasks are carried out? Is this isolated or does this happen in your environment as well?

Guys, I'm going to tell you a big secret:

- medical students/doctors usually have no idea how to toilet a patient. The only one exclusion is if they worked in different capacities before.

Just the same, docs only know who is doing what in the unit(s) they work often enough. Otherwise, they have no idea. They also hardly ever communicate with PCAs and, in fact, with anyone else except other doctors and nurses.

Exactly.

In my facility, Drs/Students don't even know how to operate the beds. They don't even know how to turn the bed alarms off or maneuver the side rails, therefore there is no way they could/would ever toilet a pt.

Specializes in Pediatric Hematology/Oncology.

Just the same, docs only know who is doing what in the unit(s) they work often enough. Otherwise, they have no idea. They also hardly ever communicate with PCAs and, in fact, with anyone else except other doctors and nurses.

This actually happens to me all the time. I have to either stop them mid-sentence (which totally goes over well) or tell them I will get the RN for the patient because I'm only a PCA. It's super weird. They can see I'm not an RN on my badge. They frequently don't ask me if I'm the RN and they don't apparently hear me when I tell them I'm only the patient's PCA. Super weird. :wacky:

Specializes in orthopedic/trauma, Informatics, diabetes.

We are working on implementing a "no pass zone" where if someone needs something, you do it. With the caveat that there are some things that need to be confirmed with the care nurse. I will stop an alarming _____ and try to fix it. I can move a tray so someone can eat. I can bring them a drink of water, I can hand them a phone. There are lots of things that we can do that take less time and energy than going to find the assigned care nurse to do it. If I cannot do something, I will do the best I can and personally find the care nurse to tell him/her.

I have had others do it for me and it is a great morale booster to know that you have help. I do the best I can to do whatever I can for pts when I know the aide is busy. It really takes so little effort to make a big difference. The pts appreciate it too.

It's called team work!! It's called common sense!! Yes, there are levels of care assigned to each discipline but we all know that there are areas that overlap. If I'm in a room observing/conversing with a patient why not multitask?? Make the unmade bed the aide didn't get to.....or clean up an accident the patient had, or give a drink, or take to the bathroom to avoid the accident etc etc etc.

Quite often it takes more time to find the person responsible than it does to do it yourself! You are already there! I insist on absolute team work...that every pt is everyone's responsibility..if you see a light you answer it..take care of the call or find the appropriate person..that's everyone's job including mine!! If you pitch in when possible, you gain the respect of all disciplines because you care more about patient care, than whose job it is! When they notice you are right out straight, they pitch in and just do! For example a CNA told me she restocked the emergency cart, got a new O2 tank, tubing etc so I would just have to check it..... not her job! Another CNA re-stocked the top of my med cart with supplies, ice water and juices..and replenished supplies on the RX cart....not her job! It was a 'crisis' day and they all stepped up. Team work makes every day easier for everyone.....Granted the lower level disciplines, mostly, can't do your job.... but they can make your job easier, if you are not 'too good' to pitch in and do 'their' job when the opportunity and time presents.

Specializes in Critical Care, Float Pool Nursing.
I wasn't going to give this response a second thought, but after I thought it over a bit, I'll leave you with this thought:

AllNurses, a nursing driven forum, is typically visited by nurses. The acronyms I used aren't that ambiguous in any setting. In fact, most of the nursing world commonly utilizes acronyms as short hand. CM, SW, PCA, and MD are VERY commonly used terms. Any term that wasn't clear could have been clarified by a simple question. Your reply was rather snarky and unnecessary, particularly since you made a poor attempt to be general by using the term "people," when you clearly meant me.

That is all.

MD and PCA are common. The others not quite so much. CM could mean care manager, case manager, community manager. Different things, all. ASA usually means aspirin to nurses, not secretaries or unit clerks.

Using acronyms that aren't immediately obvious to NURSES on a nursing forum is its own personal form of rudeness.

Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
MD and PCA are common. The others not quite so much. CM could mean care manager, case manager, community manager. Different things, all. ASA usually means aspirin to nurses, not secretaries or unit clerks.

Using acronyms that aren't immediately obvious to NURSES on a nursing forum is its own personal form of rudeness.

Being more concerned with the hairstyles, clothing styles and perfume in a hospital setting is also a form rudeness.

And I never met an ICU nurse (which you claim to be) who did not know the meaning of the acronyms you mentioned.

Hppy

Specializes in Emergency/Trauma/LDRP/Ortho ASC.

This phrase makes me want to beat my head against a wall. A rad tech called my phone one day...they were in my patient's room and they said "we need a nurse NOW." When I use that phrase regarding a physician that means someone is dying. I bolt out to the room and find them standing in the hallway while my patient dry heaves. "She needs a puke bag" they tell me. I pointed to the rack on the wall and told them to hand her one then. Went back to my much sicker patient in the other room. ***. I couldn't even begin to count how many times this tripe takes place on a daily basis.

I'll clarify the vital signs request.

The patient's daughter happened to be an exceptionally anxious individual in spite of having reassurance that the patient was maintained on IVF, not receiving his antihypertensive medication, and on bedrest d/t orthostasis 2/2 activity. His blood pressure had been previously assessed approximately 45 minutes prior to this conversation by myself in her presence. My PCAs are given parameters by me during our huddle that need to be reported to me immediately. V was capable of taking this patient's vital signs a second time in an hour because I had previously assessed them to be WNL for the patient, and the patient was in a safe, secure environment, also monitored on remote telemetry. I used my nursing judgment and decided it was a safe task to be delegated, especially given that the daughter's concerns are often gut feelings unvalidated by objective data. Vital signs (routine or as assigned intermittently by the RN) are acceptable in my facility to delegate to a PCA because I am not delegating to them the responsibility to act on those vital signs, only to perform the procedure utilizing the DynaMap, which they are all trained to utilize during their orientation. The patient's daughter had been instructed about her father's orthostatic hypotension including etiology, the particular reason in his particular case, precautions to take, signs of hypotension, and the current treatment plan. I had done this all in the three days prior to this situation in the time I had spent with this patient. I utilized my 5 Rights of Delegation appropriately.

But ... assuming I hadn't.

Case Managers ARE RNs. They fully understand how to assess a patient for an immediate need for intervention or assessment as well as I do. As an RN not observing any signs or symptoms of distress, it would have been just as appropriate for her to delegate that to a PCA, as PCAs are taught to utilize the equipment and report immediately to the RN.

What I was more referring to is ancillary staff that can do the "run and fetch" portion or assist a patient with paying for television/phone access, etc. Or tending to visitor needs.

I understand where you are coming from and agree it's not necessary for an RN to do the BP. Case M

Do you trust the other staff's readings? Would you repeat the BP when you went to see the pt?

I agree that nurses should not have to go getting pillows, snacks, and the like. We are too, too busy with nurse essentials.

It's called team work!! It's called common sense!! Yes, there are levels of care assigned to each discipline but we all know that there are areas that overlap. If I'm in a room observing/conversing with a patient why not multitask?? Make the unmade bed the aide didn't get to.....or clean up an accident the patient had, or give a drink, or take to the bathroom to avoid the accident etc etc etc.

Quite often it takes more time to find the person responsible than it does to do it yourself! You are already there! I insist on absolute team work...that every pt is everyone's responsibility..if you see a light you answer it..take care of the call or find the appropriate person..that's everyone's job including mine!! If you pitch in when possible, you gain the respect of all disciplines because you care more about patient care, than whose job it is! When they notice you are right out straight, they pitch in and just do! For example a CNA told me she restocked the emergency cart, got a new O2 tank, tubing etc so I would just have to check it..... not her job! Another CNA re-stocked the top of my med cart with supplies, ice water and juices..and replenished supplies on the RX cart....not her job! It was a 'crisis' day and they all stepped up. Team work makes every day easier for everyone.....Granted the lower level disciplines, mostly, can't do your job.... but they can make your job easier, if you are not 'too good' to pitch in and do 'their' job when the opportunity and time presents.

If your aides come to work to work, if they do not take advantage of you, if they don't hide out, sneak away, get on their phones or the internet, great. HOWEVER there are some aides who aren't team players, who resent you for being a nurse or for whatever reason that is not your fault. These latter will come to expect you to toilet everyone, make all the beds, wipe every behind and will never lift a finger to do anything to help you. Been there, done that.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.
I wasn't going to give this response a second thought, but after I thought it over a bit, I'll leave you with this thought:

AllNurses, a nursing driven forum, is typically visited by nurses. The acronyms I used aren't that ambiguous in any setting. In fact, most of the nursing world commonly utilizes acronyms as short hand. CM, SW, PCA, and MD are VERY commonly used terms. Any term that wasn't clear could have been clarified by a simple question. Your reply was rather snarky and unnecessary, particularly since you made a poor attempt to be general by using the term "people," when you clearly meant me.

That is all.

I had no idea what a CM or ASA were, either.

Specializes in OB-Gyn/Primary Care/Ambulatory Leadership.

Using acronyms that aren't immediately obvious to NURSES on a nursing forum is its own personal form of rudeness.

I wouldn't call it rude, per se, but rather more egocentric (using the psychological definition, not the "wow, I'm so awesome!" definition).

Sort of like how RNs in Colorado think that everyone knows what the term "buffcap" is.

It's called team work!! It's called common sense!! Yes, there are levels of care assigned to each discipline but we all know that there are areas that overlap. If I'm in a room observing/conversing with a patient why not multitask?? Make the unmade bed the aide didn't get to.....or clean up an accident the patient had, or give a drink, or take to the bathroom to avoid the accident etc etc etc.

Quite often it takes more time to find the person responsible than it does to do it yourself! You are already there! I insist on absolute team work...that every pt is everyone's responsibility..if you see a light you answer it..take care of the call or find the appropriate person..that's everyone's job including mine!! If you pitch in when possible, you gain the respect of all disciplines because you care more about patient care, than whose job it is! When they notice you are right out straight, they pitch in and just do! For example a CNA told me she restocked the emergency cart, got a new O2 tank, tubing etc so I would just have to check it..... not her job! Another CNA re-stocked the top of my med cart with supplies, ice water and juices..and replenished supplies on the RX cart....not her job! It was a 'crisis' day and they all stepped up. Team work makes every day easier for everyone.....Granted the lower level disciplines, mostly, can't do your job.... but they can make your job easier, if you are not 'too good' to pitch in and do 'their' job when the opportunity and time presents.

See? There's the "too good" attitude. What about the tasks only the nurse can do? And "too good" and race and religion and gender and political views and anything else doesn't even begin to factor in? If I am making beds, who will give my meds? Do my charting, my admissions, transfers, and discharges? Who will get orders from doctors? Who will do all of my work? You know who? Me, myself, and I. And the aides will do theirs because I won't, can't, don't have time. They get breaks, I don't, but I should do their work? Not.

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