Just need to vent and have some encouragement (long)

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My hospital is broke. BROKE. To the point where we're the lowest paid nurses in the area. We can't close cause we're a 260 bed county hospital and the only one around for miles who accepts trauma.

So here's the deal. Our broke-ness has led to a mass exodus of all the "good" nurses- the young, promising, bright nurses who are motivated and enthusiastic. Now the only thing left are the hardened mean old battle axes, the "I have no motivation to go anywhere else so I'll stay here and be miserable and make everyone else miserable" ones and the dumb ones. The morale and team environment on my floor sucks.

I knew this going in from my clinicals there, and still accepted the job because being a New Grad left me with zero options. I felt I had to jump on the first train leaving the station even though it was a broke down rusty old mess. But I had *no idea* how miserable it would make me.

I posted about my preceptor in another thread, so I won't go into detail here about it other than to say that she was horrible, awful, no good and very bad. She sets the tone for all the other nurses I work with: no comeraderie with anyone, wary of "outsiders" and generally unhelpful and mean. Two have stood out as being really awesome, but one of them is currently got her BSN and a year experience so she's being wooed by other places and won't be long until she's gone.

I was lied to when I got hired, saying I'd get cross trained to ICU and ER. Found out that will never happen, the unit supervisor just told me it would happen to get warm bodies in on the floor-- part of the reason we're broke is because of the mass exodus we're having to staff with agency nurses. I was told that during my orientation on days I'd spend at least 3 days in ICU. On my last day of days I asked my floor assistant supervisor (the unit sup is nowhere to be seen, ever) when I would be going over, and I got accused of overstepping my boundaries and then was asked if I really wanted to be there since I was already shopping around for another job. *****?

Our brokeness has led to dirty units. I mean just *dirty* and gross. No staff, no aides, no support. Many times we've had nurses with 5 patients or had the charge carry 4 patients plus act as resource for the LVN plus help a student nurse. Our patients, 9 times out of 10 are on contact isolation from MRSA and VRE cause we care for every indigent IV drug user in the county it seems (it's wintertime, afterall)-- not that I have an issue with that because I think they need care just as much as other people. But can I tell you how many times patients with regular insurance will be admitted from ER post trauma or whatever and the family will insist on having them transferred because "We have insurance, we don't need to be here. The care here is atrocious."

Because of our brokeness, what used to be the ICU step down unit (my unit, aka the Progressive Care Unit) is now just med-surg with tele. They don't want to pay us for being a PCU unit but we still get vented patients, heparin drip patients, dobutamine drip patients, etc. All of the things you'd expect from a PCU unit. So they left the floor the same but just renamed it so they could justify paying us less. So no raises in the past 2 years. None forseen either.

I am smart, motivated, assertive. I ask good questions with very strong rationales, I am intelligent and friendly. This has made me marked with a scarlet A-- they call me aggrressive, a loudmouth, tell me I butt in too much and that I'm trying too hard to fit in. So when I interrupt a conversation about where Nurse X bought her knockoff coach purse to get help because I've never hung blood before or I have a question about why a certain drug was ordered or need help starting an IV, I'm a buttinsky. I get eyerolls, heave sighs. They think I ought to know all of this by now, they think I should be able to handle 4 patients, nevermind that I've never had a vent patient before, nevemind that nursing school left me sorely lacking for experience with jevity feeds or hanging blood (not allowed to do them) and didn't prepare me for all the administrative duties of a floor. But they think I ought to know this by now. And I'm afraid that when I fail miserably on my first day on my own that I'll be ostracized even further because I can't handle it.

Any words of encouragement? I like many others plan to get my year experience and head for the hills because I don't see this getting any better. But to make the next year go by smoothly I am either going to need some serious antidepressants or a crapload of bourbon, or both (haha).

Sorry so long but I needed to vent to people who understand where I'm coming from. My husband god love him is a saint but he doesn't get it.

Thanks guys :)

Legally, your current employer is only allowed to say whether you'd be eligible for rehire or not, they cannot badmouth you.

This is *not* true. An employer can disclose anything about your performance as long as it is truthful. Many will have a policy to only give out limited information to limit liability, but there's no law preventing them from giving out honest information about your performance.

ruby vee everytime i read your tag line about arguing with an idiot i crack up! its one of the best tag lines ever!!

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This is *not* true. An employer can disclose anything about your performance as long as it is truthful. Many will have a policy to only give out limited information to limit liability, but there's no law preventing them from giving out honest information about your performance.

Well, thanks. I was unaware of this because my previous employer stated they could not say anything, except for verify the dates of employment and state whether the person was eligible for rehire. This was not regarding me, but another employee that was fired for false documentation. Maybe it differs from states, as this took place in Indiana and I'm no longer there?!

I am not a nurse yet, I am a student, so I am not claiming to be an expert but I have some thoughts.

-If you know what patients you will have for the following day or week, try and make a schedule of everything that has to be done. During that time if you have need more information on a condition or procedure you can research it. You can never know too much and no one can take your education away from you! Ask yourself "why" is this person on this diet or this med or whatever and dig deeper than what is expected, it will help later on when you take on more responsibility.

-Be at your shift early and set goals. Ex: by this time I will have bathed my pts and given meds... If you get the time consuming stuff out of the way early, you wont be overwelmed if you need to do a procedure your still mastering.

- If you have a question, try to look it up on your own first! If these nurses have been doing this forever, think about how many students they have trained. If you are unsure that you found the right answer when you do your research, double check. Its much easier to ask is "am I on the right track" as opposed to "what am I supposed to do" (not saying you do that, but I've trained people that do that in another field and its quite annoying)

- Remember you are not there to make friends, you are there to work, get experience, a be an amazing nurse! Do your job and don't take it personally if a couple nurses dont love you at first, they sound miserable. My Aunt is a nurse and she said there is always gonna be some mean old nurses, and advised me not to look happy around them as it will **** them off more. lol

- It sounds like some have bad habits, like cleanliness? Take pride in your patients and if you can take the extra steps to ensure the best possible care. Don't let bad habits from others sink in! Think of how you would want your mom to be treated in a hospital, and treat everyone like that.

- Keep looking for another job but make the best of where your at, its all a learning experience. When you do find somewhere better DO NOT badmouth! Canesdukegirl sounds like she got lucky. You can say I am passionate about this specialty and ICU has been a main intrest of study because..., I admire your hospital policies... When I have had to interview after a bad job I would stress what I am looking for: professionalism from staff, strict cleanliness protocols, opportunity for CEU's... You can demand a little during an interview and it looks awesome, if your talking about how much you strive for patient safety! (plus a good interviewer will pick up that maybe your last employer had some issues with pt safety, if you stress pt safety, and will appreciate a crafty choice of wording without putting anyone down). You never wanna burn bridges, trust me I have made that mistake! But don't worry too much, legally they cannot bad mouth you to a new employer.

Good luck and congrats on being a nurse and be grateful you have a job right now!!!! I hope this helps!!!!

This post is exactly why students should be monitored on this site. "If you know what pt's you will have the following day or week...." PULEEZE.. Gotta love the spirit, but hate the darn chutzpah..

Well, thanks. I was unaware of this because my previous employer stated they could not say anything, except for verify the dates of employment and state whether the person was eligible for rehire. This was not regarding me, but another employee that was fired for false documentation. Maybe it differs from states, as this took place in Indiana and I'm no longer there?!

It would be a company policy, not a state law. There's no law that limits them to factual references given in good faith.

What to Do About a Bad Reference - On Careers (usnews.com)

Employment Law in Indiana - Lawyers.com

It would be a company policy, not a state law. There's no law that limits them to factual references given in good faith.

What to Do About a Bad Reference - On Careers (usnews.com)

Employment Law in Indiana - Lawyers.com

Ahhh, I see. Thanks for the insight!

Specializes in Med-Surg.

I'm sure they are very nice people, but outwardly they are cold, abrasive, mean. I don't know how else to describe them than how I did, they're all Nurse Ratchets. I don't know why you're taking this personally, as if I'm calling you out along with them. If you're a seasoned nurse who has kept current with her practice, who is friendly and helpful and pleasant to new grads who would never think to verbally berate someone publicly or arbitrarily be condescending and rude to a new grad then obviously you're not a "hardened mean old battle-axe."

Trust me, I've done the "what am I doing wrong" penance every single day as I leave work. I can't pinpoint a single thing that would cause them to be so nasty right from the beginning, and I am thinking as objectively as I can.

But yes, I have made every effort to be polite, unassuming and very respectful. They are visibly annoyed by my questions, they are outright rude when I ask for further clarification. I try every day to be engaged and engaging, to smile, to not let my frustration appear outwardly.

Nowhere did I claim to be absolutely wonderful, but I'm not horrible either. I'm friendly to everyone, I'm nice, I'm not an idiot for not knowing how to hang blood or that I needed to fax the pneumonia and flu shot screening to pharmacy or because I can't start an IV all the time or because I ask questions. I'm unsure of myself, yeah, so why not be supportive and foster my self-confidence rather than derisive and cold and just flat out mean for no reason?

I'd give my eyeteeth to have even one of those hardened old battle axes I learned from 32 years ago back again. Now, those were some nurses!! They knew their stuff and they just took good care of patients without complaining. A dear sweet RN friend and former co-worker of mine died recently at 82, still working part time!! She had been an RN for 60 years!!!

I get you OP.

Hard to work with people who seem to "not get" that this profession demands mentorship. All healthcare clinical jobs require mentorship. After a few years of experience, it is part of all nursing jobs to mentor those entering the unit.

Those who fail in this, are a liablity to the unit/organization and SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ADVANCE.

Pay them. Find the one who is most skilled. Make a list of the skills you want to master and hire one as a tutor. $20 an hour cash. This is YOUR career and if you cannot obtain the training you need to advance then purchase it.

Pay them. Find the one who is most skilled. Make a list of the skills you want to master and hire one as a tutor. $20 an hour cash. This is YOUR career and if you cannot obtain the training you need to advance then purchase it.

Interesting. But isn't it ashame that she would have to resort to that?? It is a thought provoking concept, though.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
i'm sure they are very nice people, but outwardly they are cold, abrasive, mean. i don't know how else to describe them than how i did, they're all nurse ratchets. i don't know why you're taking this personally, as if i'm calling you out along with them. if you're a seasoned nurse who has kept current with her practice, who is friendly and helpful and pleasant to new grads who would never think to verbally berate someone publicly or arbitrarily be condescending and rude to a new grad then obviously you're not a "hardened mean old battle-axe."

trust me, i've done the "what am i doing wrong" penance every single day as i leave work. i can't pinpoint a single thing that would cause them to be so nasty right from the beginning, and i am thinking as objectively as i can.

but yes, i have made every effort to be polite, unassuming and very respectful. they are visibly annoyed by my questions, they are outright rude when i ask for further clarification. i try every day to be engaged and engaging, to smile, to not let my frustration appear outwardly.

nowhere did i claim to be absolutely wonderful, but i'm not horrible either. i'm friendly to everyone, i'm nice, i'm not an idiot for not knowing how to hang blood or that i needed to fax the pneumonia and flu shot screening to pharmacy or because i can't start an iv all the time or because i ask questions. i'm unsure of myself, yeah, so why not be supportive and foster my self-confidence rather than derisive and cold and just flat out mean for no reason?

are you sure you cannot think of one thing you're doing wrong with your interactions with senior staff? reading your posts closely, i'm wondering if maybe they're trying to foster your independence. i've never met the nurses you describe and it could be that they are all horrible, mean, nasty, rude and condescending and that you really are always polite, unassuming and respectful. but given the way you talk about them here, i'm wondering if some of your attitude isn't sneaking into your interactions with those experienced nurses.

as a seasoned nurse, i can tell you that my idea of being supportive may not be the same as yours . . . and that your idea of being consistently polite, respectful, nice and smart is probably not the same as mine. as i've suggested before (in your other thread, i think) the best thing you can do is talk to those other nurses, one on one, and find out how they perceive your interactions with them, your progress as a nurse and the way you ask questions. someone gave me that advice when i was a new nurse -- and taking it was one of the best things i ever did.

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