Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
Yes! The Reublicans are using the terrible economy as their campaign points. Enflating it(pun not intended) and exploiting it for their political benefit.
And in my opinion, the Democrats are enflating and exploiting Jan.6 to prevent Trump from running again or to attempt to get as many people as possible to hear what happened Jan.6 . Presenting info that is already known with selective video editing and production and reading statements and tweets not in their entirety.
We all know this committee will not result in any criminal charges against Trump or any formal sanction. Just like the impeachments and Russian Collusion. This is not the point. The point is for people to hear all of it as much as possible(hence blanket prime time broadcasting) knowing there will be no formal process or formal defense. As long as some people hear it, some people will believe it and hopefully that will reflect in the primaries and in 2024. Does anyone believe this committee will be successful in making either Republicans or Democrats change their mind on Trump?
Where as it is usual and expected that political parties will make certain topics a focus in their campaigns, this, in my opinion is a deceitful dishonest tactic
That being said, I will still consider any credible, as least bias evidence as possible. I have not watched today's committee. Has there been any evidence that we have not already heard?
These are the official hearings, before was the gathering of evidence and yes much of that was leaked so there really isn't any smoking gun. But what we knew leading up to the hearings and what we are hearing at the hearings is appalling.
They have come to their conclusions based on many interviews and are presenting their conclusions in as concise a manner that highlights those conclusions. I'd have to trust that they aren't biased in in their conclusions. They aren't making up these conclusions and presenting them in a way that proves a false narrative. They came to these conclusions over a long period of investigation.
No, I don't think anything will happen to Trump. I don't even think this will convince him or his followers not to have him run in 2024. In fact nothing makes him stronger in his base than to have people go after him.
We've discussed the impeachment many times here and even Republicans agree he committed offenses but just not enough to remove him from office. I don't think the democrats were biased then either.
As far as collusion goes the conclusion was there wasn't any. I had to trust the investigation and the results. I don't think the investigation was biased either.
I think there are legitimate concerns about Trump that warranted the investigations that he's endured and he's no victim of democrats making things up and being biased, even if he wasn't removed from office or proven that there was collusion.
He's directly responsible for January 6th and destroying the legitimate democratic process that has existed her several hundred years. Even if there were "irregularities" like there always are.
We wouldn't be having this conversation is he acted like a patriot and accepted his defeat.
Having him run for President in 2024 would insult me and sicken me to my very core. But I said a few years ago I've lost faith in America anyway and as the years have gone by I haven't had that faith restored.
These are the official hearings, before was the gathering of evidence and yes much of that was leaked so there really isn't any smoking gun. But what we knew leading up to the hearings and what we are hearing at the hearings is appalling.
They have come to their conclusions based on many interviews and are presenting their conclusions in as concise a manner that highlights those conclusions. I'd have to trust that they aren't biased in in their conclusions. They aren't making up these conclusions and presenting them in a way that proves a false narrative. They came to these conclusions over a long period of investigation.
No, I don't think anything will happen to Trump. I don't even think this will convince him or his followers not to have him run in 2024. In fact nothing makes him stronger in his base than to have people go after him.
We've discussed the impeachment many times here and even Republicans agree he committed offenses but just not enough to remove him from office. I don't think the democrats were biased then either.
As far as collusion goes the conclusion was there wasn't any. I had to trust the investigation and the results. I don't think the investigation was biased either.
I think there are legitimate concerns about Trump that warranted the investigations that he's endured and he's no victim of democrats making things up and being biased, even if he wasn't removed from office or proven that there was collusion.
He's directly responsible for January 6th and destroying the legitimate democratic process that has existed her several hundred years. Even if there were "irregularities" like there always are.
We wouldn't be having this conversation is he acted like a patriot and accepted his defeat.
Having him run for President in 2024 would insult me and sicken me to my very core. But I said a few years ago I've lost faith in America anyway and as the years have gone by I haven't had that faith restored.
These are the official hearings, before was the gathering of evidence and yes much of that was leaked so there really isn't any smoking gun. But what we knew leading up to the hearings and what we are hearing at the hearings is appalling.
They have come to their conclusions based on many interviews and are presenting their conclusions in as concise a manner that highlights those conclusions. I'd have to trust that they aren't biased in in their conclusions. They aren't making up these conclusions and presenting them in a way that proves a false narrative. They came to these conclusions over a long period of investigation.
No, I don't think anything will happen to Trump. I don't even think this will convince him or his followers not to have him run in 2024. In fact nothing makes him stronger in his base than to have people go after him.
We've discussed the impeachment many times here and even Republicans agree he committed offenses but just not enough to remove him from office. I don't think the democrats were biased then either.
As far as collusion goes the conclusion was there wasn't any. I had to trust the investigation and the results. I don't think the investigation was biased either.
I think there are legitimate concerns about Trump that warranted the investigations that he's endured and he's no victim of democrats making things up and being biased, even if he wasn't removed from office or proven that there was collusion.
He's directly responsible for January 6th and destroying the legitimate democratic process that has existed her several hundred years. Even if there were "irregularities" like there always are.
We wouldn't be having this conversation is he acted like a patriot and accepted his defeat.
Having him run for President in 2024 would insult me and sicken me to my very core. But I said a few years ago I've lost faith in America anyway and as the years have gone by I haven't had that faith restored.
Good points. I watched thevfirst one with an expectation of some actual evidence. However I cannot take anything seriously of a committee that is composed of mostly democrats and 2 Republicans that never supported Trump and have been forthcoming with that fact. It's set up so it can be said, "a select committee of both Democrat and Republicans found that Trump............"
It's hard to take it seriously when the video of Trumps speech was not played in its entirety. Ptetty much within the first hour. The part "peacefully and patriotically make you voices heard" was not included.
Then Liz Cheney read a tweet from Trump , it's displayed on a giant monitor behind her and she reads everything but the last sentence.
Not to mention the first comments by the first speaker(not.remebering his name at the moment) invoked slavery, racism etc etc. Then makes a suggestion that Jan. 6 was just as bad if not worse. Well if he thinks hanging people by trees, linching and slave labour is worse.... You know what? I just can't......
Good points. I watched thevfirst one with an expectation of some actual evidence. However I cannot take anything seriously of a committee that is composed of mostly democrats and 2 Republicans that never supported Trump and have been forthcoming with that fact. It's set up so it can be said, "a select committee of both Democrat and Republicans found that Trump............"
It's hard to take it seriously when the video of Trumps speech was not played in its entirety. Ptetty much within the first hour. The part "peacefully and patriotically make you voices heard" was not included.
Then Liz Cheney read a tweet from Trump , it's displayed on a giant monitor behind her and she reads everything but the last sentence.
Not to mention the first comments by the first speaker(not.remebering his name at the moment) invoked slavery, racism etc etc. Then makes a suggestion that Jan. 6 was just as bad if not worse. Well if he thinks hanging people by trees, linching and slave labour is worse.... You know what? I just can't......
I think we both have exaughsted our points.
Cherry picked "evidence". Heavily edited videos and a hearing that requires a TV News executive to choreograph. This is more of a mockumentary than anything else. They can only get 19 million viewers in primetime on all major networks. Typical distraction from the failures of the American people the Democrats have created.
Cherry picked "evidence". Heavily edited videos and a hearing that requires a TV News executive to choreograph. This is more of a mockumentary than anything else. They can only get 19 million viewers in primetime on all major networks. Typical distraction from the failures of the American people the Democrats have created.
Yep, except rank and file are too broke trying to pay for gas and food, and trying to find baby formula to care about a mostly peaceful gathering at the Capitol building on 1/6.
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Yep, except rank and file are too broke trying to pay for gas and food, and trying to find baby formula to care about a mostly peaceful gathering at the Capitol building on 1/6.
Sure... just an example of "legitimate political discourse".
That whitwashing of the serious attempt to undo the election results of 2020 is exemplary of how dangerous this life based political movement of Trumpism actually is. You apparently like Trump more than you like our republic and you aren't alone.
That 20 million people watched the first night of the hearings shows that people do care about what happened and how it happened even if it was "mostly peaceful".
Trump tried to subvert the election by claiming he won and that Biden won through fraud.
The steadfast intractability of people's belief in Trump despite this is stunning to me but expected. They are unshakable. Like he said he could walk up and murder someone and his supporters would still vote for him.
I don't think this is background noise for some people, it's an important issue. But I would agree that first and foremost on people's minds is what seems to be out of control inflation and shortages of important things like formula and even tampons.
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These are the official hearings, before was the gathering of evidence and yes much of that was leaked so there really isn't any smoking gun. But what we knew leading up to the hearings and what we are hearing at the hearings is appalling.
They have come to their conclusions based on many interviews and are presenting their conclusions in as concise a manner that highlights those conclusions. I'd have to trust that they aren't biased in in their conclusions. They aren't making up these conclusions and presenting them in a way that proves a false narrative. They came to these conclusions over a long period of investigation.
No, I don't think anything will happen to Trump. I don't even think this will convince him or his followers not to have him run in 2024. In fact nothing makes him stronger in his base than to have people go after him.
We've discussed the impeachment many times here and even Republicans agree he committed offenses but just not enough to remove him from office. I don't think the democrats were biased then either.
As far as collusion goes the conclusion was there wasn't any. I had to trust the investigation and the results. I don't think the investigation was biased either.
I think there are legitimate concerns about Trump that warranted the investigations that he's endured and he's no victim of democrats making things up and being biased, even if he wasn't removed from office or proven that there was collusion.
He's directly responsible for January 6th and destroying the legitimate democratic process that has existed her several hundred years. Even if there were "irregularities" like there always are.
We wouldn't be having this conversation is he acted like a patriot and accepted his defeat.
Having him run for President in 2024 would insult me and sicken me to my very core. But I said a few years ago I've lost faith in America anyway and as the years have gone by I haven't had that faith restored.