Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
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1 hour ago, Tweety said:
That 20 million people watched the first night of the hearings shows that people do care about what happened and how it happened even if it was "mostly peaceful".
Trump tried to subvert the election by claiming he won and that Biden won through fraud.
The steadfast intractability of people's belief in Trump despite this is stunning to me but expected. They are unshakable. Like he said he could walk up and murder someone and his supporters would still vote for him.
I don't think this is background noise for some people, it's an important issue. But I would agree that first and foremost on people's minds is what seems to be out of control inflation and shortages of important things like formula and even tampons.
Yep... and the corrupt Republicans will use that hardship and distraction to undermine our republic to insure that they gain and maintain power regardless of the popular vote. That's what they are doing now, spreading election lies and legalizing the ability to steal elections. Apparently honest Republicans will just try not to rock the boat and pretend that it's all normal politics. Everyone does it. Both sides.
Probably not edited video and selective cut short tweets or things like that.
Probably something that is objective, not represented by democrats (mainly) and can be coraborated with documents and actual action taken against Trump.
Yes evidence would be acceptable. I actively try and find evidence of information to disprove my own opinion. There are very few things that I have found to date and in fact this is how I changed my dislike and impressions for Trump when he first took office. The more and more fantastical claims I heard about Trump was what triggered me to my own research. I've said this before, it isn't always the context of information, is how and by who it is represented and presented.
So you will believe evidence presented by a committee of Trump supporters? And you want to review the entire testimony of more than 800 interviews and review the thousands of documents before you are willing to believe that the former president attempted to stop the peaceful transition of power?
Yep... and the corrupt Republicans will use that hardship and distraction to undermine our republic to insure that they gain and maintain power regardless of the popular vote. That's what they are doing now, spreading election lies and legalizing the ability to steal elections. Apparently honest Republicans will just try not to rock the boat and pretend that it's all normal politics. Everyone does it. Both sides.
While I do think the poster that brought it up did so as a distraction from the topic, I can't say I blame Republican politicians for using inflation against Biden. It's just what politicians do. Obama won on the heels of the Great Recession.
I am frustrated that Republicans haven't dropped Trump the way they did Nixon back in the day. He should not have a voice, much less be a sought after endorsement, much less have them believing he won the election.
I think that Americans can be angry and concerned about inflation and be attuned to these hearings as well.
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1 hour ago, Tweety said:
While I do think the poster that brought it up did so as a distraction from the topic, I can't say I blame Republican politicians for using inflation against Biden. It's just what politicians do. Obama won on the heels of the Great Recession.
I am frustrated that Republicans haven't dropped Trump the way they did Nixon back in the day. He should not have a voice, much less be a sought after endorsement, much less have them believing he won the election.
I think that Americans can be angry and concerned about inflation and be attuned to these hearings as well.
Republicans are hoping that they cannot.
The lack of moral or ethical courage among republican leadership when it comes to Trump is telling. This is a political movement of dishonesty and willingness to undo our republic. It's no longer just about Trump.
Sure... just an example of "legitimate political discourse".
That whitwashing of the serious attempt to undo the election results of 2020 is exemplary of how dangerous this life based political movement of Trumpism actually is. You apparently like Trump more than you like our republic and you aren't alone.
I'll take mean tweets and great economy over what we have now. I suspect the vast majority of the voters that voted for the Biden clown car have buyers remorse or just flat out lie and say they didn't vote for him. Biden has more dead from Covid while having a working vaccine than Trump had with no vaccine.
The lack of moral or ethical courage among republican leadership when it comes to Trump is telling. This is a political movement of dishonesty and willingness to undo our republic. It's no longer just about Trump.
No one cares about January 6th except Dems who are going to be trounced in November. A rowdy protest that was mostly peaceful no one cares about. Those that cause problems are being dealt with through the courts. The only person to die was a unarmed protester by a rogue cop with multiple past issues at his job.
Yep... and the corrupt Republicans will use that hardship and distraction to undermine our republic to insure that they gain and maintain power regardless of the popular vote. That's what they are doing now, spreading election lies and legalizing the ability to steal elections. Apparently honest Republicans will just try not to rock the boat and pretend that it's all normal politics. Everyone does it. Both sides.
This is the exact extreme rhetoric I referred to in other posts.
As it is, we are free to believe anything we wish. Are you suggesting that we need to monitor thoughts? "Some still think Trump won the election"?
I may be inclined to suggest that if Trump said the things you say about republican and God forbid if someone was attacked because of what he said, I would imagine you yourself would be inciting violence against our democratic republic.
How is suggesting that half our democratic republic is "spreading lies and undermining our republic to ensure they gain power....." not trying to undermines our republic which has included Republican through our entire history and infact is a fundamental part of it? What do you propose? Arrest them all and send them to gitmo without due process? Have a Jan.6 committee on the entire party complete with no rebuttal?
You talk about extremism allot and yet your words reflect extremism in of themselfs
And the electoral college has been around for centuries and valued when it was in Democratic favor,not to mention the filibuster.
Go ahead and "strawman,deflect, emotial right wing extremism " me in your reply all you want.
No one cares about January 6th except Dems who are going to be trounced in November. A rowdy protest that was mostly peaceful no one cares about. Those that cause problems are being dealt with through the courts. The only person to die was a unarmed protester by a rogue cop with multiple past issues at his job.
I feel that she was unarmed, probably couldn't hear the officer and the fact she was Republican and the color of her skin made her life and death not matter as much. In my opinion.
However it was her choices that put her at the risk in the first place. Which conveniently only applies to her by some. And not others depending on their political party and skin color.
Yep, except rank and file are too broke trying to pay for gas and food, and trying to find baby formula to care about a mostly peaceful gathering at the Capitol building on 1/6.
Don't you read newspapers? The economy is galloping and one reason is that people are spending the money they didn't spend during the pandemic. It's one of the factors that is increasing inflation. I haven't read any medical news that any baby had died because of the lack of formula. On the contrary, pediatricians are recommending that some babies can actually be off the formulas and go to cow's milk for two weeks. It's not the holocaust that the Republicans make the economy out to be. At least, we can even BUY gas any day of the week. You must be very young. A lot of us can remember the 70's when we were assigned days of the week to be able to fill up, depending on whether your license plate us odd or ever. Public schools invented the "Winter break" because we didn't have enough oil to keep them open. We've been through multiple shortages but just didn't get any SMARTER about doing what it takes to be energy independent because the oil companies rule! The Biden administration has released oaver 9,100 drilling permits but the oil producers are biding their time to see if it's worth spending the money to start drilling. If they suddenly changed their minds and decided to go ahead and open these fields up, it would still take about two years before you'd see any of that coming into your tank. If the oil companies really wanted to increase oil production, they would have started in 2021 when the permits were released.
Don't you read newspapers? The economy is galloping and one reason is that people are spending the money they didn't spend during the pandemic. It's one of the factors that is increasing inflation. I haven't read any medical news that any baby had died because of the lack of formula. On the contrary, pediatricians are recommending that some babies can actually be off the formulas and go to cow's milk for two weeks. It's not the holocaust that the Republicans make the economy out to be. At least, we can even BUY gas any day of the week. You must be very young. A lot of us can remember the 70's when we were assigned days of the week to be able to fill up, depending on whether your license plate us odd or ever. Public schools invented the "Winter break" because we didn't have enough oil to keep them open. We've been through multiple shortages but just didn't get any SMARTER about doing what it takes to be energy independent because the oil companies rule! The Biden administration has released oaver 9,100 drilling permits but the oil producers are biding their time to see if it's worth spending the money to start drilling. If they suddenly changed their minds and decided to go ahead and open these fields up, it would still take about two years before you'd see any of that coming into your tank. If the oil companies really wanted to increase oil production, they would have started in 2021 when the permits were released.
Why would any oil company want to attempt to drill for oil when this administration has attacked oil companies on a daily basis? Biden's own words saying he wants to make sure we don't use any oil or gas period. If you think an economy can recover with fuel prices are this high is just fantasy. Recession next year that is going to make 2007 look like child's play.
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33 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:
This is the exact extreme rhetoric I referred to in other posts.
As it is, there is we are free to believe anything we wish. Are you suggesting that we need to monitor thoughts? "Some still think Trump won the election?
I may be inclined to suggest that if Trump said the things you say about republican and God forbid if someone was attacked because of what he said, I would imagine you yourself would be inciting violence against our democratic republic.
How is suggesting that half our democratic republic is "spreading lies and undermining our republic to ensure they gain power....." not trying to undermines our republic which has included Republican through our entire history and infact is a fundamental part of it? What do you propose? Aren't them all and send them to gitmo without due process? Have a Jan.6 committee on the entire party complete with no rebuttal?
You talk about extremism allot and yet your words reflect extremism themselfs.
And the electoral college has been around for centuries and valued when it was in Democratic favor,not to mention the filibuster.
Go ahead and "strawman,deflect, emotial right wing extremism " me in your reply all you want.
Did I use any words that equate to "monitoring thoughts"? That's just your interpretation.
The logic in the content about incitement is twisted as you try to project Trump's inflammatory speech leading up to 0106 onto me. That seems to be an inclination.
I didn't suggest that half of our republic is doing anything. Corrupt Republicans inspired by Trump's lies are spreading lies and legalizing the tools needed to steal elections away from voters in future elections. I supported that view with a discussion of the republican legislation that has been forwarded in states across the country. Those corrupt and dangerous members of this new political movement do not represent half of our population, they represent a sizeable percentage of the GOP and their voting base. I propose that we vote for democrats until the normal conservatives dissociate themselves from the anti-american right wing authoritarian dishonesty and corruption that has consumed the current GOP.
You support Trump, I'm not surprised that you find my opinions and posts extreme.
The electoral college is currently targeted by the right wing extremists to undermine popular vote results. It's interesting that you opted to interject that into our discussion.
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Yep... and the corrupt Republicans will use that hardship and distraction to undermine our republic to insure that they gain and maintain power regardless of the popular vote. That's what they are doing now, spreading election lies and legalizing the ability to steal elections. Apparently honest Republicans will just try not to rock the boat and pretend that it's all normal politics. Everyone does it. Both sides.