Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
Isn't it? In reality tho, you can make the claimed anything is "hyperbole" ....is is subjective.
And anything can be claimed as rhetoric so saying something is hyperbole or rhetoric are mute as there is no objective standard is makes for terrible debate strategy.
Debate is to win a argument or idea, make others see things the way we see things. The object is to win and rarely anyone does. (I'm guilty as well)
To discuss and listen to each other for a common goal is collaboration, which one represents democracy more?
These communists never learn do they? This BS we're experiencing now is exactly what led to Trump being elected in the first place. We're back to being "deplorables" to the Democrats.
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8 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:
I think it's a coincidence that any conservative who criticizes Trump or attempts to hold Trump accountable magically turn into rinos in the minds of Trump's fans. I think that Liz Cheney is a conservative republican with a solid conservative voting record. But the current Republican party appears to require some sort of political fealty to Trump to be called a republican...so your statement is completely in keeping with that level of cultish behavior and is not surprising. That inability to accept Republicans who won't quietly accept Trump's corruption is rapidly moving the party toward the extreme right.
Exactly. The unthinking adoption of Trump's word definitions and terminology is particularly irritating to me.
For those unaware, a RINO (republican in name only) describes a centrist Republican who often leans toward or votes with policies normally associated with Democrats. Describing Liz Cheney as a RINO is laughable.
It's not surprising that narcissist Trump believes the very definition of Republican is someone who supports each and every one of his uneducated and deceptive claims about anything. Such a philosophy often leads to catastrophic consequences.
Exactly. The unthinking adoption of Trump's word definitions and terminology is particularly irritating to me.
For those unaware, a RINO (republican in name only) describes a centrist Republican who often leans toward or votes with policies normally associated with Democrats. Describing Liz Cheney as a RINO is laughable.
It's not surprising that narcissist Trump believes the very definition of Republican is someone who supports each and every one of his uneducated and deceptive claims about anything. Such a philosophy often leads to catastrophic consequences.
The last time I checked, a "narcissist" doesn't put Americans first like Trump did, unlike Biden who has accomplished nothing and has abused his power to the nth degree in his 50 years in politics.
Yes or no: is our way of life better now than it was late 2019?
I hate to break it to you because you should be aware, but the USD is the world's reserve currency, and the American economy is the largest economy in the world......by far..........so we export inflation to other nations, and when our economy goes south other nations go down with us. global trade makes this effect even more apparent in the modern age. you act as if Biden simply inherited Trump's economy and did "nothing" but ride the coattails...umm, he literally did everything in his power to undue everything Trump accomplished, starting on day 1.
I'm not sure what economic indicators you're referring to, but the steadily rising GDP, down-trending budget deficit, etc is what Trump inherited from Obama, not what Biden inherited from Trump. I do give Trump credit though for at least not messing with the trends he inherited for the first couple years of his Presidency, whether that was through being an adept leader, or an advantage of being an ineffective leader is probably up for debate.
17 hours ago, bunnyandthorton said:
do you honestly think it's just a coincidence that the two "republicans" selected for the committee just happen to be against Trump and RINOs?
What Republicans would you have proposed who weren't also potentially subject to the investigation. As a general rule you don't put people on a Grand Jury who were possibly involved in the crime.
I'm not the one who was pushing Russian-collusion lies for 4 years and supported the impeachment of a president twice over nothing, leading to no convictions against the president. If he caused Jan 6th, then he would have been convicted the last impeachment.
who's the real conspiracy theorist, again?
That's a bit like saying "If OJ had killed anybody he would have been convicted".
the capitol police knew a threat was going to be present on Jan 6th, but bringing in more security needed the approval by Pelosi. capitol police were also at 50% staffing going into Jan 6th....why? and why did she refuse national guard troops that were approved by president Trump?
Trump did not request any National Guard troops for Pelosi to then decline.
The National Guard isn't under the control of Congress, it's under the direction of each state and for the District of Columbia it's the executive branch.
I'm not clear on your general point though, you seem to be saying this was simply a protest, but at the same time Pelosi is at fault for not recognizing that this was clearly going to be an attempted coup and therefore the military should have been out in force.
What is the supposed basis that Babbit was "murdered"?
that's why he said to "peacefully and patriotically march" and "make your voices heard".
He said to "peacefully" march to the Capitol, which they did.
Then when they got there gained entry through rioting and their intent, among other things, was to forcefully make Pence falsify the electoral college results. Trump openly stated that what happened in the Capitol on Jan 6th was what he was expecting to happen, and one of his staffers has testified that he agreed with the goal of hanging his Vice President.
It's one thing to hate Clinton, Pelosi, "libs", etc but it's an entirely different thing to suggest this is all fine.
Clearly making claims about individuals that are intentionally inflammatory and partisan but unprovable, representing imaginative and partisan opinion, can be classified as hyperbole... you don't expect us to take those things you put in your comments literally, do you?
Do you think that using facts and evidence in debate is a standard debate strategy?
I'm not certain what you are asking in your last paragraph, again. I would say that the group that is supporting lies about our elections and making excuses for the intentions of the violent insurrection/coup attempt are not collaborating or representing our democracy.
You should watch the hearing on Monday.
Perhaps selectively editing footage,speeches and tweets without challenge or cross examinations is new way we decided issues facing our "democracy " perhaps we should do it in our criminal courts as well?
I agree with one thing. If Ashley Babbit listened to the officers commands, she would most likely be alive.
Just like almost every other criminal who decided to not listen to police. Why is it different for her? She didn't grab for a taser, throw punches, go after another person with a knife, resist arrest, verbally and physically act aggressively. And yet there is your comment about what she should have done,listen to police......
So what's the difference here? That the color of her skin was lighter? Perhaps she should have been taught how to behave around police whilst committing a crime? This is off topic but this is the blatant hypocrisy rampant in our culture. Open bias and discrimination against another based on race!
I genuinely agree, was Ashley's actions that day contribute to her fate? Absolutely!! She should not have been in a place committing crime and she should have listened to the police. Was it necessary to shoot her? Probably not and probably not for the many police shooting in recent history either. However a direct correlation between behavior and the outcome of a police encounter is very important. Ashley Babbit is a perfect example. Amoung some others.
This was a disgraceful time in our nation's history, those people deserve to be held accountable and I know how infuriating it is to hear but, there were many more peaceful protesters that day than their was rioters.
On that note, do you think there should be articles for dealing with "bad congressmen"? Not trying to diminish the people who were victims that day or emply they were somehow partially responsible for being "bad congressman".
She was a participant in a riot attempting to take control of the seat of the US government, she breached the last secure buffer between the rioters and the House chambers, I don't see how it's even up for debate whether you're going to get shot if you're in the last defensive front before being the House Chambers.
Perhaps selectively editing footage,speeches and tweets without challenge or cross examinations is new way we decided issues facing our "democracy " perhaps we should do it in our criminal courts as well?
We do. That's what a Grand Jury is, the hearings are the Legislative branch's equivalent of a Grand Jury investigation. The accused has no ability to present a defense, cross examine, etc in a Grand Jury investigation.
And you're correct that misleading or false evidence shouldn't be presented, which could include manipulated edits of statements or video, what are you claiming was presented that was false?
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California is done what are we holding onto when we see better lives abroad like Dubia does not tax us the taxes are killing us and seeing the industry in every since cheating to stay afloat the thing is cyber security and we are not safe so think what is beneath the obvious stay safe people and there is a lot to the America’s besides the states we also have Puerto Rico where they need nurses Canada and Mexico just saying work smarter not harder
I'm really looking forward to this. Also experiencing a wave of nostalgia for the Watergate hearings which also were televised in the Summer, and for some reason I found more fascinating than All My Children as a teenager. ?
That's where I learned the meaning of "explicative deleted"!
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These communists never learn do they? This BS we're experiencing now is exactly what led to Trump being elected in the first place. We're back to being "deplorables" to the Democrats.