Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
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2 hours ago, bunnyandthorton said:
I'm not the one who was pushing Russian-collusion lies for 4 years and supported the impeachment of a president twice over nothing, leading to no convictions against the president. If he caused Jan 6th, then he would have been convicted the last impeachment.
who's the real conspiracy theorist, again?
The only people who lied about colluding with Russians were the Trump campaign members who met with the Russians and Bill Barr when he lied about the Mueller report.
It's, sadly, not surprising that you believe that Trump did nothing to deserve impeachment... that's all part of the cult like behavior in this new Trumpian movement that is threatening our constitutional democracy. The sickness is so deep within the republican party that the republican senators said Trump did it in real time and then during the impeachment they fell back to partisan positions and refused to hold him accountable.
I'm not the conspiracy theorist so you must be talking about yourself.
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2 hours ago, bunnyandthorton said:
neither did Trump. he said to peacefully and patriotically march and make your VOICES heard. the mob started before he was finished his speech, anyway. capitol police knew of a threat before Jan 6th, but Pelosi et al did nothing to ensure proper security. Trump isn't responsible for Capitol security, Pelosi is. Trump went out of his way to offer Natl Guard troops, but he couldn't just place them there without the approval of Pelosi and Mayor Bowser, otherwise it would be a violation of law.
You keep talking like you believe that Trump didn't know that the proud boys and oath keepers and other like minded people were going to be there. Why do you think that Trump didn't know?
You keep talking like you believe that Trump didn't know that the proud boys and oath keepers and other like minded people were going to be there. Why do you think that Trump didn't know?
that's why he said to "peacefully and patriotically march" and "make your voices heard".
I think the President can indeed mobilize the national guard. However, in defense of Trump and Pelosi there was no predicting the events that happened. It was supposed to be a peaceful protest and while there might have been some rhetoric about "taking matters in our own hands" who in their right mind would think they would storm the capital. That just doesn't happen in America. By the time it was happening it was too late.
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3 hours ago, Tweety said:
I think the President can indeed mobilize the national guard. However, in defense of Trump and Pelosi there was no predicting the events that happened. It was supposed to be a peaceful protest and while there might have been some rhetoric about "taking matters in our own hands" who in their right mind would think they would storm the capital. That just doesn't happen in America. By the time it was happening it was too late.
I think that the Jan 6 commission is going to lay out the evidence that it was not only predictable, it was part of a larger strategy to overturn the 2020 election results. It's going to keep happening in America until we call it what it is and punish the behavior. IMV
4 hours ago, bunnyandthorton said:
that's why he said to "peacefully and patriotically march" and "make your voices heard".
So Trump did know that those violent groups were going to be in attendance... in your view?
The Pelosi deflection and projection is strong... she didn't invite and incite the mob that targeted her for violence.
Will the security footage exonerate Trump or implicate GOP House members?
There was an investigation into the Babbitt shooting, you just don't accept the results and findings. If she had simply followed the commands of the offucers who warned her not to advance as they pointed guns at her, eh? She broke into a government building and then tried to breach a barrier but she's some sort of a victim in your perspective? Yikes
Yeah... here we are more than a year later and the GOP keep asking these same questions that they told us last year they were going to investigate. That investigation must be of the same caliber as the republican Benghazi hearings and inquires... those didn't answer any questions either but they were great for campaigning and media exposure.
I agree with one thing. If Ashley Babbit listened to the officers commands, she would most likely be alive.
Just like almost every other criminal who decided to not listen to police. Why is it different for her? She didn't grab for a taser, throw punches, go after another person with a knife, resist arrest, verbally and physically act aggressively. And yet there is your comment about what she should have done,listen to police......
So what's the difference here? That the color of her skin was lighter? Perhaps she should have been taught how to behave around police whilst committing a crime? This is off topic but this is the blatant hypocrisy rampant in our culture. Open bias and discrimination against another based on race!
I genuinely agree, was Ashley's actions that day contribute to her fate? Absolutely!! She should not have been in a place committing crime and she should have listened to the police. Was it necessary to shoot her? Probably not and probably not for the many police shooting in recent history either. However a direct correlation between behavior and the outcome of a police encounter is very important. Ashley Babbit is a perfect example. Amoung some others.
This was a disgraceful time in our nation's history, those people deserve to be held accountable and I know how infuriating it is to hear but, there were many more peaceful protesters that day than their was rioters.
On that note, do you think there should be articles for dealing with "bad congressmen"? Not trying to diminish the people who were victims that day or emply they were somehow partially responsible for being "bad congressman".
I think that the Jan 6 commission is going to lay out the evidence that it was not only predictable, it was part of a larger strategy to overturn the 2020 election results. It's going to keep happening in America until we call it what it is and punish the behavior. IMV
So Trump did know that those violent groups were going to be in attendance... in your view?
Most people here they want Trump to be held accountable. Fair enough.
However there is a far left radical ideology that doesn't just want Trump to be held accountable, they want to tarnish and demonize every single conservative by association. They want to establish that if you're a republican,and especially if you vote republican, whether or not you support Trump or don't,seen as dangerous 'insurrectionist" determined to tear down our democratic republic by virtue of being a republican. Perhaps to even completly remove them as a party. You know,to save "our democracy ". This seems to be a pattern in your post where you not only condem Trump, you try to condem anyone who is Republican.
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15 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:
Most people here they want Trump to be held accountable. Fair enough.
However there is a far left radical ideology that doesn't just want Trump to be held accountable, they want to tarnish and demonize every single conservative by association. They want to establish that if you're a republican,and especially if you vote republican, whether or not you support Trump or don't,seen as dangerous 'insurrectionist" determined to tear down our democratic republic by virtue of being a republican. Perhaps to even completly remove them as a party. You know,to save "our democracy ". This seems to be a pattern in your post where you not only condem Trump, you try to condem anyone who is Republican.
That's your imagination running wild...but you are welcome to your opinion.
I agree with one thing. If Ashley Babbit listened to the officers commans, she would most likely be alive.
I genuinely agree, was Ashley's actions that day contribute to her fate? Absolutely!! She should not have been in a place committing crime and she should have listened to the police.
This was a disgraceful time in our nation's history, those people deserve to be held accountable…
However there is a far left radical ideology that doesn't just want Trump to be held accountable, they want to tarnish and demonize every single conservative by association. They want to establish that if you're a republican,and especially if you vote republican, whether or not you support Trump or don't,seen as dangerous 'insurrectionist" determined to tear down our democratic republic by virtue of being a republican. Perhaps to even completly remove them as a party. You know,to save "our democracy ". This seems to be a pattern in your post where you not only condem Trump, you try to condem anyone who is Republican.
How do you recognize a far left radical? Do they wear camo with special patches? Or is just people on this forum who challenge you? Do you characterize the two Republicans on the select committee as part of this far left radical group?
How do you recognize a far left radical? Do they wear camo with special patches? Or is just people on this forum who challenge you? Do you characterize the two Republicans on the select committee as part of this far left radical group?
do you honestly think it's just a coincidence that the two "republicans" selected for the committee just happen to be against Trump and RINOs?
So Trump did know that those violent groups were going to be in attendance... in your view?
I'm not familiar with those groups, especially Oath Keepers. Were they known for their violence or where they known for their threats and rhetoric. In hindsight having more security would have been a good idea.
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The only people who lied about colluding with Russians were the Trump campaign members who met with the Russians and Bill Barr when he lied about the Mueller report.
It's, sadly, not surprising that you believe that Trump did nothing to deserve impeachment... that's all part of the cult like behavior in this new Trumpian movement that is threatening our constitutional democracy. The sickness is so deep within the republican party that the republican senators said Trump did it in real time and then during the impeachment they fell back to partisan positions and refused to hold him accountable.
I'm not the conspiracy theorist so you must be talking about yourself.