Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
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2 hours ago, Tweety said:
I'm not familiar with those groups, especially Oath Keepers. Were they known for their violence or where they known for their threats and rhetoric. In hindsight having more security would have been a good idea.
There should have been more security. Trump made a point to ask for national guard to be on hand for the BLM protests the Summer before. Interesting coincidence. Oath Keepers
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7 hours ago, bunnyandthorton said:
do you honestly think it's just a coincidence that the two "republicans" selected for the committee just happen to be against Trump and RINOs?
I think it's a coincidence that any conservative who criticizes Trump or attempts to hold Trump accountable magically turn into rinos in the minds of Trump's fans. I think that Liz Cheney is a conservative republican with a solid conservative voting record. But the current Republican party appears to require some sort of political fealty to Trump to be called a republican...so your statement is completely in keeping with that level of cultish behavior and is not surprising. That inability to accept Republicans who won't quietly accept Trump's corruption is rapidly moving the party toward the extreme right.
How do you recognize a far left radical? Do they wear camo with special patches? Or is just people on this forum who challenge you? Do you characterize the two Republicans on the select committee as part of this far left radical group?
It's people who have a clear example in their behavior. I'm sure you can figure it out.....
How do you recognize a far left radical? Do they wear camo with special patches? Or is just people on this forum who challenge you? Do you characterize the two Republicans on the select committee as part of this far left radical group?
It's easy really.
"Trump needs to be held accountable for his actions" vs Trump is a Mussolini type dictator with Hitler characteristics determined to become a tyrannical government leader who hates immigrants POC etc etc.... if you are a Republican then you are all those things as well and a danger to our democracy. So we will end the filibuster and stack the Supreme Court. While your at it, if you see anyone from that cabinet, you create a group and you get in their faces......". It's perfectly fine to leek Supreme Court functions and protest outside Supreme Court Justice's homes and threatening to kill them. And then go protest outside their houses right after. You know, to protect our democracy when a function of our democracy was breached by a leak. Oh and if you disagree with any of this,or vote Republican, you are a domestic terrorist that's threating our democracy.
Liz Cheney is over. She is not brave or genuine. If she wasn't already a loser, she wouldn't be doing this but she has nothing to lose. So what's the saying?.....
And yet she has the Republican idea's and values that "threaten our democratic republic" in which Democrats still seem to be okay with....
"Hell hath no furry than a woman scorned, or a new age revision, "Hell hath no furry than a women voted out"?
that's why he said to "peacefully and patriotically march" and "make your voices heard".
But that's not all he said. Do you think that we would be oblivious to your cherry-picking?
Capitol riots: Did Trump's words at rally incite violence? - BBC News
What Did the Hearing Reveal? ( This is from the AP)
Thursday’s House committee hearing highlighted how the Proud Boys were energized by Trump’s comment to “stand back and stand by.” A member of the Proud Boys told the committee that Trump’s remark prompted membership in the group to skyrocket.
But that's not all he said. Do you think that we would be oblivious to your cherry-picking?
Capitol riots: Did Trump's words at rally incite violence? - BBC News
What Did the Hearing Reveal? ( This is from the AP)
Thursday’s House committee hearing highlighted how the Proud Boys were energized by Trump’s comment to “stand back and stand by.” A member of the Proud Boys told the committee that Trump’s remark prompted membership in the group to skyrocket.
Yes. They have repeated all the same accusations over and over complete with a professionally complied video of the most violent parts of the protest. Is that cherry picking? Or the fact that none of the witnesses will be crossed examined. Is that cherry picking?
However, they have yet to disclose the super duper incriminating evidence they say they have. Just repeating in general the something everyone knows.
It's all about feelings and optics, coming to you live and planned to broadcast during prime time on every major news outlet(except one) for your propagandic pleasure.
If Trump did anything illegal, then charge him so it can be determined iin a court of law where he will be he will be given a defense which is every American's constitutional right to have.
However, you proved my point of hypocrisy rampant in the left side of politics, thank you for exhibiting an example in real time for me.
Uh, you’re welcome?
I’m posting from my phone, so I keep my posts brief to minimize typos. However, I don’t really feel obligated to reply to every picayune point in your ranty word salads. And you’ve become rather predictable: any poster who doesn’t wholeheartedly agree with you is labeled a leftist. I think that just pretty well shuts down discussion.
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1 hour ago, Justlookingfornow said:
You simply need to read through these very threads. There is a easy contrast of what I mentioned above.
Sure. Except that I've been reading and participating in these threads for years and am very familiar with the nuances of the dialog, while you are a new member making hyperbolic claims to support your beliefs. That's the relevant contrast.
51 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:
It's easy really.
"Trump needs to be held accountable for his actions" vs Trump is a Mussolini type dictator with Hitler characteristics determined to become a tyrannical government leader who hates immigrants POC etc etc.... if you are a Republican then you are all those things as well and a danger to our democracy. So we will end the filibuster and stack the Supreme Court. While your at it, if you see anyone from that cabinet, you create a group and you get in their faces......". It's perfectly fine to leek Supreme Court functions and protest outside Supreme Court Justice's homes and threatening to kill them. And then go protest outside their houses right after. You know, to protect our democracy when a function of our democracy was breached by a leak. Oh and if you disagree with any of this,or vote Republican, you are a domestic terrorist that's threating our democracy.
Liz Cheney is over. She is not brave or genuine. If she wasn't already a loser, she wouldn't be doing this but she has nothing to lose. So what's the saying?.....
And yet she has the Republican idea's and values that "threaten our democratic republic" in which Democrats still seem to be okay with....
"Hell hath no furry than a woman scorned, or a new age revision, "Hell hath no furry than a women voted out"?
That opinion certainly represents right wing rhetoric well. Hyperbole is a terrible debate strategy.
Sure. Except that I've been reading and participating in these threads for years and am very familiar with the nuances of the dialog, while you are a new member making hyperbolic claims to support your beliefs. That's the relevant contrast.
That opinion certainly represents right wing rhetoric well. Hyperbole is a terrible debate strategy.
Isn't it? In reality tho, you can make the claimed anything is "hyperbole" ....is is subjective.
And anything can be claimed as rhetoric so saying something is hyperbole or rhetoric are mute as there is no objective standard is makes for terrible debate strategy.
Debate is to win a argument or idea, make others see things the way we see things. The object is to win and rarely anyone does. (I'm guilty as well)
To discuss and listen to each other for a common goal is collaboration, which one represents democracy more?
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2 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:
Isn't it? In reality tho, you can make the claimed anything is "hyperbole" ....is is subjective.
And anything can be claimed as rhetoric so saying something is hyperbole or rhetoric are mute as there is no objective standard is makes for terrible debate strategy.
Debate is to win a argument or idea, make others see things the way we see things. The object is to win and rarely anyone does. (I'm guilty as well)
To discuss and listen to each other for a common goal is collaboration, which one represents democracy more?
Sure.
Clearly making claims about individuals that are intentionally inflammatory and partisan but unprovable, representing imaginative and partisan opinion, can be classified as hyperbole... you don't expect us to take those things you put in your comments literally, do you?
Do you think that using facts and evidence in debate is a standard debate strategy?
I'm not certain what you are asking in your last paragraph, again. I would say that the group that is supporting lies about our elections and making excuses for the intentions of the violent insurrection/coup attempt are not collaborating or representing our democracy.
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There should have been more security. Trump made a point to ask for national guard to be on hand for the BLM protests the Summer before. Interesting coincidence.
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