Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
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53 minutes ago, Beerman said:
No, it's not a trial. It's a show, and we're only seeing what the committee wants us to see.
The most glaring example is Cassidy Hutchinson testifying that she heard about Trump pushing a Secret Service agent out of the way. But, we didn't get to hear from the people who would have actually witnessed the incident, did we?
That's your complaint? That the hearings are well produced and it is "a show"?
I'm curious as to why Oranato didn't go on Fox or OANN or one of the right wing podcasts and tell his side of that story, aren't you? Maybe Trump had him sign some sort of non-disclosure agreement as he was prone to require of his close staff. There certainly wasn't any congressional restraint on him to keep his story to himself. Of course, it might not be in his or others best interest to risk incriminating themselves or Trump by trying to play cute with public comment.
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22 minutes ago, MaybeeRN said:
It’s only delusional when Republicans try and usurp a duly elected President. Got it.
Yes, it is pretty delusional for Republicans to attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power and then spend more than a year pretending that it wasn't an attempt to stop that transfer of power or that Trump didn't orchestrate it to benefit himself. That is a textbook example of belief that is contradicted by reality... delusion.
No, it's not a trial. It's a show, and we're only seeing what the committee wants us to see.
The most glaring example is Cassidy Hutchinson testifying that she heard about Trump pushing a Secret Service agent out of the way. But, we didn't get to hear from the people who would have actually witnessed the incident, did we?
I can't disagree because at the outset they said "we are going to show this and that......" and that's how it's slanted.
It's hard to get to the direct witnesses because many of them pleaded the 5th. I do find it difficult that the witnesses that could refute that event didn't come forth, on Fox News for example and say "I was there and it didn't happen that way." or to contact the committee to testify.
I guess this is why they want Trump. To get his side and get talk to someone who was actually there. My issue of course is that he's a known liar.
It's a mess I know and without all that testimony and hours of work there is no way there isn't some mistakes and misinformation. And a lot of heresy.
I just can't believe that it's a "let's put on a witch hunt, make things up and make sure Trump doesn't run for office again".
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Still, the former president appears unlikely to take the legal risk of testifying at a time when multiple criminal inquiries are pursuing evidence of Trump’s and his allies’ efforts to subvert the 2020 election. He has previously declined efforts to testify in congressional inquiries related to his conduct, including the 2021 impeachment inquiry about the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, and select committee members are skeptical that the former president will comply with their subpoena.
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2 hours ago, Tweety said:
I can't disagree because at the outset they said "we are going to show this and that......" and that's how it's slanted.
It's hard to get to the direct witnesses because many of them pleaded the 5th. I do find it difficult that the witnesses that could refute that event didn't come forth, on Fox News for example and say "I was there and it didn't happen that way." or to contact the committee to testify.
I guess this is why they want Trump. To get his side and get talk to someone who was actually there. My issue of course is that he's a known liar.
It's a mess I know and without all that testimony and hours of work there is no way there isn't some mistakes and misinformation. And a lot of heresy.
I just can't believe that it's a "let's put on a witch hunt, make things up and make sure Trump doesn't run for office again".
Trump is responsible for the chaotic mess of January 62021. Trump lied about election theft, starting months beforehand. Trump claimed victory that wasn't his. Trump invited the mob to the Capitol in communications for weeks before the Insurrection. Trump and his sycophants riled that crowd up and sent them to the Capitol building to stop the steal (a lie based strategy to stop the transfer of power). Trump didn't do a thing to hinder or halt that mob attack for a very long time in spite of his own staff (and family) requesting that he take action.
After Democracy prevailed against Trump's wishes on the 6th, Trump's team then set out to use McCarthy to undermine the congressional investigation before refusing to comply with all subpoenas or requests for documents or testimony. Trump even apparently continued with some reasonably obvious witness tampering attempts...again.
Now we understand that the entire time that Trump has been stirring divisions after losing the 2020 election, he was also hiding government secrets and sensitive documents in his Mar-a-Lago basement.
Comparatively, it's difficult to call the Select Committee work a mess, but they certainly are investigating a mess that will plague the USA for years and broke the GOP. Trump is the author of that.
I will add that the Democrats definitely need a better class of competition than the presently deranged Republicans that make the news cycle today.
I am also including a file that I omitted in a previous post regarding the degree of responsibility that Biden's rescue plan should take for increasing inflation. Let's say that their figures are 100% wrong, making the rescue plans responsible for 6% inflation rather than the 3% they suggest. What about the rest? What are Republicans going to blame that on? If you look at the countries with the least inflation, they are smaller and more insular than we are and less affected by outside economies.
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21 hours ago, Beerman said:
No, it's not a trial. It's a show, and we're only seeing what the committee wants us to see.
The most glaring example is Cassidy Hutchinson testifying that she heard about Trump pushing a Secret Service agent out of the way. But, we didn't get to hear from the people who would have actually witnessed the incident, did we?
Oh, I thought she said the story was told to her involved Trump lunging forward and trying to grab the steering wheel. Funny how little details that matter not at all in the big picture get fuzzier in the re-telling.
Does this mean that Trump didn't have a tantrum over his will being thwarted by those he views as his underlings? Because doing that would be so unlike him?
If she was wrong about that, he never told anyone to let his armed mob inside the security perimeter because "they weren't there to hurt him"?
Funny how nobody disputed any of the other alarming comments or behaviors she related, of far more consequence than the particular deflection you dutifully repeated from right wing media sources.
Oh, I thought she said the story was told to her involved Trump lunging forward and trying to grab the steering wheel. Funny how little details that matter not at all in the big picture get fuzzier in the re-telling.
Does this mean that Trump didn't have a tantrum over his will being thwarted by those he views as his underlings? Because doing that would be so unlike him?
If she was wrong about that, he never told anyone to let his armed mob inside the security perimeter because "they weren't there to hurt him"?
Funny how nobody disputed any of the other alarming comments or behaviors she related, of far more consequence than the particular deflection you dutifully repeated from right wing media sources.
The story was about Trump pushing a agent out of the way trying to get at the steering wheel. My leaving that out was a result of me not proofreading my post.
I agree that if that incdent happened, it really was not of great consequence. However, the committee thought it was important enough for her to include that story in her testimony. And it sure did make the headlines that night.
So, why didn't we hear from those who were in the car? Reportedly, they were made available and willing to testify.
Because we're to hear only what the committee wants us to.
The story was about Trump pushing a agent out of the way trying to get at the steering wheel. My leaving that out was a result of me not proofreading my post.
I agree that if that incdent happened, it really was not of great consequence. However, the committee thought it was important enough for her to include that story in her testimony. And it sure did make the headlines that night.
So, why didn't we hear from those who were in the car? Reportedly, they were made available and willing to testify.
Because we're to hear only what the committee wants us to.
The committee does want us to hear what they want to hear. They have an agenda that they stated from the get go. Yes her testimony did make headlines.
On the one hand I can agree with the idea of letting Cassidy say what she heard from the people in the vehicle with the President.
On the other hand if the committee heard from the people actually there that it didn't happen they should have also let that be told.
All we have is "a source" that tells us that it did happen and another source that says it didn't.
No one disputes however that he demanded to be taken to the Capitol and was a bit unhinged. The dispute is whether he jumped at the wheel.
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However, a source close to the Secret Service confirmed to CBS News that Engel and the driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was physically attacked or assaulted by Trump and that the former president never lunged for the steering wheel of the vehicle.
The Secret Service officials do not dispute that Trump was irate or that he demanded to be taken to the Capitol, in the language that Hutchinson related to the committee.
The Secret Service has provided dozens of hours of testimony to the Jan. 6 committee so far, dating back to Spring 2021.
According to the source close to the agency, both Ornato and Engel have appeared before the committee on the record and behind closed doors, at the committee's request. Those sessions were recorded, but not used in Tuesday's hearing.
One of the reasons Trump won't go away and that his followers are more angry and emboldened than ever is because of the Jan. 6th Committee. Interesting.
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Far from loosening, his claim on national attention is as urgent as ever. Far from fading into irrelevance, Trump is now positioned to be among the most consequential presidents of his era. This is largely on the strength of what looks to be the most consequential ex-presidency in American history.
One of the reasons Trump won't go away and that his followers are more angry and emboldened than ever is because of the Jan. 6th Committee. Interesting.
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11 hours ago, Beerman said:
The story was about Trump pushing a agent out of the way trying to get at the steering wheel. My leaving that out was a result of me not proofreading my post.
I agree that if that incdent happened, it really was not of great consequence. However, the committee thought it was important enough for her to include that story in her testimony. And it sure did make the headlines that night.
So, why didn't we hear from those who were in the car? Reportedly, they were made available and willing to testify.
Because we're to hear only what the committee wants us to.
Yeah. Why didn't we hear from them? The Secret Service has a big magnifying glass looking at their leadership and the judgment within the ranks right now, do you understand why?
Why do you think that Tony Oranato didn't make public proclamations about Trump's behavior that day? Do you think that the Select Committee has muzzled him? If so, why?
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That's your complaint? That the hearings are well produced and it is "a show"?
I'm curious as to why Oranato didn't go on Fox or OANN or one of the right wing podcasts and tell his side of that story, aren't you? Maybe Trump had him sign some sort of non-disclosure agreement as he was prone to require of his close staff. There certainly wasn't any congressional restraint on him to keep his story to himself. Of course, it might not be in his or others best interest to risk incriminating themselves or Trump by trying to play cute with public comment.
You know, we might have at minimum had the cell phone text data from the involved agents that day had the secret service not ignored the subpoenas and deleted the relevant data from the devices of the involved agents. Trump's DHS has their fingerprints on that. Do you recall reading that reporting? https://www.salon.com/2022/08/02/cover-up-appointed-dhs-watchdogs-office-told-secret-to-ignore-jan-6-text-request/