It just isn't fair

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Hi hope i don't offend anyone but i'm just a little fustrated.I'm tired of people who don't don't give a damn about nursing but just doing it for the money getting accepted to nursing schools and those of us who are answering our calling and want to be nurses more than anything else always getting put on the back burner(so to speak).I know a lot of people who just did it for the money and quit in a few years time.They could have quit from the start and give us there seat.At least it would have been worth it.Anyone else feels my pain?Sorry if i offend anyone just getting my anger out.

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

Scheduling classes around work is what someone people have to do. And sometimes that means only taking two classes, especially when those two classes are two days or evenings a week, 3 hours per day.

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Originally Posted by LAROSILIERE7

"I totally agree with you>I went to a community college where people would take like 2 courses per semester and get in just because they took their classes bit by bit:they had more time to devote to each course(prerequsite)!!! I attended full time , but didn't get accepted with a 3.55 gpa.AS for your statement, many people who are studying Nursing probably don't even know what Nurses do! I asked a h.s girl what the duty of Nurses were and she said she didn't know!!!She wants to be a RN!!! I really suggest that these people who are choosing Nursing as a second career option or students who don't even know what Nurses do ,butwho are choosing Nursing should leave the seats for people who truly love Nursing and who know what their duty entails!!!"

I'm guessing by now you've gotten an eyeful and hopefully have reassessed your original statements.

Something that jumps out at me from your post is the degree to which you are judgmental of your classmates: if I learned anything from nursing school (and, uh...I think I have), it's that the ability to be a good nurse is simply NOT compatible with a highly judgmental attitude. You are going to see many things in the course of caring for patients that will likely make you angry or upset, but you can't let it interfere with the care you take of those patients. From what I'm seeing in your posts, I wonder if that will be true for you. The one thing I do know is you will be spending a fair amount of your clinical time "chilling out" and being told to reflect inward instead of striking outward. Just consider it friendly advice at this point :)

Something else that strikes me is you come across as viewing yourself in a highly superior category because you "know" what a nurse's duties entail, versus another student. Really? I can tell you that when a lecture professor asked our class, on our last day of class, if any of us really knew what nurses did BEFORE we got to this point, we ALL laughed. She asked those of us who "knew" what nurses really did prior to starting clinicals to raise our hands.....if there was a single hand raised, I missed it! We all learned that we didn't know SQUAT until we'd been in various clinical settings for two years!! So, feeling that you "know nurses' duties" is a joke unless YOU have been in that setting yourself, working hand in hand with nurses....and even then, I'm not so sure.

And, lastly, regarding nursing as a "calling" being a higher qualification for entry level nursing than those who see it as a good match for their personality and competency (and desire for a higher standard of living): absolutely ridiculous. Do people in this day and age really expect that MDs choose to become MDs because of some noble need to serve the poor and sick? Or is it because they knew they were a good personality match and smart enough to succeed in a demanding profession that paid big bucks? Do we really expect MDs to be the stereotype of yesterday, getting paid nothing and providing medical services purely because they "love people"?

Nurses as angelic volunteers or doctor's handmaidens is a thing of the past. If you have a true "calling", I suspect it involves the Clergy. Beyond that, I'm called to use the talents and education I have to perform well in a career that will pay me well, too. I like that I can get work as a nurse anytime, anywhere. And I would never, ever claim that my devotion to a romantic notion of a "higher calling" places me in a more deserving position than someone who is equally talented but prefers to think less sanctimoniously.

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Rns2bRwe-- i totally agree with your post

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I'm guessing by now you've gotten an eyeful and hopefully have reassessed your original statements.

Something that jumps out at me from your post is the degree to which you are judgmental of your classmates: if I learned anything from nursing school (and, uh...I think I have), it's that the ability to be a good nurse is simply NOT compatible with a highly judgmental attitude. You are going to see many things in the course of caring for patients that will likely make you angry or upset, but you can't let it interfere with the care you take of those patients. From what I'm seeing in your posts, I wonder if that will be true for you. The one thing I do know is you will be spending a fair amount of your clinical time "chilling out" and being told to reflect inward instead of striking outward. Just consider it friendly advice at this point :)

Something else that strikes me is you come across as viewing yourself in a highly superior category because you "know" what a nurse's duties entail, versus another student. Really? I can tell you that when a lecture professor asked our class, on our last day of class, if any of us really knew what nurses did BEFORE we got to this point, we ALL laughed. She asked those of us who "knew" what nurses really did prior to starting clinicals to raise our hands.....if there was a single hand raised, I missed it! We all learned that we didn't know SQUAT until we'd been in various clinical settings for two years!! So, feeling that you "know nurses' duties" is a joke unless YOU have been in that setting yourself, working hand in hand with nurses....and even then, I'm not so sure.

And, lastly, regarding nursing as a "calling" being a higher qualification for entry level nursing than those who see it as a good match for their personality and competency (and desire for a higher standard of living): absolutely ridiculous. Do people in this day and age really expect that MDs choose to become MDs because of some noble need to serve the poor and sick? Or is it because they knew they were a good personality match and smart enough to succeed in a demanding profession that paid big bucks? Do we really expect MDs to be the stereotype of yesterday, getting paid nothing and providing medical services purely because they "love people"?

Nurses as angelic volunteers or doctor's handmaidens is a thing of the past. If you have a true "calling", I suspect it involves the Clergy. Beyond that, I'm called to use the talents and education I have to perform well in a career that will pay me well, too. I like that I can get work as a nurse anytime, anywhere. And I would never, ever claim that my devotion to a romantic notion of a "higher calling" places me in a more deserving position than someone who is equally talented but prefers to think less sanctimoniously.

:yeahthat:

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Specializes in Adolescent Psych, PICU.
Originally Posted by LAROSILIERE7

"I totally agree with you>I went to a community college where people would take like 2 courses per semester and get in just because they took their classes bit by bit:they had more time to devote to each course(prerequsite)!!! I attended full time , but didn't get accepted with a 3.55 gpa.AS for your statement, many people who are studying Nursing probably don't even know what Nurses do! I asked a h.s girl what the duty of Nurses were and she said she didn't know!!!She wants to be a RN!!! I really suggest that these people who are choosing Nursing as a second career option or students who don't even know what Nurses do ,butwho are choosing Nursing should leave the seats for people who truly love Nursing and who know what their duty entails!!!"

I'm guessing by now you've gotten an eyeful and hopefully have reassessed your original statements.

Something that jumps out at me from your post is the degree to which you are judgmental of your classmates: if I learned anything from nursing school (and, uh...I think I have), it's that the ability to be a good nurse is simply NOT compatible with a highly judgmental attitude. You are going to see many things in the course of caring for patients that will likely make you angry or upset, but you can't let it interfere with the care you take of those patients. From what I'm seeing in your posts, I wonder if that will be true for you. The one thing I do know is you will be spending a fair amount of your clinical time "chilling out" and being told to reflect inward instead of striking outward. Just consider it friendly advice at this point :)

Something else that strikes me is you come across as viewing yourself in a highly superior category because you "know" what a nurse's duties entail, versus another student. Really? I can tell you that when a lecture professor asked our class, on our last day of class, if any of us really knew what nurses did BEFORE we got to this point, we ALL laughed. She asked those of us who "knew" what nurses really did prior to starting clinicals to raise our hands.....if there was a single hand raised, I missed it! We all learned that we didn't know SQUAT until we'd been in various clinical settings for two years!! So, feeling that you "know nurses' duties" is a joke unless YOU have been in that setting yourself, working hand in hand with nurses....and even then, I'm not so sure.

And, lastly, regarding nursing as a "calling" being a higher qualification for entry level nursing than those who see it as a good match for their personality and competency (and desire for a higher standard of living): absolutely ridiculous. Do people in this day and age really expect that MDs choose to become MDs because of some noble need to serve the poor and sick? Or is it because they knew they were a good personality match and smart enough to succeed in a demanding profession that paid big bucks? Do we really expect MDs to be the stereotype of yesterday, getting paid nothing and providing medical services purely because they "love people"?

Nurses as angelic volunteers or doctor's handmaidens is a thing of the past. If you have a true "calling", I suspect it involves the Clergy. Beyond that, I'm called to use the talents and education I have to perform well in a career that will pay me well, too. I like that I can get work as a nurse anytime, anywhere. And I would never, ever claim that my devotion to a romantic notion of a "higher calling" places me in a more deserving position than someone who is equally talented but prefers to think less sanctimoniously.

:yeahthat:

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i totally agree with you>i went to a community college where people would take like 2 courses per semester and get in just because they took their classes bit by bit:they had more time to devote to each course(prerequsite)!!! i attended full time , but didn't get accepted with a 3.55 gpa.as for your statement, many people who are studying nursing probably don't even know what nurses do! i asked a h.s girl what the duty of nurses were and she said she didn't know!!!she wants to be a rn!!! i really suggest that these people who are choosing nursing as a second career option or students who don't even know what nurses do ,butwho are choosing nursing should leave the seats for people who truly love nursing and who know what their duty entails!!! good luck yo you darling!

i haven't read any of the posts yet...but i hope i'm not the only one who has been offended by this... i am a "like 2 course student" only i'm only taking "1" class at a time. i happen to have 3 children and i am a full-time sahm, my children are involved in dance, soccer, theater, swimming, and gymnastics... not to mention school.... my husband travels across the country 80% of the month and my children are all under the age of 6.

i already have a bachelors degree. i got it full-time too if that makes any difference :uhoh3:.

it just so happens that i didn't know what i wanted to do when i was 18, but now that i'm 32 i do know what i want to do and that is be nurse.

so i'm sorry if my good grades aren't good enough because i only earned them one at a time. i'm doing the best i can to take care of myself, my family and my future career. i'd much rather be taken care of by a nurse who took her time and did well, than by one who crammed it all in and didn't retain a thing.

best of luck to you. i hope you learn to be more accepting of others as you continue on with your nursing career.

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I realize people are frustrated with waiting lists but, the fact is, nobody really knows if they're going to love nursing until they actually do it. Even the best nurses may quit due to high patient loads and lousy working conditions.

Read the new grad forum and see how much they're struggling with the realities of what is a very tough job. If they quit because of unsafe working conditions, does that mean they should have been kicked off the waiting lists and not allowed into nursing school?

:typing

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Specializes in Critical Care.

Personally, if I were deciding on who got accepted, I would place every student that felt nursing is a 'calling' at the end of the wait list.

Nursing needs more nurses that can objectively look at the 'business' end of the profession and act in our own self-interests.

Too many managers and admins use the 'calling' motivation to outright dismiss the need to be fair and equitable in the 'business' of nursing.

Or, as one of my HR managers was fond of saying, "I just don't understand nurses in it for the money."

I was always tempted to add, "I just don't understand HR Directors in it for the money!"

I'm in it for the money. Fortunately, I'm also darn good at it. Financial self-interest and empathy are not mutually exclusive qualities.

~faith,

Timothy.

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Man this thread is on fire. I bet the person who started it left a long time ago...

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Specializes in OR Internship starting in Jan!!.

I think people who are really motivated will find a way to make it work.

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From Timothy: "I'm in it for the money. Fortunately, I'm also darn good at it. Financial self-interest and empathy are not mutually exclusive qualities."

How right you are :)

I was originally introduced to the idea of becoming a nurse the year my youngest was heading to school, by a friend's husband who's an NP. I had just finished explaining one of my kids' rather involved therapy schedule to address his special needs, and he told me that I had a very good way of explaining things so that the average person would understand them. He told me that the majority of nursing was teaching (which I thought was odd, and didn't believe him!). He told me that he thought I would be an excellent nurse and hoped I'd pursue it. I told him that I'd never considered nursing before, never really had any interest before in it. No "calling" as it were. He told me succinctly that if I started hearing "callings" *I'd* likely need nursing care, lol, but that if I looked into it further, I'd see what a good match it'd be. Fortunately, I did just that, since I needed to look for a "job/career/profession" that I could do around my kids' rather extensive schedules, and enrolled in pre-reqs the very next semester :) I The rest is history!

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Specializes in Critical Care.

Nursing has a long and woeful history of a 'socialization of selflessness' (that's a phrase from 'nursing against the odd' Suzanne Gordon). The problem with that is it can be and IS CONSTANTLY used against nurses as the rationale to short-change us. "I just don't understand nurses in it for the money . . ."

What we need is a 'socialization of self-interest'. What's in it for me?

~faith,

Timothy.

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