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Beerman said:

Of course polling this far away isn't indicative of the final outcome.

However, polls are consistently low.  And, he's lost ground in certain demographics that democrats rely on.

While the WH shrugs them off publicly, these polls are worrisome to many Democrats.  Some of them are speaking out. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/axelrod-doubles-down-on-criticism-after-biden-reportedly-calls-him-pr-thinks-he-can-cheat-nature

That wasn't my point.  I pointed about the low poll numbers.  People don't like what he's doing against Palestine and his age.   This isn't news to me.  

I see them pressuring him to call for a cease fire and defunding for Israel and to step down because of his age.

My question was who are these people going to for?

I have a coworker that says she's voting for Trump because he's too old but she seemed only concerned about this and not up to date on Trump's indictments or issues (much like a lot of voters I'm afraid).

I don't see the people in the far left protests going for Trump or even Kennedy.  These people have other concerns such an abortion, book bans, and trans/they-them concerns.   They wanted student loan forgiveness.  These kinds of things.

What needs to happen if they are so anti-Biden and turning against him, I want to see their alternative candidate get some steam and oust Biden.  I don't want them to sit out the election or throw away a vote.    

I personally don't care if Biden gets tossed aside.  I do care that Trump is in the lead and will get the Republican nomination and I'm still pessimist about the state of the American people.

 

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Beerman said:

I'm surmising that only the far-left would use such a horrible nickname, and it's been members of the squad who have been the loudest critics of Biden.  Maybe that's why "far-left" was used as a descriptor.

 

Surmise away.  Currently the only example of the terminology comes from a Fox article.  Can you provide an example of someone on the far left using or publishing the "descriptor" in the way the far right had?

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toomuchbaloney said:

Surmise away.  Currently the only example of the terminology comes from a Fox article.  Can you provide an example of someone on the far left using or publishing the "descriptor" in the way the far right had?

They said "far left" once in the story.  It's not a stretch to think that those protesting and using the nickname "Genocide Joe" are far-left.  

I'm not sure why some are so triggered by that notion.

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toomuchbaloney said:

Surmise away.  Currently the only example of the terminology comes from a Fox article.  Can you provide an example of someone on the far left using or publishing the "descriptor" in the way the far right had?

It's not just Fox News, the term "Genocide Joe" is being reported on and even the White House Responded.  

A group called "Center for Constitutional Rights" apparently is bringing a lawsuit that Biden is committing genocide.  I can't find enough about them to see if they are far left.

Fox reported on this protest where people chanted about "genocide Joe has got to go" but many of those protestors the camera focused on were Arab/Palestinian appearing.

 The guy whom Beerman quoted as saying there will be consequences in the next election when he said it back in the November 6th protest seemed to be of European descent.

Fox didn't portray the November 6th protests in a positive light, but also enjoyed that Biden was in trouble.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/thousands-anti-israel-protesters-descend-white-house-praising-hamas-slamming-genocide-joe

Either way you look at it, we have to accept the fact that we are helping to finance Israels war and have given them billions since their founding decades ago.  We have to understand that we hold some accountability for the people they kill.  Fair or not, terrorists believe this.  This is why 9/11 happened.  

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Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan accused President Joe Biden of supporting "the genocide of the Palestinian people,"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rashida-tlaib-accuses-biden-supporting-genocide-palestinian-people-rcna123620

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Tweety said:

It's not just Fox News, the term "Genocide Joe" is being reported on and even the White House Responded.  

A group called "Center for Constitutional Rights" apparently is bringing a lawsuit that Biden is committing genocide.  I can't find enough about them to see if they are far left.

Fox reported on this protest where people chanted about "genocide Joe has got to go" but many of those protestors the camera focused on were Arab/Palestinian appearing.

 The guy whom Beerman quoted as saying there will be consequences in the next election when he said it back in the November 6th protest seemed to be of European descent.

Fox didn't portray the November 6th protests in a positive light, but also enjoyed that Biden was in trouble.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/thousands-anti-israel-protesters-descend-white-house-praising-hamas-slamming-genocide-joe

Either way you look at it, we have to accept the fact that we are helping to finance Israels war and have given them billions since their founding decades ago.  We have to understand that we hold some accountability for the people they kill.  Fair or not, terrorists believe this.  This is why 9/11 happened.  

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rashida-tlaib-accuses-biden-supporting-genocide-palestinian-people-rcna123620

Yep. A protester somewhere said it so Fox amplifies it to their "conservative" audience who repeat it and suggest that it's some widespread left wing sentiment. We should expect Fox to highlight that Biden critical narrative.  

Yes, we should be considered complicit in any genocide that depends upon our financing.  If the execution of the war plans don't meet or match our national expectations or values, the diplomatic team should be working to change things.  

The Center for Civil Rights is progressive a civil rights advocacy group.  It will be interesting to see if they can prove that Biden had the capacity to stop Israel from its military intervention.  

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Beerman said:

They said "far left" once in the story.  It's not a stretch to think that those protesting and using the nickname "Genocide Joe" are far-left.  

I'm not sure why some are so triggered by that notion.

Triggered by the notion that Fox reporting might be inaccurate or pushing an anti- Biden narrative with little evidence while making sure to use a pejorative name?

LOL

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Beerman said:

I'm surmising that only the far-left would use such a horrible nickname, and it's been members of the squad who have been the loudest critics of Biden.  Maybe that's why "far-left" was used as a descriptor.

 

Twice.  Towards the end of the article they mention the "far left Squad".   But no need to nitpick that.

The one you and I were referring to they linked a pro-Palestine protest under the link "far left protests".    I don't think that pro-Palestine is necessarily a far left stance.  Maybe those throwing out the words "genocide" and "genocide Joe" might be considered far left.  Fair enough.

But there are plenty of us that want a cease fire and a peaceful end to this situation and the creation of a free and legal Palestine recognized by the US and UN.  It's complicated but not necessarily a far left idea.  In my opinion.  Probably in Fox's eyes any protest against Israel is far left, especially if they aren't simultaneously condemning Hamas.

But really no need to nitpick this aspect.  

It's interesting to see the generational and party divide in the conflict.

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By the numbers: Among voters between the ages of 18 and 34, a majority said their sympathies lie more with the Palestinians, which is up from 26% in October.

Those with more sympathy for Israelis fell from 41% in October to 29%.

Half of the voters in that age range also said they believe the U.S. is too supportive of Israel, and nearly half (45%) said they don't think it's in the U.S.' national interest to remain so.

Among Democrats, a plurality (41%) said they sympathized more with Palestinians — a 19 percentage point increase from last month's poll — while sympathy for Israelis fell 14 percentage points.

An overwhelming 80% of Republican voters sympathized with Israelis over Palestinians, and 83% said it is also in the U.S.' national interest to continue supporting Israel.

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/16/palestinians-israelis-us-voters-poll

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Again, wanting to protect innocent civilians from the Israeli military activity against Hamas isn't really a far left stance.  

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CNN 3/1/24:

Biden calls for immediate temporary ceasefire as part of Israel-Hamas hostage deal

and  announces the US will airdrop humanitarian aid into Gaza.

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toomuchbaloney said:

Again, wanting to protect innocent civilians from the Israeli military activity against Hamas isn't really a far left stance.  

 

Tweety said:

It's not just Fox News, the term "Genocide Joe" is being reported on and even the White House Responded.  

A group called "Center for Constitutional Rights" apparently is bringing a lawsuit that Biden is committing genocide.  I can't find enough about them to see if they are far left.

Fox reported on this protest where people chanted about "genocide Joe has got to go" but many of those protestors the camera focused on were Arab/Palestinian appearing.

 The guy whom Beerman quoted as saying there will be consequences in the next election when he said it back in the November 6th protest seemed to be of European descent.

Fox didn't portray the November 6th protests in a positive light, but also enjoyed that Biden was in trouble.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/thousands-anti-israel-protesters-descend-white-house-praising-hamas-slamming-genocide-joe

Either way you look at it, we have to accept the fact that we are helping to finance Israels war and have given them billions since their founding decades ago.  We have to understand that we hold some accountability for the people they kill.  Fair or not, terrorists believe this.  This is why 9/11 happened.  

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rashida-tlaib-accuses-biden-supporting-genocide-palestinian-people-rcna123620

She's really an idiot and has done nothing for Michigan.  I guess when Hamas attacked Israel and continued to shoot rockets into Israel for weeks, that wasn't genocide.  Neither are.  Neither the followers of Hamas nor the followers of Netenyahu are innocent.  At this point, neither side is interested in compromise of any kind.  It's like the ancient wars in the old Testament where everyone was just in for the kill and diplomacy wasn't invented yet.  These things usually went well for the ancient Israelis but that, of course, is a myth.  That's how long this mess has been going on...over 5,000 years.   Both sides have infinite patience when it comes to annihilating each other.  

 

 

 

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