Is this typical of a nursing school? Arbitrary failings, and discrimination

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In my school a fairly large number of students, including me, have been failed in our clinical courses by arbitrary decisions made by instructors. By "arbitrary decisions" I mean that the instructors are given unrestricted power to fail students without the use of predetermined standards.

In addition, these decisions seem to affect males disproportionately. This is just based on my observations, not statistics, but males appear to make up 10-20% of the students at the school while more than 90% of those failed in these arbitrary decisions are men.

I'm pretty sure gender discrimination is at work here, particularly considering that this school decides which students to admit purely based on academic standards (meaning that the disproportionate number of men being failed cannot be explained away by suggesting that men are simply weaker than women, academically speaking.) All students at this school have about a 4.0 GPA at the start of the program.

In my own experience, the instructor who failed me was very unprofessional, rude, and nasty towards me. This behavior started literally on day one, which I think disproves any possible claim that her ill will towards me was based on anything other than some sort of prejudice. She proceeded to seek out opportunities to misrepresent events in order to make me look bad, presumably so she could build a case against me to fail me.

As an example, on the paperwork with which she officially failed me in the course she vaguely stated that she had a conversation with the RN I was working with that led her to the conclusion that I "lacked initiative." What is interesting is that she made that same accusation to me in person moments after the conversation in question (which I estimate lasted about 15 seconds.) When she made the accusation to me in person, I asked her to clarify what exactly she was basing this assumption on, and she stated that the conclusion that I "lacked initiative" was based on the fact that it had come up in this conversation with the RN that a procedure had been done on my patient and that the RN had done the procedure instead of me.

I only had one RN that I was working with that day, I only had one patient that day, and my patient only had one procedure. At the time of that procedure, the RN asked the patient, "Would you rather have a female [the RN] perform this procedure instead of a male [me]?" And the patient said, "Sure. I guess I'd prefer a female." So this was an example of explicit gender discrimination that was actually cited as a reason for my instructor failing me.

I find the arbitrary nature of these decisions strange. These decisions are made against people who have invested years of their time and thousands of dollars of their money and against people who have succeeded at every step of the way in their educational career, and it is odd to me that all of their hard work can be thrown away purely based upon what appears to be an individual's personal dislike of them.

Can anyone relate to these kinds of experiences? Is this typical of nursing schools?


Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.

They're not dumb.They're human. No one is perfect.Doctors and nurses smoke and drink in spite of their education of the facts. Lots of health care professionals have health issues themselves. I see diabetic coworkers drink Coke every day.They are not ignorant of the facts. It's not that simple.

Yes it is frustrating. I have met the nicest people, laying in a bed dying because they drank too much. But to call them dumb isn't fair.

If someone came to you for COPD, would you treat them for a broken leg? We, here at AN, need to answer the question asked, not accuse the OP of lying/omitting. If you don't like the question, don't participate! He wanted to know is this common, I don't know, but it isn't UNCOMMON.

Well if they thought they had COPD, but I noticed they had a broken leg, it may lead me to determine that the problem isn't COPD but perhaps instead a pulmonary embolism. And it would be stupid to send them home with an inhaler instead of addressing the broken leg.

Specializes in Cath/EP lab, CCU, Cardiac stepdown.

Oh my, this is getting derailed to never never land.

Personally as a male student I haven't seen discrimination based on gender but that might be because I'm in New York.

Many clinicals are graded objectively and subjectively by the professor,so I guess it can be quite arbitrary, but if your professor is failing you because of her bias then that is wrong. There is no way around that, to be dismissive of a student because of any personal issue, whether sexism, racism, orientation, or any other is unacceptable and unfair. I would really like to know if you were able to get in touch with the Dean of your nursing department and whether they were helpful or not.

And I can see your side in which a professor with a preconceived notion of you will go on a warpath to deliberately discredit you, like the charting incident you mentioned. Personally, I would like to think that I will keep my tongue in check and document and get testimonies from my classmates of each unfair treatment then report it, but I am human and would probably argue with her.

I apologize for any involvement I may have in going off topic and for any unintentional barbs. Let us refrain from having personal debates and use some empathy for the op. As current nursing students or those who already went through it, we know first-hand how difficult it is and how devastating it must be to know that you were failed. Factor in if you felt that you were unjustly failed, the experience must be terrible. So let's try to keep things positive when moving on in this thread

I had a nursing instructor give me a failing grade in a class, which failed me for the quarter and should have removed me from the program. I was bathing a patient who had RA. the instructor sent another student in to tell me that it was time for me to have my interview with the instructor. I said I could not leave my patient until I finished the bath and had her comfortably settled. The instructor refused to see me at all for the remainder of the quarter. I talked to the Dean and my fiance talked to the Dean. I agreed to go to "counseling" to see if I "really wanted to be a nurse." Like you, I wanted to be a nurse all my life and I was working as a CNA to pay for my schooling. I took the class over from a different instructor and got an A. I was also commended for my caring attitude for my patients.

So, talk to the Dean. Tell her the story. Back it up with facts and statistics if you can. Get statement from other students. Identify the instructor(s) who arbitrarily fail students. Each class and project should have goals and objects and a grading rubric. As a male, you will encounter female patients who prefer procedures to be done by another female. The RN also set you up by suggesting to the patient that she could choose a female, and then tellling your instructor you did not do the procedure without telling the instructor that it was the patient's choice. Some nurses have a reputation for "eating their young." Be hard to digest.

This whole mess actually happened a year ago. I am just now getting to retake my last quarter of nursing school.

At the time I didn't feel I had a case to make against the instructor. This time around, I will be distrustful from the start and collect evidence in case a similar thing happens.

The RN that day probably didn't realize what thd instructor was doing. I think my instructor probably just didn't care about the details and jumped at the opportunity to hold something against me. I don't really care if my career was sabotaged because of my sex, all that matters is that it was sabotaged.

My problem is with the arbitrary nature of it all and the lack of standards. Based on the responses it seems that it's normal for these things to be completely arbitrary but nobody seems to think that is a problem. I disagree. Practices like this set the stage for discrimination and other problems.

Specializes in Med-Surg.
This whole mess actually happened a year ago. I am just now getting to retake my last quarter of nursing school.

At the time I didn't feel I had a case to make against the instructor. This time around, I will be distrustful from the start and collect evidence in case a similar thing happens.

The RN that day probably didn't realize what thd instructor was doing. I think my instructor probably just didn't care about the details and jumped at the opportunity to hold something against me. I don't really care if my career was sabotaged because of my sex, all that matters is that it was sabotaged.

My problem is with the arbitrary nature of it all and the lack of standards. Based on the responses it seems that it's normal for these things to be completely arbitrary but nobody seems to think that is a problem. I disagree. Practices like this set the stage for discrimination and other problems.

Nobody said it wasn't a problem. We just agreed that it happens and your situation was not isolated.

The best way to fight it is one case at a time. If you feel targeted, start documenting from the very beginning. If there is some kind of conflict resolution committee at your school, go to them as quickly as possible.

Proper steps though, to be professional (colleagues, feel free to correct or add anything if you see fit)

1) speak to your instructor from the start. Make sure you know very clearly what criteria you need to meet to pass.

2) if you feel things are not going well, document. Document objectively. State facts, dates, times, locations. Obviously no patient identifiers though. Keep doing this til the end. Think of it as a clinical journal of sorts.

3) keep meeting with your instructor regularly, to know how you are doing, and what you need to work on. Want to clear up that lack of initiative accusation?

4) if you feel your instructor is still being shady with you, that's when you involve the conflict resolution committee. They will want to see that you tried to fix it on your own. Again, see initiative!

5) you could maybe even ask for recommendations from nurses you are assigned to work with. If your instructor says A-B-C about you, and you have nurses stating otherwise in writing, that could certainly help you. Added plus is you could keep these recommendations when it comes time to find a job.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.

I'm curious as to when your "career was sabotaged"; you are still in the program and about to complete your last semester. I could see if it was stated that you violated policy or out of your scope and reported you to the BON...THEN your career would be "sabotaged"-or at least the attempt was made; but then again, I wasn't there.

Right now the is a glut of new grads; you never know how things pan out in life; sometimes for the best, even in the most unusual circumstances. Moving forward, utilize the suggestions of uRNmyway, and something I've learned from my career-from nursing school to the bedside: don't go in with a chip, go in with a bat, and use it when necessary. ;)

If I were the OP, I'd forget all this and pursue a career in law. I see many attributes that point toward potential success as a litigator. And that's not a dig. If I needed someone to dissect, analyze, and rebut charges against me... he'd be on speed-dial. Or whatever speed-dial is called these days.

Compliments also to the wide array of helpful posters. Much well said.

Night night. :sleep:

Sorry, I failed to mention that it was my last quarter of nursing school when i was kicked out. So I ended up spending a year off from nursing school and I'm only now preparing to retake that quarter. So that is the career sabotage I was referring to. I mean a year set-back isn't the end of the world, but my career is definitely not where it should be at this point.

I have nothing to add to the conversation really but my sympathies, Capp. We lost 4 students last semester because of unrestricted clinical instructors, 3 of the 4 were male and of those three, I found the "reasons" to be quite minor and unsubstantiated. We only have a handful of men in our class of 60-or-so students, so I do believe there is gender discrimination in my program as well...

Specializes in Post Anesthesia.

I'm Male (last time I checked). The type of discrimination you describe was very common when I was in school-1980s. I had one clinical instructor announce at the beginning of clinical " I don't think men should be in nursing, I certainly don't think they should be in this rotation(L&D), but since the university says I have to teach you, lets just try to make the best of it shall we!" I have said many times, if nursing wants to gain the respect other science degrees have, the programs are going to have to develop- measurable teaching objectives with clear standards of passing that in no way can be attributed to the opinion of one clinical instructor who may have no training in education at all. Many of the senior clinical instructors base the students performance in clinical protocals they met in the 1960's in a hospital based diploma program where the primary qualification for passage was your ability to service the needs of the medical staff and mantain a "lady like demeanor".

really wooh, that was a stretch. lol. using a simple analogy you have to do EXACTLY what I was talking about! and not address the question, but extrapolate you own take on it.

Well if they thought they had COPD, but I noticed they had a broken leg, it may lead me to determine that the problem isn't COPD but perhaps instead a pulmonary embolism. And it would be stupid to send them home with an inhaler instead of addressing the broken leg.
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