Is anyone at all concerned that the leader of the free world...against all recommendations...is taking hydroxychloroquine as a preventative measure...despite having high cholesterol?
Or that a doctor felt OK prescribing such to the leader of the free world despite said concerns? I mean HOLY COW!?!?!? How many will be banging down doors now to follow suit???
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Several doctors questioned the wisdom of taking the unproven drug, given the possible risks.
“I think it’s a very bad idea to be taking hydroxychloroquine as a preventive medication,” said Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist and the director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, Calif. “There are no data to support that, there’s no evidence, and in fact there is no compelling evidence to support its use at all at this point.”
Dr. Topol said that the risk of developing a potentially fatal arrhythmia because of hydroxychloroquine could come without warning and did not happen only in people with heart conditions. “We can’t predict that; in fact, it can happen in people who are healthy,” he said. “It could happen in anyone.”
Dr. David Maron, a cardiologist and the chief of the Stanford Prevention Research Center, said in an interview that in his opinion “the risk-benefit ratio doesn’t make sense.”
Are there NO repercussions for this kind of insanity??? Sorry...but WOW!!. Am good and would get the hell out of this field if I could for sooo many reasons right now...but opening a restaurant right now is out and that's what I'd wanna do...rofl.
1) Henry Ford Health System has acknowledged limitations with their study
2) my issue was never the med but the audacity of someone pushing for it without any consideration for science, concerns or possible negative impact. Meds have been released too quickly before. Why do we bother with trials at all?
Oh wait ..and are we also not concerned that his adminstration has now ordered that Covid data statistics no longer be reported to the CDC and instead go to HHS? No? K...
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Authors Retract Hydroxychloroquine Study, Citing Concern Over Data
… The Lancet paper analyzed data, purported to be from COVID-19 patients in more than 600 hospitals around the world. The data were collected by a private company called Surgisphere, whose founder, Sapan Desai, is a co-author on the study. Concerns were raised about the accuracy of the data and the paper started attracting criticism within days of its publication. In an open letter to the Lancet more than a hundred scientists and clinicians asked the journal to provide details about the data and called for the study to be independently validated.
So the Lancet launched an independent review and asked Surgisphere to transfer their complete database for evaluation. Surgisphere agreed to the review, but the third party reviewers told the Lancet that they were not able to access all the data, because the company said this would violate client agreements and confidentiality requirements.
It was this failure to independently audit the data that prompted three of the study's authors to retract the paper, saying they "can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources."
The Lancet issued a statement saying it takes issues of scientific integrity "extremely seriously," and there are still many outstanding questions about Surgisphere and the data used in the study.
The company issued a statement on its website pledging transparency, and says it is working to address all questions about the data it provided.
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1 hour ago, ladycody said:
2 things:.
1) Henry Ford Health System has acknowledged limitations with their study
2) my issue was never the med but the audacity of someone pushing for it without any consideration for science, concerns or possible negative impact. Meds have been released too quickly before. Why do we bother with trials at all?
My issue is with people declaring hydroxychloroquinine does not work because they dislike Trump. Either people take a scientific approach or they don't. If Trump said antibiotics are a good treatment for bacterial infections, are you going to take exception simply because it is Trump who said so? We don't know all that much about COVID yet, and there is evidence that hydrochloroquinine can help some people. Yes, we need more research, but hydrochloroquinine does indeed show promise. So do other existing meds such as steroids.
In emergencies such as an epidemic or pandemic, it is common to accelerate approval of treatments. Or do you want to wait for 5 years until every possible treatment for COVID has gone through multiple rigorous studies? Hydrochloroquinine is already on the market, anyway, and it is is pretty hard to forbid providers from prescribing meds for off-label treatment.
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9 minutes ago, FullGlass said:
My issue is with people declaring hydroxychloroquinine does not work because they dislike Trump. Either people take a scientific approach or they don't. If Trump said antibiotics are a good treatment for bacterial infections, are you going to take exception simply because it is Trump who said so? We don't know all that much about COVID yet, and there is evidence that hydrochloroquinine can help some people. Yes, we need more research, but hydrochloroquinine does indeed show promise. So do other existing meds such as steroids.
In emergencies such as an epidemic or pandemic, it is common to accelerate approval of treatments. Or do you want to wait for 5 years until every possible treatment for COVID has gone through multiple rigorous studies? Hydrochloroquinine is already on the market, anyway, and it is is pretty hard to forbid providers from prescribing meds for off-label treatment.
None of that excuses Trump's irresponsible and reckless language relative to these potential treatments.
It also does not excuse medical and nursing professionals from dismissing everything he says, either.
When medicine is politicized, it is the patients who suffer.
Yeah, well I think it's been politicized and now outside of developing nations, the USA is the lead global producer of COVID 19. The only "industrialized" nation in the pack.
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13 hours ago, FullGlass said:
It also does not excuse medical and nursing professionals from dismissing everything he says, either.
When medicine is politicized, it is the patients who suffer.
Do you have some evidence that patients are suffering because health professionals won't treat them with hydroxychloroquine secondary to their "dismissal" of Trump's medical ramblings? That sounds absolutely ridiculous and I'm hoping to see some citation that would cause a health professional to make such a claim. The reality is that the president has politicized the illness and the drugs...not the health professionals and not the scientists.
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On 7/14/2020 at 7:17 PM, PGrabby said:
Yeah, well I think it's been politicized and now outside of developing nations, the USA is the lead global producer of COVID 19. The only "industrialized" nation in the pack.
Great example of a healthcare professional unable to objectively evaluate treatments. Thank you for proving my point.
12 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:
Do you have some evidence that patients are suffering because health professionals won't treat them with hydroxychloroquine secondary to their "dismissal" of Trump's medical ramblings? That sounds absolutely ridiculous and I'm hoping to see some citation that would cause a health professional to make such a claim. The reality is that the president has politicized the illness and the drugs...not the health professionals and not the scientists.
It is incumbent on YOU to prove YOUR assertions, something you have clearly been unable to do.
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2 things:.
1) Henry Ford Health System has acknowledged limitations with their study
2) my issue was never the med but the audacity of someone pushing for it without any consideration for science, concerns or possible negative impact. Meds have been released too quickly before. Why do we bother with trials at all?