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Implied/actual 'Right' for nurses to 'Do' Hands-on Procedures.

Given the recent hysteria-level emotive responses to member Cowboy's concerns, perhaps a longitunal overview/current appraisal of the gist of his topic might well be indicated?

Recent mal-awareness of the legally-proper/socially-needful 'Informed Consent' appears to have (in some areas, & moreso where litigation action is rife), distorted matters, but it really seems to me, that many members here who've already demonstrated a high-dudgeon/angst over the 'state of the art' could do with a refresher/reality-check as to expectations of the actual duties/responsibilities in performing hands-on interventions - as a duty duly owed by health-care givers to recipients (& how readily they are understood/accepted by patients/clients) - nowadays.

Another related aspect might be further discussed, viz: the 'cultural/unwritten' lore by which nurses do indeed provide their cares, (& the recent, seemingly insidious indoctrination of unscientific yet ironically ultra-dogmatic post-modern/feminist ideology into nursing praxis, IMO, a demonstrably baleful shadow which debases/demeans our professional standing).

The negative impact of non-clincal staff such as Corporate manager, & their HR/legal depts, along with outside but strident 'pressure groups' with a poor understanding of the issues concerning nursing - might well also be a discussion point for the student nurse - since these things seldom seem to be part of the study curriculum in 'nusing education', either.

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    I have no idea as to what thread you are referencing, the one about the legality of refusing a male nurse or another one? However, i think the phrase " hysteria level emotive* phrase is telling. I am assuming you and cowboy are both men?

    Beyond that I honestly can't follow much if anything of your post. Each of your paragraphs is a single run on sentence that even an expert in the field might struggle with, let alone student nurses.

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    46 minutes ago, Claralee said:

    I have no idea as to what thread you are referencing, the one about the legality of refusing a male nurse or another one? However, i think the phrase " hysteria level emotive* phrase is telling. I am assuming you and cowboy are both men?

    Beyond that I honestly can't follow much if anything of your post. Each of your paragraphs is a single run on sentence that even an expert in the field might struggle with, let alone student nurses.

    C'mon now Claralee, "honestly."

    Can nursing-student program entry/reading comprehension-skill prerequisites really be so lax, nowadays? Just wait 'til you have to read research!

    & about that, how might 'James', or 'Cowboy' be indicative of gender, & also, what would "hysteria-level emotive" be "telling" of, IYO?

    Why'd you reckon the thread you (correctly) noted was closed for review?

    Are you actually asking for 'mansplaining', maybe?

    ( Only joking).

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    You/me/any nurse has the right to provide the care the patient allows you to

    Nothing more, nothing less

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    I read that 3 times and believe/infer that I am more confused each time, and I do read/study/reference research.

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    Per our terms of service:

    We promote the idea of lively debate. This means you are free to disagree with anyone on any type of subject matter as long as your criticism is constructive and polite. Additionally, please refrain from name-calling. This is divisive, rude, and derails the thread.

    Our first priority is to the members that have come here because of the flame-free atmosphere we provide. There is a zero-tolerance policy here against personal attacks. We will not tolerate anyone insulting other's opinion nor name calling.

    Our call is to be supportive, not divisive. Because of this, discrimination, racial vilification and offensive generalizations targeting people of other races, religions and/or nationalities, or sexual orientation will not be tolerated.

    @James W. as nurses we can provide the care that the patient allows, nothing more. Its not about US, its about the patients. (And thank you to several others who stated the same sentiment).

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    This OP seems like a thinly disguised attempt to reincarnate a thread that was shut down by the mods (and not for any "hysteria-level emotive responses").

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    We, as nurses we can provide the care that the patient allows, nothing more. Its not about US, its about the patients.

    This is the gist of the responses given over and over in the thread you referenced; this message is appropriate for that thread, and now, for this one. The consent implied when a patient signs the paperwork given to him when he first arrives at a healthcare facility can be revoked at any time. As all of us will eventually be patients, this is something we should uniformly stand behind. The right to refuse any/all care is precious. We retain our autonomy at all times while we are patients, therefore the "rights" belong solely to us. No nurse or doctor or any other practitioner has "rights" over our bodies that supersede our own. And that is a good thing.

    traumaRUs said it succinctly and accurately. What else, really, can be said?

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    @James W. - yes the patient has the right to ask for whoever they want to care for them. It happens all the time in the US. It may not be "right" but it happens. Please move on to a different topic.

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    I'm sorry, you may want to edit this because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    Drop the descriptives...just tell the story.

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    @James W.I posted this in the thread Cowboy made that you are referring to...

    Simply put, this topic is about sexism. Sexism is discrimination and/or prejudice against another based solely on one's sex. Cowboy and/or James W, can you honestly tell me that you feel your fundamental rights are violated when a female refuses your care involving an intimate procedure? If so, what right is being infringed on?

    In case you didn't see it, I will post it in your thread too.

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    I don't understand why someone would insist on performing care on someone who is requesting services from a different provider.

    If the request can be accommodated, sure. If not, inform the patient of their options and allow the patient to choose how to proceed.

    That's literally the basis of trauma-informed care.

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    And EVEN THEN: If a patient not of sound mind doesn't want X person touching her, but calms down when person Y deals with her, there is no reason whatsoever to force person X on her. It's just common sense to satisfy the needs of the patient (even if the reason for those preferences doesn't make sense to the care team) rather than pander to the "feelings" and ego of another given caregiver.

    And another thing: there were no "hysteria-level emotive responses"in the other thread. That's just a thinly veiled and disingenuous attempt to discredit any response which deviates from your (or the OP's) POV.

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