Imagine If You Will...

[hppygr8ful, ASN, RN, EMT-I]

IMAGINE IF YOU WILL...

A pandemic so severe that we can afford to fire healthcare workers.

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, hppygr8ful said:

Just moving the unvaccinated healthcare workers to areas less likely to jeopardize vulnerable patients with employers who don't care about vaccination status.  

Mandates work to increase vaccination rates. 

[SmilingBluEyes]

Yep toomuch, it's really as simple as that.

[londonflo]

We had a teacher in one of our local high schools who refused the vaccination (religious reasons) or weekly testing.  She was suspended until the school board could review (again) the matter. After about 2 - 3 weeks without pay her religious reasons disappeared and she got the first vaccination and has scheduled the second. Guess a couple of weeks without pay convinced her. She never said why she did not believe in testing. 

[SmilingBluEyes]

I don't want to imagine that hherrn!

[Guest219794]

2 hours ago, londonflo said:

We had a teacher in one of our local high schools who refused the vaccination (religious reasons) or weekly testing.  She was suspended until the school board could review (again) the matter. After about 2 - 3 weeks without pay her religious reasons disappeared and she got the first vaccination and has scheduled the second. Guess a couple of weeks without pay convinced her. She never said why she did not believe in testing. 

Her beliefs are as valid as plenty of religious beliefs.

But, if she is willng to move, she could find a place that share this new religion.
But, apparently it is more important tot he school board to protect the students.
 

[hppygr8ful, ASN, RN, EMT-I]

I am by the way a firm believer in vaccination for COVID and all other vaccine preventable/ mitigateble conditions 

[NurseSpeedy, ADN, LPN, RN]

londonflo said:

We had a teacher in one of our local high schools who refused the vaccination (religious reasons) or weekly testing.  She was suspended until the school board could review (again) the matter. After about 2 - 3 weeks without pay her religious reasons disappeared and she got the first vaccination and has scheduled the second. Guess a couple of weeks without pay convinced her. She never said why she did not believe in testing. 

I'm pretty sure there never was an actual religious reason. She probably didn't want to pay for the test....or knew how uncomfortable it can be....and was trying to find some exemption from getting either. 

Lately I have had a lot of NEW patients looking for our doctors to exempt them from their employer's mandatory vaccinations. Many had not had their first appt yet. Our recommendations are pretty clear- get vaccinated. We won't force you, but there's no reason in our specialty not to get it, so we will not sign off on an exemption....people will argue with the messenger for 30+ minutes. Um, take it up with your employer-we cannot exempt you when the facts state the opposite. Ugh.

[SmilingBluEyes]

NurseSpeedy said:

I'm pretty sure there never was an actual religious reason. She probably didn't want to pay for the test....or knew how uncomfortable it can be....and was trying to find some exemption from getting either. 

Lately I have had a lot of NEW patients looking for our doctors to exempt them from their employer's mandatory vaccinations. Many had not had their first appt yet. Our recommendations are pretty clear- get vaccinated. We won't force you, but there's no reason in our specialty not to get it, so we will not sign off on an exemption....people will argue with the messenger for 30+ minutes. Um, take it up with your employer-we cannot exempt you when the facts state the opposite. Ugh.

Excellent. Integrity. Gotta love that.

[RuralMOSchoolRN, ADN, RN]

I had a severe allergic reaction to the first Covid vaccine I was given and it also set off my autoimmune disease.  I cannot receive additional vaccinations for medical reasons which my rheumatologist has written a letter for me.

I'm a school nurse and also work at the Health Dept vaccinating and giving boosters to a lot of people.  I don't think I should have to leave my job due to a real medical condition making me unable to become "fully vaccinated".

Luckily neither job has forced the issue.  The reason I'm against the mandate is because it does NOT allow for real medical conditions or religious reasons to be exempt.  And I don't think being fired is the answer.  I wear a mask when I'm closer than 6 foot with people (honestly an arbitrary number).  I am tested every two weeks via work.  

Covid is going to be like influenza--frequent testing r/t symptoms, yearly vaccination boosters needed (get enough variants and I bet they will craft the vaccine to include certain variants each year like influenza), and increased awareness needed.  The vaccine does NOT eradicate the disease. With animals testing positive for Sars-Cov19 even if it was eradicated in people it has a reservoir to bring it back cyclically. I'm all for vaccinations in vulnerable populations when able to receive it and those that want to receive it voluntarily.  We cannot continue to be in pandemic mode for the rest of our lives.  At some point we will have to treat this as the cyclic, chronic disease it has become.  There are more and more treatments becoming available and it appears medication similar in mechanism to Tamiflu (eases symptom severity and duration if given within 48 hours) is coming online soon as well.

I am not saying this is a benign disease or that I'm anti-Vacc or that it hasn't hurt and killed a lot of people   But I also think its unfair to characterize everyone that doesn't want/can't take the full vaccine course as a right wing nut job that doesn't care about anybody else around them.

 

[toomuchbaloney]

6 minutes ago, RuralMOSchoolRN said:

Luckily neither job has forced the issue.  The reason I'm against the mandate is because it does NOT allow for real medical conditions or religious reasons to be exempt. 

Why do you think that the mandate doesn't allow for true medical contraindication? 

Are you in Missouri?

[RuralMOSchoolRN, ADN, RN]

19 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Why do you think that the mandate doesn't allow for true medical contraindication? 

Are you in Missouri?

I am in Missouri.  I have heard from multiple nursing friends who's hospitals are mandating the vaccine that they are not accepting any reasons for not becoming vaccinated.  My best friend is OB overnight charge nurse in a facility who's parent hospital mandated the vaccine.  She is now short 5 nurses who early retired or left completely.  

My exemption note would probably not allow me to fly, be in public in multiple states, etc.  That doesn't seem very fair to me when taking the vaccine could literally kill me.