16 Ice creams

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I haven't been on here in a while, but today I just have to share the experience I have had as a nurse this week. I work on a med-surg floor at a small hospital with 29 patients on the floor. We usually have 5-6 nurses, but often have had 4 and even 3 occasionally.

We are the floor you dump all the miscellaneous crap on, which often includes your chf'ers, copd'ers, gib's, dialysis patients, surgery patients, Alzheimer's, and just about anything you can think of. Not to mention all the people who were brought from the local mental hospitals or rehab centers who are just absolutely nuts.

I was told when I was hired by the staff and my boss that it was a very challenging floor and that I would learn a lot, but be very stressed. Well she wasn't lying. It's practically like an ICU sometimes with how critical my patients are and I don't just have 2. I have 6 and that's being in charge on night shift. Anyways, let me tell you about the patient who has sucked the life right out of me within 12 hours of taking care of her. I had a better night the time my first patient died sudden and unexpectedly after s 55 minute code.

This is a 41 yo female who is a frequent flyer and usually comes in with abd pain, diarrhea, and N/V. She has been denied at 5 different hospitals for accusing male nurses of sexually assaulting her and reported at least 4 doctors for not giving her the pain medicine she demands and the diagnostic tests she believes she needs. She comes I with different names all the time. She states she has had cdiff for 5 years and treatment doesn't work. And she thinks she has SMA, but we're just not properly diagnosing her and not doing the right tests.

So my night started with a call that lasted 7 minutes. She first explained how unprofessional we were when answering the call light and stated that several people have hung up on her. Then she went on to say her scheduled pain meds were due 30 minutes ago, followed by requests for 5 ice creams and 3 apple juices, and many other questions about tests, pain meds, diet, how pretty much everyone has mistreated her. I was very polite, said I would definitely let her nurse know and the issues would be addressed. I was in charge that night. Her nurse was slammed like the rest of us, but managed to get her pain meds to her not late. She received a total of 16 ice creams within 7 hours and wanted more. She was told that we were out and that we could not take the other floors supplies when we use all of ours. Well, that was it. She wanted to speak with the charge nurse.

At the time I had a patient who was q1h bg, total care, agitated, no sitter, tube feeds, ativan q4 or she would climb out of bed and that would just be a whole other issue. Also, taking care of a women who demand dialaudid 2mg q4 on the dot and extremely sick with critical labs, admitted by nephrology. My third was a man who we got to know about a year ago when he came in and refused all care, but had nowhere to have dialysis because every place had kicked him out for being verbally abusive to staff and refusing assessments/care. Nephrology wouldn't discharge him because he was so sick. The man yells at everyone and demands everything he wants, meanwhile not taking any meds you have for him or cooperating with what the Drs want him to do. I guess he wasn't actually hard to take care of, until he started calling and yelling because he hasn't got his chocolate Icecream and coffee and then crapping all over the floor and refusing to let anyone clean it. We call him Mr. Personality. Patient #4 is not bad, but wants me to come at different times for her prn meds, like one at 9, then the other at 10, and so on. My other two were new admits. I got one at the beginning of my shift and another by 0300 even though the next one was supposed to go to someone else and it was my 6th patient. The other nurse is older and just refuses to take anymore. She was busy and if I had given the patient to her she would have complained so much that the rest of us might have gone crazy....or crazier. Anyways, my one admit came up on bipap with critical abgs, total care, >400 lbs and the one at 0300 was a GIB.

So that was my group. I had enough to do without this women demanding things and making everyone crazy. She wanted to speak to the charge nurse because they wouldn't give her anymore Icecream. She had had 16! When I went into her room I introduced myself and asked how I could help her. She started off by saying there's a real issue with the way we are answering her calls and hanging up on her without listening to her 25 complaints and that they weren't telling her nurse what she needed. Then that she needed Icecream because she could only have full liquids and she was being denied it. The next problem was not getting paid meds on time, not getting what she ordered for dinner (3 puddings, 3 soups, 4 ice creams), not getting a ct with contrast, which would diagnose her SMA. So far the ct w/o contrast hadn't shown a thing. She never really did shut up and just moved from one thing to the next. I had to interrupt to tell her that I would see to it that her nurse was being notified of all her needs and that I had witnessed her calls being answered and then the message given to the nurse. She argued with me and said that was not true and I explained that they may be listening to her need/complaint, saying they'll let her nurse know, and hanging up because they think she's done. Also told her that I had answered a call from her earlier that night and i was very polite but shocked at how rude she was. I listened and i told her nurse, but there is a list of callers waiting behind her that could be having trouble breathing or chest pain. I explained that we had to answer everyone's calls and could not spend 5 minutes on the call light. All of her needs can be addressed once the nurse knows to go down there and she did. Then I moved on to the issue about Icecream and this is where I got hot. I've never been nauseated by how mad I am, but I swear I almost threw up all over this lady. I told her we have 72 ice creams stocked at beginning of each week and that she had 16 already, so she could not have anymore and even apologized for heavens sakes. First of all she denied she had that many. I had seen them take at least that many down to her room. So I told her of every one had that many there would only be enough for 4 patients and we can't use all of our supplies and then go take another floors, unless it is a need and that is by no means a need. The women had breakfast, lunch, and dinner and snacks! She needed no more. I then asked her why she would want to eat that much if she was in pain and having diarrhea and nausea, plus a diabetic. She just redirected to another thing, such as getting s soft diet order. I explained that Drs do not allow people to eat when they are that nauseated and in pain and that if she was able to tolerate food that would mean she wasn't in pain or sick from it. It's common sense. She then said I was calling her a liar. Well yes I was. I told her I would be glad to page her dr and request a ct with contrast and a soft diet. She argued and said I wasn't listening to her and that that's not what the problem was and neither was the Icecream. I'm thinking well what the hell is the problem lady? I think IBS caused by a good ole case of crazy. Any ways, when she complained about meds being late I apologized and explained that if any meds are late it is because there is a patient that is in more critical condition who we must treat before treating her pain. If someone's having cp the nurse can't give her pain meds before taking care of the cp. she said I was making her problems out to be fake. She said she was told by a "nurse helper or whatever they're called" that her nurse wasn't busy and sitting down when her meds were due. I immediately asked which nurse she had and what tech. She backed out saying she didn't want anyone to get in trouble. I told her nobody would be in trouble, but that I had to go to each source to figure out at what point she misunderstood what the tech said because none of our techs would ever say a thing like that. First of all the nurses hardly ever sit and the techs are smarter than that and know her well. She then went on to say I know you guys get breaks, it's a law that you have to have a 30 minute break and youfe not allowed to work 24 hours. Oh I was getting so mad. I told her that I hadn't taken a lunch and had been up for 36 hours. Clearly we are all proof that what she was saying was ideal, but impossible sometimes. She asked if I was calling her a liar about that and what the tech said and I just said yes ma'am I am because you have now lied to me about at least 4 things that I have proof are not true. At that point I walked out and paged the dr who said no to the ct. I let her know and she said she was gonna report the dr and the hospital for not treating her and trying to find out what's wrong with her. I just apologized and advised her to do so if she felt hat was necessary and walked out. I told my boss when she got there the next morning and she was not surprised. Even she can't stand lady.

My concern with this is that this women is dangerous! She is going to get someone fired and nobody who I work with deserves that! I thought about that the whole way home. What if I actually got fired because of this women when I was working so so hard to make sure all of my patients were taken care of, dealing with everyone's issues as charge, putting out fires all night long, and not ever stopping to eat or pee. I had to stay until 10 to chart. And I continued to work during that time on/off, helping my patients who would come to the desk and catching up with patients I used to have, crying with ones who just break my heart with how amazingly positive and grateful they are even considering they're terrible situation. It just kills me to think I could lose my job over a women like that when I am a good nurse...I may not be perfect or held it together as much as I should have, but I survived hell. And I didn't deserve the way she was wasting time I needed for other patients who were critically ill. Neither did any other nurse or tech. I literally want to report this women to the police. Pretty sure she's got 4 or 5 different identities. Ugh. I guess I just need to get over it. It sure does help to get it off my chest though. I'm wondering if any of you have ever experienced something similar to this and did you get just as frustrated? What would you have done? Although there really is no advice that could help a person deal with this particular patient. Even the dr and nursing supervisor couldn't win with her. The dr was actually requesting someone go with her to see the patient so that she couldn't manipulate the rest of the staff and say things that weren't true or accuse one of them for mistreating her. Just a ridiculous situation. Anyways, thanks for letting me get this out there lol I realize not s lot of people will probably read this, but at least it's off my chest. You guys know how it is. Nobody cares about your nurse problems. They just don't understand. I wish everyone good patients and hope you never ever have to deal with a dreadful person such as this evil women I had the pleasure of taking care of. Thanks for listening.

Good gawd. I was nauseated just reading that post. Yuck.

Specializes in Med-Surg, NICU.
Thought you were bi-polar? Borderline personality is another diagnosis completely.

No. Borderline Personality Disorder.

It seems that a lot of things are not being handled correctly at the facility I work at. Sorry if I gave everyone a headache trying to read this. I really didn't expect that many people to even make it through the post. Clearly I just needed to vent lol btw my mother was diagnosed with bpd years ago, but has always denied it and she isn't quite like this lady. I guess there are different extremes. My mom is manipulative, but doesn't even realize she's being that way. I'm talking complete denial. I truly think she believes she's perfectly normal, but she drives us all crazy

I work in "outpatient OBS", which is basically stepdown, psych, M/S, tele, and post-op all rolled into one unit.

We get these kinds of patients all the time. You can't be wishy-washy with these patients. You need to set up clear guidelines for what will and will not be tolerated from her, and she needs to be told the rules immediately, and as soon as she is admitted in the future. Get with your manager and your DON, ASAP. Make sure all of the team members are on the same page.

Call the patient out every time she lies. If she asks if you are calling her a liar, "there have been a number of lies in your statements." Point them out to her. She can do the math herself. If she tries to set the staff up against each other, have two staff go in every time like a PP said.

Whenever she asks for a specific test, "That is for your doctor. You will see him/her on rounds tomorrow. You may bring it up then." If she wants you to call the doctor now, tell her a flat "No. That is not appropriate at this time." If she keeps bringing it up, cut her off with "We have already spoken about this topic and my answer will not change."

Something I do all the time that has worked well is that I tell the patient that I understand they are angry, but I do not appreciate being harangued/verbally abused. "I am becoming angry and I am going to step out until I am calm again." If the patient is willing to be reasonable and calm, she can call me and I will come back. If the patient is going to continue to verbally harass me, I will be rounding on her every two hours and her needs will be addressed then. She may communicate her needs to the aid in the interim, but they will only be addressed every two hours unless there is an emergency.

If the patient is using profanity I tell them, "That language is not allowed on this unit. If you are unable to control your language, I will call security for my safety." "Expletive-ing witch!" Vocera: "Call security."

Do not appease, do not make promises, do not make threats. Take action.

Initiate the process to get her banned from your unit/hospital.

Hugs, good luck!

Birdy, I want to tell you how sorry I am that you are struggling with this.

For those who don't believe this situation exists, let me tell you IT DOES. I was 4 months off orientation as a new grad on a similar medical floor (large inner-city hospital), and put in charge WITH my 6-7 patients. I feel your pain.

First: it is highly unlikely you will be fired for anything like this. I'm guessing it is hard to get people to work on this floor. Is there a high turn-over? Your manager already knows how stressful it is, and she is probably worried about keeping the staff she has.

Second: you will find these patients everywhere you go - unless and until they are banned.

Third: you sound like a "pleaser" kind of person, (like me), and may find it very difficult to handle situations like this. Just know, you will never be able to please this kind of patient. Their goal is to keep someone in the room engaging with them as much as possible. She was probably very satisfied that night to have someone indulge her so much!

Finally: The hospital I work at now is very concerned about patient satisfaction. I have on occasion escalated to the house manager (at night) very difficult patients who will come and smooth over the situation. This probably doesn't work in all facilities, though, and some of the house managers aren't very helpful anyway.

This is what I would try to do in the future, as other people have said: set boundaries, and don't argue/engage.

Patient: "I want more ice cream". Nurse: "I'm sorry, there is no more. Is there something else I can help you with?" if she repeats, so do you - no need for explaining or apologizing.

Patient: "So and so was rude to me". Nurse: "I'm sorry that happened to you, we take those kinds of complaints very seriously. Can you please write down in detail what happened so that I can forward your complaint to management? Thank you!"

Patient: "No one is answering my call light! I need help and you all are ignoring me!" Nurse: "We have 29 patients on the floor who all need our attention. If you are not happy with the staffing situation, I am sure that my manager would be interested in hearing about your concern. Her name is NOT-VERY-HELPFUL-MANAGER and she is in Monday - Friday from 9:00 to 5:00. Here is her card, if you would like to leave her a voice mail".

Patient: "The doctor is not listening to me! I need this test/medication/diet order/etc...!!" Nurse: "I'm sorry, but I am not in control of your plan of care. I can only follow doctor's orders. I would be happy to page the doctor for you to let him know of your concern. I will let you know when I hear from him/her".

Patient: "This hospital is ridiculous! I am sick and no one is helping me! I should have gone to COMPETING-HOSPTIAL-DOWN-THE-STREET! Nurse: "I can call the doctor to tell him that you are considering leaving AMA. Maybe he can come down and talk to you about it. Here is the AMA form, please read it over and sign it while you are waiting for your ride to come and get you". NOTE: Not sure how other people feel about this one. Once I just put the form on the table without even saying anything about it. Trust me, they never take you up on it!! They know they were already banned from the other places!

Finally, it may help to try to practice some of these scenarios in your head so you will be more prepared to react to them when they occur. It doesn't sound like your manager is all that interested in helping you, and that is a shame.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
Birdy, I want to tell you how sorry I am that you are struggling with this.

For those who don't believe this situation exists, let me tell you IT DOES. I was 4 months off orientation as a new grad on a similar medical floor (large inner-city hospital), and put in charge WITH my 6-7 patients. I feel your pain.

First: it is highly unlikely you will be fired for anything like this. I'm guessing it is hard to get people to work on this floor. Is there a high turn-over? Your manager already knows how stressful it is, and she is probably worried about keeping the staff she has.

Second: you will find these patients everywhere you go - unless and until they are banned.

Third: you sound like a "pleaser" kind of person, (like me), and may find it very difficult to handle situations like this. Just know, you will never be able to please this kind of patient. Their goal is to keep someone in the room engaging with them as much as possible. She was probably very satisfied that night to have someone indulge her so much!

Finally: The hospital I work at now is very concerned about patient satisfaction. I have on occasion escalated to the house manager (at night) very difficult patients who will come and smooth over the situation. This probably doesn't work in all facilities, though, and some of the house managers aren't very helpful anyway.

This is what I would try to do in the future, as other people have said: set boundaries, and don't argue/engage.

Patient: "I want more ice cream". Nurse: "I'm sorry, there is no more. Is there something else I can help you with?" if she repeats, so do you - no need for explaining or apologizing.

Patient: "So and so was rude to me". Nurse: "I'm sorry that happened to you, we take those kinds of complaints very seriously. Can you please write down in detail what happened so that I can forward your complaint to management? Thank you!"

Patient: "No one is answering my call light! I need help and you all are ignoring me!" Nurse: "We have 29 patients on the floor who all need our attention. If you are not happy with the staffing situation, I am sure that my manager would be interested in hearing about your concern. Her name is NOT-VERY-HELPFUL-MANAGER and she is in Monday - Friday from 9:00 to 5:00. Here is her card, if you would like to leave her a voice mail".

Patient: "The doctor is not listening to me! I need this test/medication/diet order/etc...!!" Nurse: "I'm sorry, but I am not in control of your plan of care. I can only follow doctor's orders. I would be happy to page the doctor for you to let him know of your concern. I will let you know when I hear from him/her".

Patient: "This hospital is ridiculous! I am sick and no one is helping me! I should have gone to COMPETING-HOSPTIAL-DOWN-THE-STREET! Nurse: "I can call the doctor to tell him that you are considering leaving AMA. Maybe he can come down and talk to you about it. Here is the AMA form, please read it over and sign it while you are waiting for your ride to come and get you". NOTE: Not sure how other people feel about this one. Once I just put the form on the table without even saying anything about it. Trust me, they never take you up on it!! They know they were already banned from the other places!

Finally, it may help to try to practice some of these scenarios in your head so you will be more prepared to react to them when they occur. It doesn't sound like your manager is all that interested in helping you, and that is a shame.

Love it! Playing the "I'm just a nurse" card is the best. These types of patients tend to think nurses are stupid and just follows orders so this is perfect.

Specializes in Family Nurse Practitioner.
Birdy, I want to tell you how sorry I am that you are struggling with this.

For those who don't believe this situation exists, let me tell you IT DOES. I was 4 months off orientation as a new grad on a similar medical floor (large inner-city hospital), and put in charge WITH my 6-7 patients. I feel your pain.

First: it is highly unlikely you will be fired for anything like this. I'm guessing it is hard to get people to work on this floor. Is there a high turn-over? Your manager already knows how stressful it is, and she is probably worried about keeping the staff she has.

Second: you will find these patients everywhere you go - unless and until they are banned.

Third: you sound like a "pleaser" kind of person, (like me), and may find it very difficult to handle situations like this. Just know, you will never be able to please this kind of patient. Their goal is to keep someone in the room engaging with them as much as possible. She was probably very satisfied that night to have someone indulge her so much!

Finally: The hospital I work at now is very concerned about patient satisfaction. I have on occasion escalated to the house manager (at night) very difficult patients who will come and smooth over the situation. This probably doesn't work in all facilities, though, and some of the house managers aren't very helpful anyway.

This is what I would try to do in the future, as other people have said: set boundaries, and don't argue/engage.

Patient: "I want more ice cream". Nurse: "I'm sorry, there is no more. Is there something else I can help you with?" if she repeats, so do you - no need for explaining or apologizing.

Patient: "So and so was rude to me". Nurse: "I'm sorry that happened to you, we take those kinds of complaints very seriously. Can you please write down in detail what happened so that I can forward your complaint to management? Thank you!"

Patient: "No one is answering my call light! I need help and you all are ignoring me!" Nurse: "We have 29 patients on the floor who all need our attention. If you are not happy with the staffing situation, I am sure that my manager would be interested in hearing about your concern. Her name is NOT-VERY-HELPFUL-MANAGER and she is in Monday - Friday from 9:00 to 5:00. Here is her card, if you would like to leave her a voice mail".

Patient: "The doctor is not listening to me! I need this test/medication/diet order/etc...!!" Nurse: "I'm sorry, but I am not in control of your plan of care. I can only follow doctor's orders. I would be happy to page the doctor for you to let him know of your concern. I will let you know when I hear from him/her".

Patient: "This hospital is ridiculous! I am sick and no one is helping me! I should have gone to COMPETING-HOSPTIAL-DOWN-THE-STREET! Nurse: "I can call the doctor to tell him that you are considering leaving AMA. Maybe he can come down and talk to you about it. Here is the AMA form, please read it over and sign it while you are waiting for your ride to come and get you". NOTE: Not sure how other people feel about this one. Once I just put the form on the table without even saying anything about it. Trust me, they never take you up on it!! They know they were already banned from the other places!

Finally, it may help to try to practice some of these scenarios in your head so you will be more prepared to react to them when they occur. It doesn't sound like your manager is all that interested in helping you, and that is a shame.

Love it! Playing the "I'm just a nurse" card is the best. These types of patients tend to think nurses are stupid and just follow orders so this is perfect.

Specializes in ICU.

I swear this is 90% of my alert and oriented patients. AT LEAST 90%.

I recently had one guy who was much better than he was on admit but the physicians wouldn't write orders for the patient to move because the patient needed "close attention." Seriously. Two liters nasal cannula, off pressors, off any sort of sedation... but they left him in ICU because he screamed constantly if there was no one in the room and his wife wanted someone to be able to run in every time he screamed and he just wouldn't get that kind of attention on the floor. Of course.

The other one I had a few nights back that was not really ICU criteria we kept because he was a danger to the staff and they couldn't monitor him closely enough on the floors. Heroin user, bad heart valve vegetation, but room air, saline locked, and no tele - but involuntarily committed and they wouldn't move him out of ICU because he had a history of trying to run and tackle people to escape. He punched and kicked several of our nurses in the time he was there. Fortunately, I didn't get injured, but with the way he was pacing with that hateful look on his face all night long, I was pretty anxious all night about getting the crap beat out of me. The next night, he made a break for it again, and it took five security guards and a couple good IMs to keep him down.

Apparently criteria for staying in ICU when you're not critically ill include being being needy, being delirious, going through drug withdrawals, and the threat of violence. I just can't even. It's gotten to the point that if I peep in my rooms and see no vents in either of my rooms when I walk in, I strongly think about sticking my fingers down my throat so I can puke and say I have a "stomach bug" so I can go home, because I know my night is going to be from Hades.

I had no idea people were this bad, and I worked customer service before becoming a nurse. Working customer service does not prepare you for being stuck with these hateful, awful people for 12 hours straight. At least at a store they only give you hell for thirty minutes at the most before they leave. If I had known being stuck with people for 12 hours would be this terrible, I never would have gone into nursing.

Specializes in Psych, Corrections, Med-Surg, Ambulatory.
I swear this is 90% of my alert and oriented patients. AT LEAST 90%.

I recently had one guy who was much better than he was on admit but the physicians wouldn't write orders for the patient to move because the patient needed "close attention." Seriously. Two liters nasal cannula, off pressors, off any sort of sedation... but they left him in ICU because he screamed constantly if there was no one in the room and his wife wanted someone to be able to run in every time he screamed and he just wouldn't get that kind of attention on the floor. Of course.

The other one I had a few nights back that was not really ICU criteria we kept because he was a danger to the staff and they couldn't monitor him closely enough on the floors. Heroin user, bad heart valve vegetation, but room air, saline locked, and no tele - but involuntarily committed and they wouldn't move him out of ICU because he had a history of trying to run and tackle people to escape. He punched and kicked several of our nurses in the time he was there. Fortunately, I didn't get injured, but with the way he was pacing with that hateful look on his face all night long, I was pretty anxious all night about getting the crap beat out of me. The next night, he made a break for it again, and it took five security guards and a couple good IMs to keep him down.

Apparently criteria for staying in ICU when you're not critically ill include being being needy, being delirious, going through drug withdrawals, and the threat of violence. I just can't even. It's gotten to the point that if I peep in my rooms and see no vents in either of my rooms when I walk in, I strongly think about sticking my fingers down my throat so I can puke and say I have a "stomach bug" so I can go home, because I know my night is going to be from Hades.

I had no idea people were this bad, and I worked customer service before becoming a nurse. Working customer service does not prepare you for being stuck with these hateful, awful people for 12 hours straight. At least at a store they only give you hell for thirty minutes at the most before they leave. If I had known being stuck with people for 12 hours would be this terrible, I never would have gone into nursing.

Good lord! Where do you work? And why are you still there? Your job makes dumpster-diving sound like an attractive option.

Seriously! 90%???? Yikes! I have never taken care of anyone like this patient before or since she was discharged lol similar, but nothing to that extreme or that manipulative. I'm sorry í ½í¸Ÿ

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.

Once in a while I used to get patients like this in my Acute Rehab Hospital days...the best thing about that position was there were multidisciplinary meetings and psych on staff...the downside was some of those pts were with us 6 months max.

OP, you did the right thing, and you won't get fired...if anything, maybe you can spur some options with dealing with pts with psychosocial issues, if not, keep doing what your doing, unapologetically.

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