I did this so in trouble

klone, MSN, RN · Mar 30, 2019

On 3/28/2019 at 9:49 PM, Flossy73 said:
But I did disobey the hospital manager and refused deployment.

Well, there you go. You were insubordinate. And by saying "It's your job to find the staff to cover the ward" the manager found that rude and unprofessional (and yeah, it does kinda sound rude and unprofessional).

JadedCPN, BSN, RN · Mar 30, 2019

I understand where your thought process was, but I do believe you were in the wrong.

Floaters are great when there is enough staff to have them. If a nurse called in and they couldn't find a replacement, it makes complete sense that the floater/helper nurse would instead be placed in the assignment to take a full load. Your refusal likely screwed over the other nurses because they had to bear the weight of the assignment you refused.

ocean.baby · Mar 30, 2019

On 3/28/2019 at 10:57 PM, Newgradnurse17 said:
I found this really hard to read. Very confusing structure. But what I can gather from this is you were in the wrong.
If they want you to work somewhere else you can’t just say no this ward needs me. And you can’t refuse to take pt load either
The shift coordinator on the ward and the manager are the ones in charge. If you were truely more needed where you were they wouldn’t of tried to move you.
Advocating is one thing, but out right refusing and this level of complaining is not acceptable.
This post sounds rude and unprofessional to me.
? You should not complain about the OP's confusing structure unless your post is written without errors.

ocean.baby · Mar 30, 2019

On 3/29/2019 at 2:40 AM, kp2016 said:
I understand the concept of having a floater nurse, smaller hospitals I’ve worked at used them to cover meal breaks and the OR/ ER transfers. But I don’t know anywhere that would allow a unit to have a “floater” essentially an extra nurse while a unit was working a whole nurse short due to a call out.
I can't believe that a hospital would let a nurse stay over and be paid overtime to cover an assignment that the floater could/should have covered!

klone, MSN, RN · Mar 31, 2019

Ocean Baby, nobody can tell what are your words and what you are quoting. You need to write your post BELOW the box you are quoting.

Workitinurfava, BSN, RN · Mar 31, 2019

Some things you can think but can not say unless you want to get fired or ruin your reputation. Nurses tend to be utilized in ways that they don't necessarily like or agree with it. It is a part of the job. If they need you they can use you and you have two options, comply or risk getting fired.

AFJ32780, MSN, RN, NP · Mar 31, 2019

It was a bit confusing but don’t worry it’s a website not a graded APA paper.

i would lay low for a bit and let the water cool before I would say anything else. Maybe then you converse with management.

NurseBlaq · Mar 31, 2019

Your rationale was right but your delivery was wrong.'

You have to choose your battles and this is one where you used the wrong weapons. There was a better way to relay your point without offending the supervisor. Management usually supports one another and that's why you were dinged.

From what I read, you seem to be more upset with the fact your manager didn't support you or hear your side of things, instead she backed up the supervisor on duty. If that's something that bothers you, maybe lay low and work while also seeking employment elsewhere. If it's something you can learn from and move on, stay put but learn to relay your gripes in a more diplomatic way.

40isthenew30 · Mar 31, 2019

We always pull the floater first to fill a staffing hole. That’s why we have floats. Do the two units have different managers or one manger covers both of your units? I would make a case for “ hey I might be more needed here” but still go where they decide they need you.

Luchador, CNA, EMT-B · Mar 31, 2019

On 3/28/2019 at 9:49 PM, Flossy73 said:
I have always been very proactive in supporting the people I work with, if i could get an extra nurse or if the ward acuity was high ask for a new admission to be transferred somewhere else. But this has changed everything and whether it's worth sticking your neck out to improve our working environment. However we have two wards, I was booked to be a floater however one of the regular staff did not turn up for work. As a floater we were told the role was to help out not take a load. So I declined to fill in and take a patient load but another nurse wanted to extend her hours so they were covered. The hospital manager called me and I was asked why I didn't take a patient load, I said my job was to float, also it was the managers job to find staff if wards were short. The ward I was on was fill of post op patient high acuity versus the other ward that was short and which had loads of empty beds. I kind of said the ward with the high acuity need me the most. So next morning a complaint went through to my boss that I was telling the manager what to do, that I was unprofessional, rude and refused to be deployed. My manager believed the complaint and warned me about my attitude and being rude. I wasn't. Don't managers believe in their staff anymore. Is it wrong to say it's the hospital managers job to find staff and was I wrong to refused to be deployed . Was I wrong to stick up for the ward who need me most. So now I'm seen as a rude unprofessional nurse who disobeyed manager orders. I feel these days we are supposed to be meak quiet nurses who just accept what the bosses tell us. That trying to support your colleagues that are drowning under high acuity workloads is futile. Anyway my manager believed the hospital manager even when thoughout my history of working for the organisation I've never had one person patient, visitor or colleague say I was unprofessional or rude. But I did disobey the hospital manager and refused deployment. Probably I should have saved myself grief and went to the other ward. I feel like leaving and starting again.

Boss was right to take you to the wood shed. I wonder if the other nurse really "wanted to extend her hours." Good chance see simply couldn't leave because she couldn't abandon her patients and you refused to help.

kyhoward1989 · Apr 1, 2019

It's the manager's job to find staffing to cover the ward... You were working underneath her, and she was your direct supervisor at that time. She told you to cover the ward, that was her finding staffing. You refusing is insubordination. I'm pretty sure I just repeated the last 2 pages of comments, but I'd take that as it is, and learn from it.

It doesn't sound like she was trying to stretch you thin, it sound's like she was genuinely trying to make the floor operate more efficiently and you weren't being a team player.

LilPeanut, MSN, RN, NP · Apr 1, 2019

I recommend anyone who is typing a longer story pause, re-read out loud, then edit as necessary. It's not about people being perfect, when it comes to grammar, but that language is about communication. Language doesn't work if people can't understand what is being said, and the rules/grammar are there to make things easier to read. Just like TYPING IN ALL CAPS WITH EXCLAMATION POINTS WILL BE VIEWED AS YELLING, typing in a solid block of text with little punctuation makes it seem like peoplearetalkingwithouttakinganybreathsorpauses and that can be very difficult to read because our brains don't read purely words, which is why we can all raed tihs wtoiuht teh lteters bneig in teh rgiht palcae.

Paragraphs are friends. Sentences are friends. Story structure is a friend. Think of it like an SBAR, to help guide what you were saying, or that you were trying to explain to a friend who knows nothing about your job (because we don't know much).

Yes, I know it's pedantic, but it really does affect how people are able to read and understand. My kids have a terrible time constructing a story sometimes, and it can be very challenging to listen and try and interact.

But people don't talk about rambling or difficulty reading because they are trying to be mean to you, they are doing it because they want to understand what was said and are having trouble.