(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
My grocery store did not handle food delivery/pick up competently. Items were missed, ignored and the staff would not wear masks. I did my own shopping. Now the grocery store has added Covid testing to their services. I will have to avoid those who are there for testing when they decide 'to just run over to grocery for a few things while they are there.' What a cluster.
Do they at least have a outdoors location or separate entrance for the Covid tests? In my opinion a grocery store seems like a supremely unfortunate choice for a Covid testing site ☹️
Yes it is some kind of portable building right next to grocery pickup and the store. My only consolation is that insurance is not accepted and $126 fee must be paid by cash or credit card so it will probably not be utilized much.
Asking people who think they are free to do whatever they like, regardless of its impact on others, does not work and you well know that.
12 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
Your rent and groceries would be paid.
I can pay so I find this gratuitous on your part. I should be so grateful for this I would happily stay home? Isn't this considered one of the big problems with a welfare state?
14 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
There is some evidence that this disease has been in circulation since Summer/fall of 2019
Please show the evidence.
46 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
I used to always shop at Walmart at midnight or later when few were there. Now that they have limited hours I'm forced to go when they are packed
No worry there, your 'free' N95 should protect you!
Asking people who think they are free to do whatever they like, regardless of its impact on others, does not work and you well know that.
I can pay so I find this gratuitous on your part. I should be so grateful for this I would happily stay home? Isn't this considered one of the big problems with a welfare state?
Please show the evidence.
No worry there, your 'free' N95 should protect you!
Also, perhaps you have the ability to choose whether to go out or not, but many others who are older have no choice but to work to pay their bills. Also, I'm not aware of anyone (besides me) seriously proposing N95 masks and faceshields be provided to at risk people free of charge. Also, as for "voluntary restrictions" not working I cannot remember the last time I saw someone here in Florida at a grocery or restaurant without a mask, and yet we do not have any laws or ordinances (outside of some places like Key West) that require them. We also have 100% capacity at restaurants (as an option) but the vast majority restrict to around 50% or at least require six feet separation. I would argue that voluntary restrictions are the only thing that works since if an authoritarian approach is taken people are likely to protest (both openly and passively) in a manner that will subvert efforts at things like vaccination, and distancing. Already, many businesses in some states like California have decided to remain open in abrogation of the law.
How's that working for California? People in more rural areas can't get their groceries delivered and maybe there volunteers who distribute PPE in urban areas, but they aren't going to drive to the boonies to do it. As for the restaurants that defiantly open, just put a broomstick in the exit doors and let them stay in there for 10 days and they can then come out. Viola! I'd be fine with that:)
many others who are older have no choice but to work to pay their bills.
And yet you advocate to make older individuals dependent on government payments...and we all have seen what happens in that economic situation. Instead of ultimately helping the older citizen to be out and about in society you are advocating turning each individuals home into its own nursing home by sending in food and other supplies, free of charge from the government.
4 hours ago, myoglobin said:
Also, perhaps you have the ability to choose whether to go out or not, but many others who are older have no choice but to work to pay their bills.
I have endeavored to provide a comfortable situation when I retired. Applied for any and every scholarship, worked 2 jobs when approaching graduate school and afterwards and lived in homes I was flipping to make money from the real estate. (lived in midwest with no a/c and shower) My tax records detail this. I still have a used books business that is on hold because of the difficulty obtaining stock. I did and do all this, not to hibernate in my home, creating my own nursing home placement.
The current paradigm is not sustainable. I personally know three business owners who have lost their small business(s) (and their about 20 employees who I do not personally know). My approach seeks to keep the "economic engine" strong enough to support benefits for the most vulnerable as opposed to "everyone" being on long term unemployment. In no case would I ever make it mandatory to wear PPE or maintain isolation not even if you were 93 with advanced cancer. Still, it would be an "option "for those who desired that support and to decrease their covid exposure. I anticipate having to work into my 80's probably not from home in the long term and having to work 70 plus hour weeks in to my 70's (I'm 51 owe 150K in student loans and other debt) and have no intention of even taking social security despite not having a penny in an IRA. The current system simply cannot endure even another year or two it will simply collapse and we will have to look at something like "universal basic income" for everyone (in combination with a "reset" to national debt) if current trends continue. Conversely, a scenario where those who can take more risk do and reopening the economy with some restrictions, might at least postpone (if not prevent) that day of reckoning.
(I'm 51 owe 150K in student loans and other debt) and have no intention of even taking social security despite not having a penny in an IRA.
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Thus, even if I never pay off my loans and I "retire" with 200K in student loans and my social security income is $2000.00 my payments would be "capped" at around $200.00 per month (actually less because you can deduct certain living expenses from that calculation).
The quote above is from you.....and don't forget to deduct the Medicare insurance payment which for me is currently (Part B) $144.60 and (Part C & D) $131.35. /so yes you cannot retire I would think on a monthly income of $1500.00. And your other plan on teaching 'in your golden years'?? A lot of nurses think this, but teaching is never a fall back plan.
The current system simply cannot endure even another year or two it will simply collapse
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(especially if we pay people at risk of covid to stay home)
and we will have to look at something like "universal basic income" for everyone (in combination with a "reset" to national debt) if current trends continue. Conversely, a scenario where those who can take more risk do and reopening the economy with some restrictions, might at least postpone (if not prevent) that day of reckoning.
Do you have any true knowledge background in economics? What is
you have a right to decline a vaccine - but its important to make an informed decision- is there a specific reason or underlying issue causing your angst towards it??
you have a right to decline a vaccine - but its important to make an informed decision- is there a specific reason or underlying issue causing your angst towards it??
I may end up taking the vaccine, However, I am staunchly opposed to it being mandated. For many, many years I fumed that doctors at the hospital where I worked did not have to take the influenza vaccine. Indeed, I ended up getting the flu almost every year and my managers would "harass me" for taking time off work for being sick (even though I worked with ICU patients) telling me I was "letting my coworkers down" and that I could just come in sick and wear a mask because I had, had the vaccine. I would always ask (frankly virtually harass) the MD's by asking them if they had received the flu vaccine and the vast majority told me that they didn't take it. Often family members would come in and visit patients despite being visibly sick, and when we would object administration would usually side against us (pre covid).
Do you have any true knowledge background in economics? What is
I was a double major in biology and economics before going back for nursing but so what. There are people with PhD's in economics on the left who I consider crazy and people on the right (think Milton Friedman) who many here would consider insane. Bottom line, we can afford to subsidize a small portion of our population, if most people are working. Especially, given that those older people would be the most likely to be in the ICU costing even more than the interventions that I propose.
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Do they at least have a outdoors location or separate entrance for the Covid tests? In my opinion a grocery store seems like a supremely unfortunate choice for a Covid testing site ☹️