I don't fit into nursing& nurse eating

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I am 48 and graduated 10 years ago. I have found nursing to be so hostile that I cannot endure it anymore, but I keep plugging on because I am now single and need to support myself. I was recently hired for an orthopedic rehab position that, during my orientation, morphed into a long term acute care hospital.

The staff is very upset about it. We get patients right from critical care and the delivery of patient care was recently changed from primary care to team nursing. I must state here that the staff has a reputation for chasing out new nurses because they are nurse eaters. I don't do well with this.

For compensation purposes an RN must do a full assessment at least once in 24 hours, so the assignments are set up-(like last evening) two RN's, one per hallway and three LPNs that pass the meds and do the treatment. The RNs are responsible for admissions, discharges, IV's, documentation, blood draws, etc. Most full assessments are done on daylight, so it is possible for an

RN to make herself available for prn pain meds, transfers, etc.

Any way, I have had a very hard time with the other staff. It seems that if you are not easy with a quick witted comeback or in the cool clique, you are fodder for their nastiness. I have been told in report that if I press the pause button one more time (d/t interruptions) that this nurse would "break my fingers". The other day we had an inservice on hospice and the discussion was who was going and who would stay on the floor. Due to my former position as a hospice nurse, it was decided that I would stay on the floor. When the supervisor walked away, this same nurse who threatened to break my fingers stated "just last week I killed a pt with IV morphine" Another nurse said, "you had MD orders to give it" and I stated, somewhat lamely " you didn't kill him Susan, what was the dose?" and she turned around and spat at me with venom-"How long were you a hopice nurse, a month?" I backed down because she can get very mean, and I walked away stating "I just don't like to see a nurse beat themselves up because they gave morphine and the pt died." She said "I wish I could kill you with IV morphine." I was very upset for the rest of the day and into the evening. I finally went to report her but the supervisor was in a meeting. The next day she begged forgiveness, and I did forgive her but told her that I was very upset and that it was extremely damaging and hurtful. We spoke congenially after that, but the emotional toll was great. As luck would have it, the next day a pt came in and the wife and dtr told me they were told "he came her to die". I asked if anyone had mentioned hospice, and she said "what is hospice?"

We don't contract with a hospice and we are still a rehap hospital, so it has been very confusing to the staff and family- the wife decided to give it a week to decide and she had much family and friends telling her what she should do. I gave her much impartial support and told her that it was not our job to tell her what to do, but to inform her as much as we could and she decided to take it day by day. NG tube feedings, copious pulmonary secretions, prob pneumonia and aspiration and ESRD. Yesterday the wife decided to let him go. On my 3-11 the pt had another nurse. I was alone at the station when the wife came up and asked me a question. I found out the answer, went to tell her and got involved with much emotional support and letting her know what she would see as far as the death process and how we would make him comfortable. He was very gurgly from the admission and I really thought he would not dry up (he had a scop patch and attropine gtts) and I emphasized that the mso4 would make him comfortable. She cried on my shoulder and I held her. We spoke about how long he could go on and her choices of inpatient if he lasted a couple days. I felt that he could since he was getting water flushes via NGT.

I found out that all the nurses and techs were at the station livid that I was in there and "who did I think I was?" I was then told by the evening supervisor to stay away and let the assigned nurse "handle anything else that comes up" I agreed, but I was really disconcerted by the mentality of the people that I work with. I examined my boundaries. I do not feel I was the only one who could do the job, although my backround and relationship that was established with the wife gave me an ability to give her support in this time. She was very grateful.

I just don't feel that I can fit into this profession. No matter what I do or how hard I try, I feel that my patients are grateful and benefit from my presence, but I just can't deal with the incredible hatefulness that pervades most nurses behavior. I don't have a mean bone in my body, but I come home every day examining my actions and blaming myself for either what comes my way (after all I must be doing something wrong to be so disliked) or hating myself for not standing up to them. I feel that standing up to them is a daily chore and it is just too draining. I have come to hate going to work and I am dreaming of the day I can open a small lingerie store or the like.

Thanks for listening.

Specializes in Emergency Room.

i find it really odd that when people have a bad experience in a nursing job, the first thing they say is it is "the nursing profession". "nursing is hostile", "nurses eat their young" and so forth. i don't dispute the fact that we all have had bad experiences, but the best way to move past these kind of obstacles is to not label every bad encounter as a result of being in the nursing profession. no matter what kind of profession you get into, there will be people who are vindictive, hateful, jealous and backstabbing. no profession is free from it. expect that you will encounter problems in any job, but when it get to the point that you can't tolerate it, of course it is time to move on. i work with a couple of nurses that have reputations for being mean. i call their behavior aggressive. it doesn't bother me one bit. they don't bother me probably because they know i will stand up for myself and not let just anyone intimidate me. i worked in banking and customer service with people who were 10x's worse than any nurse i ever encountered. like the other posters said..it isn't the same every where and as long as you label it a "nursing" problem you will limit the potential you have to work in a place you truly enjoy. good luck, you'll do fine :)

Specializes in Utilization Management.
I just don't feel that I can fit into this profession. No matter what I do or how hard I try, I feel that my patients are grateful and benefit from my presence, but I just can't deal with the incredible hatefulness that pervades most nurses behavior.

Sounds like you'd fit right into our unit.

Many of us, myself included, have had to deal with that kind of treatment in the profession. I finally found a great fit in my unit, and a manager who works hard to keep people such as you've described out.

Angel is right, however. The maltreatment certainly isn't limited to nursing, but because nurses are interdependent on one another, it makes it harder.

I recommend that you leave that job. There are plenty of others out there. You WILL find a better situation for your temperament and skills.

Please keep us posted, ok?

Specializes in med/surg.
I am 48 and graduated 10 years ago. I must state here that the staff has a reputation for chasing out new nurses because they are nurse eaters. I don't do well with this.

Any way, I have had a very hard time with the other staff. It seems that if you are not easy with a quick witted comeback or in the cool clique, you are fodder for their nastiness.

I have been told in report that if I press the pause button one more time (d/t interruptions) that this nurse would "break my fingers".

...this same nurse who threatened to break my fingers stated "just last week I killed a pt with IV morphine" She said "I wish I could kill you with IV morphine." I was very upset for the rest of the day and into the evening. I finally went to report her but the supervisor was in a meeting. The next day she begged forgiveness, and I did forgive her but told her that I was very upset and that it was extremely damaging and hurtful. We spoke congenially after that, but the emotional toll was great.

Yesterday the wife decided to let him go. On my 3-11 the pt had another nurse. I was alone at the station when the wife came up and asked me a question. I found out the answer, went to tell her and got involved with much emotional support and letting her know what she would see as far as the death process and how we would make him comfortable.

I found out that all the nurses and techs were at the station livid that I was in there and "who did I think I was?" I was then told by the evening supervisor to stay away and let the assigned nurse "handle anything else that comes up" I agreed, but I was really disconcerted by the mentality of the people that I work with.

Cargal,

It is NOT you. It's THEM. Trust me, been there, done that. What you've described is a hostile workplace - a formal complaint (letter) to your NM and HR, should be done. I'm glad for you she apologized, and you found it in your heart to forgive, just don't necessarily forget.

This is not what all nursing jobs/workplaces are about. Yes change happens, I'm sure you've seen all kinds of changes over the last 10yrs, probably nothing as dramatic as the changes from acute to rehab, and now hospice, that you're floor is going through. Change brings about a huge amount of stress, you and your co-workers need some support from mgmt/hr for this. Also, just because you had experience with hospice doesn't mean that your NM should automatically decide you're staying. What do you want to do?

Yes, you have to support yourself. No, you don't have to suffer to do it. Check on other openings, look at some agencies, and make a plan. If the plan is to stay because this is the best/only game in town, get help - for yourself, and admin willing for your co-workers. Hospice pts require gentle handling, lots of social/emotional support, their caregivers also require emotional support.

Personally, I would be so grateful, if you had the time to give one of my patient's family members some TLC if I was caught up with another patient/procedure/whatever. The only thing I'd ask, which is what I'd do for you is give you a heads-up afterwards saying "your pt asked about so & so, and I told them this & that"

Good luck, and remember if you're really interested in that lingerie shop - take the nursing twist and work with mastectomy patients.

Life is way too short to deal with all this BS.

cargal,

I have been in similar work environments. In my experience, the only way to survive in a viper pit is to become just another one of the vipers.

I would find a better environment if I were you.

I was a hospice nurse for four years, and you sound like a wonderful hospice nurse.

Hugs to you, ((((cargal))))).

And Angie, Can I come work with you, too? :)

Ok...sorry to hear this happened to you. Part of the beauty of Nursing is the massive amts of opportunity out there for nurses. There are too many jobs waiting to be explored to be miserable in this one!! Like is just too short! There are jerks everywhere you go...but there are also great folks who love what they do...Find them!!!!:)

I am 48 and graduated 10 years ago. I have found nursing to be so hostile that I cannot endure it anymore, but I keep plugging on because I am now single and need to support myself. I was recently hired for an orthopedic rehab position that, during my orientation, morphed into a long term acute care hospital.

The staff is very upset about it. We get patients right from critical care and the delivery of patient care was recently changed from primary care to team nursing. I must state here that the staff has a reputation for chasing out new nurses because they are nurse eaters. I don't do well with this.

For compensation purposes an RN must do a full assessment at least once in 24 hours, so the assignments are set up-(like last evening) two RN's, one per hallway and three LPNs that pass the meds and do the treatment. The RNs are responsible for admissions, discharges, IV's, documentation, blood draws, etc. Most full assessments are done on daylight, so it is possible for an

RN to make herself available for prn pain meds, transfers, etc.

Any way, I have had a very hard time with the other staff. It seems that if you are not easy with a quick witted comeback or in the cool clique, you are fodder for their nastiness. I have been told in report that if I press the pause button one more time (d/t interruptions) that this nurse would "break my fingers". The other day we had an inservice on hospice and the discussion was who was going and who would stay on the floor. Due to my former position as a hospice nurse, it was decided that I would stay on the floor. When the supervisor walked away, this same nurse who threatened to break my fingers stated "just last week I killed a pt with IV morphine" Another nurse said, "you had MD orders to give it" and I stated, somewhat lamely " you didn't kill him Susan, what was the dose?" and she turned around and spat at me with venom-"How long were you a hopice nurse, a month?" I backed down because she can get very mean, and I walked away stating "I just don't like to see a nurse beat themselves up because they gave morphine and the pt died." She said "I wish I could kill you with IV morphine." I was very upset for the rest of the day and into the evening. I finally went to report her but the supervisor was in a meeting. The next day she begged forgiveness, and I did forgive her but told her that I was very upset and that it was extremely damaging and hurtful. We spoke congenially after that, but the emotional toll was great. As luck would have it, the next day a pt came in and the wife and dtr told me they were told "he came her to die". I asked if anyone had mentioned hospice, and she said "what is hospice?"

We don't contract with a hospice and we are still a rehap hospital, so it has been very confusing to the staff and family- the wife decided to give it a week to decide and she had much family and friends telling her what she should do. I gave her much impartial support and told her that it was not our job to tell her what to do, but to inform her as much as we could and she decided to take it day by day. NG tube feedings, copious pulmonary secretions, prob pneumonia and aspiration and ESRD. Yesterday the wife decided to let him go. On my 3-11 the pt had another nurse. I was alone at the station when the wife came up and asked me a question. I found out the answer, went to tell her and got involved with much emotional support and letting her know what she would see as far as the death process and how we would make him comfortable. He was very gurgly from the admission and I really thought he would not dry up (he had a scop patch and attropine gtts) and I emphasized that the mso4 would make him comfortable. She cried on my shoulder and I held her. We spoke about how long he could go on and her choices of inpatient if he lasted a couple days. I felt that he could since he was getting water flushes via NGT.

I found out that all the nurses and techs were at the station livid that I was in there and "who did I think I was?" I was then told by the evening supervisor to stay away and let the assigned nurse "handle anything else that comes up" I agreed, but I was really disconcerted by the mentality of the people that I work with. I examined my boundaries. I do not feel I was the only one who could do the job, although my backround and relationship that was established with the wife gave me an ability to give her support in this time. She was very grateful.

I just don't feel that I can fit into this profession. No matter what I do or how hard I try, I feel that my patients are grateful and benefit from my presence, but I just can't deal with the incredible hatefulness that pervades most nurses behavior. I don't have a mean bone in my body, but I come home every day examining my actions and blaming myself for either what comes my way (after all I must be doing something wrong to be so disliked) or hating myself for not standing up to them. I feel that standing up to them is a daily chore and it is just too draining. I have come to hate going to work and I am dreaming of the day I can open a small lingerie store or the like.

Thanks for listening.

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.
i find it really odd that when people have a bad experience in a nursing job, the first thing they say is it is "the nursing profession". "nursing is hostile", "nurses eat their young" and so forth. i don't dispute the fact that we all have had bad experiences, but the best way to move past these kind of obstacles is to not label every bad encounter as a result of being in the nursing profession. QUOTE]

Well said. Thank you.

llg

I do agree that this is not unique to nursing. I do know however, that I am not suited to workiing in this type of environment. I still dream of a lingerie shop and being my own boss. Thanks for all the support.

Cargal,

there are a million jobs in this world, and I promise you there is someplace that will support you, appreciate your efforts, and let you leave at the end of the day knowing it was all worthwhile. My first nursing job was almost as bad as you described. I stayed for a year, I wanted to show them they weren't going to run me off! what a waste of a year. Where I am now is very supportive, practically family. Get out and don't look back, and above all have no regrets!!

I have been told in report that if I press the pause button one more time (d/t interruptions) that this nurse would "break my fingers". She said "I wish I could kill you with IV morphine." I was very upset for the rest of the day and into the evening. I finally went to report her but the supervisor was in a meeting. The next day she begged forgiveness, and I did forgive her but told her that I was very upset and that it was extremely damaging and hurtful.

I am so very sorry that you are being subjected to this abuse. Not only is this harassment, but this is a crime. What this nurse said is clearly Verbal Assault and is considered a misdemeanor under U.S. law. Let's put it this way, if I said that, to say, my grocer or someone that took my parking spot, that person could rightfully press charges and I would be arrested. This behavior should not be tolerated, ever. I hope you nurse manager writes this person up and explains that she is indeed inflicting verbal assault AND it will not be tolerated, ever!

I just don't feel that I can fit into this profession. No matter what I do or how hard I try, I feel that my patients are grateful and benefit from my presence, but I just can't deal with the incredible hatefulness that pervades most nurses behavior. I don't have a mean bone in my body, but I come home every day examining my actions and blaming myself for either what comes my way (after all I must be doing something wrong to be so disliked) or hating myself for not standing up to them. I feel that standing up to them is a daily chore and it is just too draining. I have come to hate going to work and I am dreaming of the day I can open a small lingerie store or the like.

Thanks for listening.

.....and people wonder why people are leaving nursing in droves. I have found that in the majority of medical settings, there is always one evil nurse that ruins it for everybody, yet nothing is ever done about it. Why is this? I have always been told to follow what you really want to do because that will make you the happiest. I think you should seriously look into opening a lingerie shop (or the like) because I bet you would find much more satisfaction doing this. I am currently looking into opening a drive-though coffee and tea house or even a doggy day care/kennel. I find that two-legged animals are much more vicious than the four-legged ones. :)

I've seen the attitude the OP is talking about. It really shakes your faith in nurses.

Luckily, I've landed a wonderful 7PM-7AM job as a private duty nurse in a home. It is a very quiet, very lonely job. I bring a book and watch tv, help my patient to the BSC once in awhile, check glucose levels a couple of times...I love it in that cocoon, and dread the thought of having to be thrown back out to the sharks one day in a regular hospital setting...

Specializes in LTC.

It seems like Nurse Lucrecia McEvil can do no wrong in the eyes of management where I come from. Whats up with that? :angryfire

It seems like Nurse Lucrecia McEvil can do no wrong in the eyes of management where I come from. Whats up with that? :angryfire

I agree. The behavior that is being demonstrated on your unit is considered "acceptable" somehow so it is allowed to grow and proliferate. It might also even be rewarded in some way. I believe this is indicative of weak management. Some one above is most likely perfectly aware of the behavior and has not taken steps to correct it, for whatever reason. Do you really want to stick around to find out? This problem is bigger than you and if you stay there, believe me, someone will figure out a way to fix you up as the scapegoat for the tension if something goes wrong on the unit. Then you will be trying to defend yourself and your license.This is not a safe place for you. It sounds like you are a kind and compassionate person, probably a blessing for the patients that end up on your miserable floor. As such, you will keep showing the others up for being the bad apples they are, and then they'll get really nasty. You will not end up just fighting for yourself against one person, more likely, you will end up fighting for yourself against several.

You can go to human resources, report the behavior and then watch your back every second, or you can remove yourself and find a job where other employees have the same values towards empathy and compassion that you do. The choice is yours. The first choice is exhausting and can go on forever if the top management in place doesn't feel the need to change. The old adage "You can't soar with eagles when you are flopping with turkeys" fits. You know there already is a big turkey at the top somewhere.

The second choice, searching for another position, is time consuming too. Often you don't know what a job is like until you get in it, and it is trial and error finding coworkers you can live with. The funny thing is, if you leave, you'll have people coming out of the woodwork at your present workplace to tell you how wonderful you are, and if you will reconsider? (That happened to me! I ended up leaving and evetually the bad apples did too after three years but you know who ended up staying? The turkey at the top!.)

You have been in nursing for ten years, so an agency that would allow you to temp in different environments might be a choice until you find the right fit. But its important to go while your record is clean before you find yourself in a position of having to defend yourself. I got out just in time. Lastly, you can create your own environment in something nursing related, which might be the thing. It takes courage and to be successful you need to align yourself with good resources - find someone who knows about business to help you. I think the suggestion about a lingerie shop for mastectomy patients or something along that line is wonderful. What poor mastectomy patient wouldn't appreciate a kind shop owner with insight into her dilemma? Whatever you do, please move on because your present situation will take its toll on you in one form or another. The other miserable thing that could happen is that you will become like one of them to survive - your soul will know it and you won't be able to live with yourself. Lastly, what a poor match between the type of staff on this unit and the type of patients that are now coming on it - hospice patients. I feel so sorry for both you and the patients. Do your best to take care of your little corner of the universe. There are still valuable contributions you can make in a different area of nursing without being a floor nurse. The rest will fall in place. Peace.

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