How will you optimize your personal mental health if "the other guy" wins the election?

myoglobin, ASN, BSN, MSN · Dec 17, 2020

15 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The fact that none of the examples you have provided actually evidence widespread voter fraud IS the point. The fact that millions of Trump supporters believe the lie rather than the evidence most certainly is important. The reality that too many Trump supporters believe that lying, cheating or violence is the way to retaining power for Trump is dangerous.

Clinton conceded in a timely and appropriate fashion.

Biden prevailed and Trump lost. Neither Trump nor his devotees are ready to accept that and that will be very dangerous and counter productive.

We disagree, I believe the evidence of substantial voter fraud including media suppression of the story involving illegal dealings between the Biden family and China and also Google/facebook suppression of these and other stories were additionally tantamount to voter manipulation. "We" are unlikely to alter our perspective on this and tens of millions of us will aggressively oppose what we see as something tantamount to a "coup d etat" by the deep state and their billionaire allies. Still, we are unlikely to be successful bringing me back to the initial point of the post how "the side that lost" might best psychologically (and otherwise) deal with their loss. Perhaps succession of certain states like Texas? Unlikely, therefore we are still burdened with our initial question.

MunoRN, RN · Dec 17, 2020

21 minutes ago, myoglobin said:

There has been a plethora of statistical analysis, and things like the video tape evidence in Georgia to name but two examples. I am sure you would not consider these credible, but that is not the point. About half of America (and most of the people who voted for Trump do). This thread is mainly about how "we" (the one's who lost) best deal with the fact that the very image of everything we oppose (and in many cases detest as an ideology) now controls the levers of power. Had "my guy" won (fairly or by fraud as was alleged by Hillary and many of her supporters) then the question would b how "your side" could deal with the same issues. However, you prevailed and we lost.

There's been no statistical analysis that suggests any election manipulation. Conspiracists had been touting the "one in quadrillion" claim, which was supposedly based on the fact that Trump was at first ahead in the election results and then fell behind. This was actually expected since the initial vote results coming in were more likely to be Trump votes, the later results (larger metro areas and absentee / mail in votes) were more likely to be Biden votes. Even Fox news pointed out on election night that even though Trump was ahead in Wisconsin he wasn't far enough ahead to stay ahead once the later results starting coming in that were more likely to favor Biden.

The "video tape evidence in Georgia" turned out to be video of the normal vote tabulation process where the ballots are initial opened and signature verification done with the ballots stored until the next step, counting, takes place. The Trump campaign admitted in court that the tape did not show any potential fraud or mismanagement of the process.

In more than 50 court cases, the Trump campaign admitted to having no evidence of election fraud, there was not a single case where they did present evidence.

If there was evidence of voter fraud, then I would agree, exposing that fraud is how we protect our democracy.

But at the same time, promoting false claims of a rigged election when no evidence exists is one of the more common ways that corrupt leaders and their followers try to tear down a democracy.

toomuchbaloney · Dec 18, 2020

41 minutes ago, myoglobin said:

We disagree, I believe the evidence of substantial voter fraud including media suppression of the story involving illegal dealings between the Biden family and China and also Google/facebook suppression of these and other stories were additionally tantamount to voter manipulation. "We" are unlikely to alter our perspective on this and tens of millions of us will aggressively oppose what we see as something tantamount to a "coup d etat" by the deep state and their billionaire allies. Still, we are unlikely to be successful bringing me back to the initial point of the post how "the side that lost" might best psychologically (and otherwise) deal with their loss. Perhaps succession of certain states like Texas? Unlikely, therefore we are still burdened with our initial question.

So this is essentially like a religion for you. Regardless of lack of actual evidence you believe. Should we call this new religion Trumpianity?

The best way for you or any Trump voterto deal with the loss of your candidate is to accept defeat, stop believing and promoting the lie that there was voter fraud or other irregularities or nefarious action which fraudulently elected Biden.

toomuchbaloney · Dec 18, 2020

1 hour ago, myoglobin said:

We disagree, I believe the evidence of substantial voter fraud including media suppression of the story involving illegal dealings between the Biden family and China and also Google/facebook suppression of these and other stories were additionally tantamount to voter manipulation. "We" are unlikely to alter our perspective on this and tens of millions of us will aggressively oppose what we see as something tantamount to a "coup d etat" by the deep state and their billionaire allies. Still, we are unlikely to be successful bringing me back to the initial point of the post how "the side that lost" might best psychologically (and otherwise) deal with their loss. Perhaps succession of certain states like Texas? Unlikely, therefore we are still burdened with our initial question.

The only coup attempt is currently underway with Trump at the helm. This isn't about the "deep state" paranoia that Trump has identified to blame all of the dysfunction and chaos that his incompetent grifting has generated. This is about the defeated IMPOTUS and mainstream republican political leadership encouraging people like you to believe nonsense, accept sedition, and cheer on the destruction of our republic. You're even talking about secession now...as if that's not a threat to our republic.

Gullibility is a real problem in this country.

allnurses Guide · Dec 18, 2020

Surveillance tape breeds false fraud claims in Georgia

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/politics/surveillance-tape-breeds-false-fraud-claims-in-georgia/

toomuchbaloney · Dec 18, 2020

1 minute ago, herring_RN said:

Surveillance tape breeds false fraud claims in Georgia

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/politics/surveillance-tape-breeds-false-fraud-claims-in-georgia/

But Trump supporters WANT to believe it.

myoglobin, ASN, BSN, MSN · Dec 18, 2020

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

So this is essentially like a religion for you. Regardless of lack of actual evidence you believe. Should we call this new religion Trumpianity?

The best way for you or any Trump voterto deal with the loss of your candidate is to accept defeat, stop believing and promoting the lie that there was voter fraud or other irregularities or nefarious action which fraudulently elected Biden.

That's thing we could devote hours to debate about the relative merits of our position and I doubt either of us would be changed much in our perspective. Hence, the topic at hand and subject of this thread. What will you do if the other guy wins for your mental health. Pretend for a second you are me. I deal with clients all day long far to the left of you (in likelihood) and I do my best to make positive inputs toward their mental health perspectives without interjecting my considerably right of center perspectives. Essentially, that is what I'm asking of you in this context.

toomuchbaloney · Dec 18, 2020

10 minutes ago, myoglobin said:

That's thing we could devote hours to debate about the relative merits of our position and I doubt either of us would be changed much in our perspective. Hence, the topic at hand and subject of this thread. What will you do if the other guy wins for your mental health. Pretend for a second you are me. I deal with clients all day long far to the left of you (in likelihood) and I do my best to make positive inputs toward their mental health perspectives without interjecting my considerably right of center perspectives. Essentially, that is what I'm asking of you in this context.

Too bad. This isn't a professional nurse patient relationship. This is a discussion forum. I don't need to make positive inputs toward your mental health. I'm just going to provide you facts, evidence and a reality check. You admit to believing things not in evidence, I don't need to humor that.

This notion that Trump lost because someone cheated is a dangerous lie...why are you spreading it?

Former Houston Officer Investigating ‘Fraudulent’ Ballots Is Charged With Assault https://nyti.ms/2WnMw4Q

allnurses Guide · Dec 18, 2020

Read or watch and listen to the hearing regarding the video. The relevant section begins with Senator Heath: at 02:51:38.

Dec 3, 2020 Georgia Senate Election Hearing Transcript

Senator Heath: There’s been a lot in the media about some of the elections officials or election board, I’m not sure what, that left while there was still some counting process going on. And the only reason I ask this question is that I believe with all my heart, there’s a lot of misinformation out that we’re all struggling with...

Speaker 7: (02:52:27)
Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity, because I was with the elections director the night of the election when this came up. Originally, we were processing absentee ballots at State Farm Arena. We had a number of staff there who had been there since early that morning when the water break that we talked about earlier occurred.

Speaker 7: (02:52:52)
One of the managers had apparently directed some of the staff to leave about 10:30 that night. I was with the elections director when he told them, “No, you need to ensure that staff stay and continue working. We still have a lot more work to do.” Some of the employees did leave at 10:30, and at that time, my understanding is that at the time they left, or before they left, some of the observers also left.

Speaker 7: (02:53:23)
They may have had a conversation with some of the workers there and told them they were leaving at 10:30. I wasn’t personally there for that. So I can’t speak to it. There were people, however, there was a secretary of state monitor who stayed. Once there was clarification that these workers were going to continue, additional monitors stayed.

Speaker 7: (02:53:46)
So I believe it was a communication issue. I always say that every problem at some level is a communication problem, and I believe that is what occurred there. There was no intentional misleading of anyone. There was nothing untoward that occurred, but some of the workers stayed at that time. Some workers stayed, some left, some of the observers, as I understand it, had left. But there was a secretary of state monitor there the entire time. I hope that helps...

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/georgia-senate-election-hearing-transcript-december-3

myoglobin, ASN, BSN, MSN · Dec 18, 2020

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Too bad. This isn't a professional nurse patient relationship. This is a discussion forum. I don't need to make positive inputs toward your mental health. I'm just going to provide you facts, evidence and a reality check. You admit to believing things not in evidence, I don't need to humor that.

This notion that Trump lost because someone cheated is a dangerous lie...why are you spreading it?

Former Houston Officer Investigating ‘Fraudulent’ Ballots Is Charged With Assault https://nyti.ms/2WnMw4Q

Almost half of America sees it from this perspective. In my facebook group of about 15 guys that I graduated from Highschool in Indiana I am one of the most moderate, and most were far more vociferous that was I. Also, this thread wasn't about "winning fairly" or debating issues. It was specifically about mental health and dealing with "what if your guy lost." If the situation were reversed I assure you I would be giving you the best input of which I was capable and not focusing on why you should "just accept that Trump won and that Biden wasn't cheated" I would do that to the best of my ability whether you were a client or just a fellow nurse.

toomuchbaloney · Dec 18, 2020

15 minutes ago, myoglobin said:

Almost half of America sees it from this perspective. In my facebook group of about 15 guys that I graduated from Highschool in Indiana I am one of the most moderate, and most were far more vociferous that was I. Also, this thread wasn't about "winning fairly" or debating issues. It was specifically about mental health and dealing with "what if your guy lost." If the situation were reversed I assure you I would be giving you the best input of which I was capable and not focusing on why you should "just accept that Trump won and that Biden wasn't cheated" I would do that to the best of my ability whether you were a client or just a fellow nurse.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that an entire segment of "conservative" white men have been radicalized. From white boys crossing state lines with rifles to pretend that they are protecting something to middle aged white boys deciding that they should kidnap a governor or try to file illegitimate electoral college votes...all of that is radical..and illegal. That millions of people are deluded into thinking that the most corrupt president of a lifetime couldn't possibly have lost an election unless the other guy cheated is certainly a matter to consider when talking about post election mental health.

What you seem not to understand is that it is ridiculous to suggest that if Trump had won there would be this type of nonsense going on. This is textbook tyrannt stuff. Despots don't concede. Despots break things.

I'm not suggesting that you just accept that Biden won, I telling you that there was no fraud, Trump lost because he was a terrible president and candidate and you are believing nonsense when you believe that Trump is/was a victim.

Frankly, given the amount of conspiracy theory, fear mongering and political baloney that you have shared in these threads, I'm not certain that the "best of your ability" is much of a promise.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Dec 18, 2020

17 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Sure.

Meanwhile, exactly none of the media that I read or listen to suggests to me that the "otherside" is evil or that hate is the focus of anyone. We do know that Fox news and OAN are in the practice of talking that way. They mention hate during their programming 5x more than any other msm outlet. That reality shows in the language of those who routinely rely upon those outlets for information.

I hope that you can endure as well as you endured the Obama presidency. You didn't lose you guns, you can still worship as preferred and we still have a military. Going forward you will hopefully have to endure improvements to our health system, a corrected tax code, affordable education and interest in protecting our environment.

Wyoming schools rank 40th (from the top) so yeah, go to a state when a

rotten educational system whose people reflect you values. Really? Obama is over and I live living in the present rather than spending any intellectual energy on what has already passed. I didn't vote for Obama but he is a statesman compared to Trump the Destroyer of Everything. It's a big clue if he can't manage to make money in the casino business, he probably can't run a country.