How many unvaccinated coworkers are you aware of?

subee, MSN, CRNA · Sep 23, 2021

37 minutes ago, listless reads said:

I put the definition for context as to mitigate confusion. Multiple ways to use the word. No disrespect intended.

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and no. The rhetoric this post is, and incites, is insidious. The rhetoric will accumulate more division.

I'm sorry but what rhetoric are you talking about? It's a debate of ideas. It's a forum and that's what we do here;) You don't have to like it; nor do you have to read a forum if it's not your taste.

listless reads · Sep 23, 2021

Just now, subee said:

I'm sorry but what rhetoric are you talking about? It's a debate of ideas. It's a forum and that's what we do here;) You don't have to like it; nor do you have to read a forum if it's not your taste.

Soooo....my idea is that the rhetoric is insidious ;)

see how that works? creative thinking ?

SmilingBluEyes · Sep 23, 2021

I don't think I like your sarcastic and patronizing tone at all, Listless.

listless reads · Sep 23, 2021

3 hours ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

I don't think I like your sarcastic and patronizing tone at all, Listless.

Then, in response to your dislike, let me reference a previous comment you liked.

4 hours ago, subee said:

It's a debate of ideas. It's a forum and that's what we do here;) You don't have to like it; nor do you have to read a forum if it's not your taste.

hypocrisy at its finest.

brandy1017, ASN, RN · Sep 23, 2021

On 9/9/2021 at 3:24 PM, DesiDani said:

How have you expressed your displeasure about their choice? Are you questioning why they have not been terminated yet?

It seems like all your posts are full of displeasure and disdain toward your fellow coworkers and even patients. If your coworkers are fired are you ready to have even higher patient loads due to an even greater shortage of nurses? Will this make you feel satisfied and smug? Will everyone be better off with even less staff? Will the patients be safer with even less staff! I don't think so.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Sep 23, 2021

2 hours ago, brandy1017 said:

It seems like all your posts are full of displeasure and disdain toward your fellow coworkers and even patients. If your coworkers are fired are you ready to have even higher patient loads due to an even greater shortage of nurses? Will this make you feel satisfied and smug? Will everyone be better off with even less staff? Will the patients be safer with even less staff! I don't think so.

So far, the meager evidence we have indicates that nurses and other workers under mandates are NOT leaving their jobs. I've already listed you one source on this thread but others are popping up. Of course we have disdain, at this point in time, towards nurses that won't get vaccinated. I think the people who are hesitant at this point are irrational and don't understand what vaccines are or what they are even supposed to do. Our hospital here is 80% vaccinated but they are mandating , as of a few days ago, anyway. People have had a chance to see now that vaccinated pregnant women are better off than the unvaccinated, no one died from the vaccine or suffered any long term effects, etc. and will decide that losing a decent job, in an institution where the large majority of employees are reasonable and kind enough , isn't worth being unemployed.

toomuchbaloney · Sep 23, 2021

3 hours ago, brandy1017 said:

It seems like all your posts are full of displeasure and disdain toward your fellow coworkers and even patients. If your coworkers are fired are you ready to have even higher patient loads due to an even greater shortage of nurses? Will this make you feel satisfied and smug? Will everyone be better off with even less staff? Will the patients be safer with even less staff! I don't think so.

It's difficult to imagine why nurses want to refuse the vaccine and create this type situation, but here we are. Do you suppose that they feel satisfied and smug? They caused the problem.

What amount of disdain results in refusal to vaccinate in order to protect vulnerable patients? How did that happen?

macawake, MSN · Sep 23, 2021

5 hours ago, brandy1017 said:

It seems like all your posts are full of displeasure and disdain toward your fellow coworkers and even patients. If your coworkers are fired are you ready to have even higher patient loads due to an even greater shortage of nurses? Will this make you feel satisfied and smug? Will everyone be better off with even less staff? Will the patients be safer with even less staff! I don't think so.

I’m reasonably certain that the OP isn’t expressing support of terminating nurses who have chosen to not get vaccinated. I believe that OP is taking a jab at posters here who support vaccine mandates and/or frown at healthcare professionals who choose not to vaccinate. Not the other way around. I suspect that OP is looking for a bit of drama. In my experience OP often takes the circuitous route, instead of sharing their own opinion on a given topic. Anyway, that’s my take on this thread.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Sep 23, 2021

Contacted the home care agency I consult to remind them of need to send letter I created re Philadelphia, PA mandating Covid vaccination or medical/religious exemption form submission by 10/15/2021 to all staffs homes in addition to the phone notification they were making past week. Had emailed them PA state medical/religious exemption form for staff use as few are declining vaccination.

Agency provides personal care assistance/direct care workers that consumers select, often family members of consumer. Making yearly supervision visit over next month, so will additionally obtain our consumers status; many live in one of the most under vaccinated sections of Philadelphia, all are home bound so expect to facilitate vaccinations. Will let you know my results.

DesiDani · Sep 23, 2021

On 9/14/2021 at 1:21 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you think the larger concern might be having unvaccinated staff caring for vulnerable patients who might not survive covid infection? Unvaccinated staff are more likely to transmit virus from an asymptomatic illness to an unsuspecting patient or vulnerable staff member in the work environment.

More concern should be for rushed tested patients from ER being transferred to a unit, instead of HCW who wear required surgical mask while on duty who may not be vaccinated. My last shift yet another patient had to be isolated cause a patient from ER who was tested negative later turned out to be positive.

Not vaccinated, then they shouldn't have the option to wear surgical mask. N95 all the time while in patient care areas.

DesiDani · Sep 23, 2021

On 9/18/2021 at 8:07 AM, subee said:

Cannot condone firing qualified nurses who are not vaxxed when we have critical shortages in most of the country. I think we continue with PPE and such and frequent testing in order to keep our nurses. Just my two cents.

I agree. Some are relaxed with the PPE because they are vaccinated. And remember there are those who cannot get vaccinated. These patients can get covid from the vaccinated AND the unvaccinated.

So you get rid of the unvaccinated, leading to a higher patient to hcw ratio. That will not cause things to spread.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Sep 23, 2021

1 minute ago, DesiDani said:

I agree. Some are relaxed with the PPE because they are vaccinated. And remember there are those who cannot get vaccinated. These patients can get covid from the vaccinated AND the unvaccinated.

So you get rid of the unvaccinated, leading to a higher patient to hcw ratio. That will not cause things to spread.

This is strange.. I never wrote what is attributed to me above. I would never say that.