How many unvaccinated coworkers are you aware of?

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How have you expressed your displeasure about their choice? Are you questioning why they have not been terminated yet?

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11 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

As opposed to all of the other vaccines that provide 100% protection? Vaccines do not need to be (nor will ever be) 100% effective. It is irrefutable to argue that covid vaccines are not incredibly effective at reducing both illness and M&M, at least over the 12 months we have data on, and against numerous variants.  

Love folks who cherry pick a piece of a prior post and take things out of context. So, for those who stumble across this thread and think I am anti-vax...I am not. Had my first dose in Dec 2020. My point was, the rabid "You must be vaccinated or you are the scum of the earth and not fit to be a medical professional" crowd are out of line and they preach the vaccine is the only thing that will save the world. It is a piece of the puzzle. As BostonFNP astutely pointed out, vaccines are not 100% effective. In my ealrier posts in the thread I even agreed they vaccine is effect at protecting those who receive it. But again, cherry pick and post as you like. That was part of my point. I also have said and continue to say, I tell folks to get the  vaccine and I also tell folks I am anti-mandated vaccine. I suppose it is the Libertarian in me. Guess that is too hard for many to comprehend, individual thought where I trust people to make there own decisions. The science is not the issue with me, I trust the vaccine. I encourage my adult family members and friends to get it. I do not belittle them or co-workers who chose not to. I think that is wrong and out of line. Apparently I am wrong for not being on the "rabid" side of this argument, but I'm fine with that. 30 years in uniform before switching to emergency medicine world makes my skin a little thicker so I don't mind the sniping. I also realize that many who are in the "rabid" side are insecure and feel strong and powerful when they belittle others because that is all they have.  

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1 hour ago, RJMDilts said:

Oh, how selfish of them!! I can't believe that they are allowed to breath the air let alone work in healthcare.....Only kidding. I am sure they have the same level of care, concern, compassion and competence with or without the vaccine, considering they worked without it for almost a year. God Bless them

It's OB.  They are so cut off from sick people that they have no idea what's going on in the rest of the hospital or with medicine in general.  So I'm not surprised that they would be the specialty most opposed to vaxxing.  I still doubt that most of them do not want to be without a paycheck, health bennies or  a future in nursing.  There are lots of new grads who would love to work in OB and they are all replaceable quickly. 

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They are so cut off from sick people that they have no idea what's going on in the rest of the hospital or with medicine in general. 

In trying to understand the absurdly high anti-vax rate among my coworkers and colleagues, this explanation makes sense. It's not real to them, any critically-ill pregnant patient is sent to ICU. 

I disagree that it's easy to train and replace OB nurses, but appreciate the optimism that there's a pool of (vaccinated!) RNs who want to enter the specialty.

Is there any breakdown published anywhere of which areas of nursing have lowest rates of Covid vaccination? I'm interested, and if OB is up there, I won't be surprised.

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57 minutes ago, RJMDilts said:

 As BostonFNP astutely pointed out, vaccines are not 100% effective. In my ealrier posts in the thread I even agreed they vaccine is effect at protecting those who receive it.  The science is not the issue with me, I trust the vaccine.

The "vaccine is not 100% effective" is a common excuse used by anti-vaxxers. I picked that part of your post to clarify because I think its important for other that read it and do cherry pick what you post as an excuse not to get the vaccine. Thanks for solidifying your position.  

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Judging people who do not consent to this study is immoral and goes against the spirit of nursing. No experimental vaccine should be forced on anyone. We are still in clinical trials of this vaccine thru 2022 to 2023. Your vaccine status does not keep you from transmitting the virus or make you in any way better than someone who chooses not to be a part of this experiment. Our hospital was going to fire people for the safety of all that didn't sign up for the experiment then realized they would lose too many so they rescinded. So much for their safety for all concern when it effects their bottom dollar. 

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15 hours ago, Airwolf said:

Judging people who do not consent to this study is immoral and goes against the spirit of nursing. No experimental vaccine should be forced on anyone. We are still in clinical trials of this vaccine thru 2022 to 2023. Your vaccine status does not keep you from transmitting the virus or make you in any way better than someone who chooses not to be a part of this experiment. Our hospital was going to fire people for the safety of all that didn't sign up for the experiment then realized they would lose too many so they rescinded. So much for their safety for all concern when it effects their bottom dollar. 

 OK. I'll wait 2023 after they try the vaccines on bananas, watermelons, and mangos. 

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36 minutes ago, Honyebee said:

 OK. I'll wait 2023 after they try the vaccines on bananas, watermelons, and mangos. 

LOL they do love there high horse don't they... 

 

The vaccine websites themselves state they can't list long term effects of vaccine bacuse clincal trials are still ongoing so I see your point. 

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15 hours ago, Airwolf said:

Judging people who do not consent to this study is immoral and goes against the spirit of nursing. No experimental vaccine should be forced on anyone. We are still in clinical trials of this vaccine thru 2022 to 2023. Your vaccine status does not keep you from transmitting the virus or make you in any way better than someone who chooses not to be a part of this experiment. Our hospital was going to fire people for the safety of all that didn't sign up for the experiment then realized they would lose too many so they rescinded. So much for their safety for all concern when it effects their bottom dollar. 

The last phase of full clinical trials ended almost a year ago. 

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Not many tbh. Our hospital actually has a high vaccination rate. I tell ya what though. There is one nurse who didn't want the vaccine . Well her kids may have gotten it and so she has had to stay in quarantine with them per our quarantine rules so she has to use her own sick time. She is freaking out. If she was vaccinated she wouldn't have to miss work (as long as she had no symptoms) and if she did get a break through case she wouldn't have to use her own time (with our hospital there is a bank of hours so you don't have to use your own) so that alone is causing her to rethink her decision. 

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10 hours ago, subee said:

It's OB.  They are so cut off from sick people that they have no idea what's going on in the rest of the hospital or with medicine in general.  So I'm not surprised that they would be the specialty most opposed to vaxxing.  I still doubt that most of them do not want to be without a paycheck, health bennies or  a future in nursing.  There are lots of new grads who would love to work in OB and they are all replaceable quickly. 

What country do you live one? If it is the U.S., please share the data too support that "Lots of new grads" statement. Replaceable quickly? This is not Sheetz or McDonalds. If finding nurses was so easy, travel nurses would not be offered more than $100-150/hour for assignments.

There will be a shortage of 154 018 RNs by 2020 and 510 394 RNs by 2030; the South and West regions will have higher shortage ratios than Northeast and Midwest regions. This reflects a nearly 50% overall improvement when compared with the authors' prior study, and the low-performing states have improved from 18 "D" and 12 "F" grades as published earlier to 13 "D" and 1 "F" in this study. Although progress has been made, efforts to foster the pipelines for improving the nursing workforce need to be continued. 

Zhang X, Tai D, Pforsich H, Lin VW. United States Registered Nurse Workforce Report Card and Shortage Forecast: A Revisit. Am J Med Qual. 2018 May/Jun;33(3):229-236. doi: 10.1177/1062860617738328. Epub 2017 Nov 28. PMID: 29183169.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Employment Projections 2019-2029, Registered Nursing (RN) is listed among the top occupations in terms of job growth through 2029. The RN workforce is expected to grow from 3 million in 2019 to 3.3 million in 2029, an increase of 221,900 or 7%. The Bureau also projects 175,900 openings for RNs each year through 2029 when nurse retirements and workforce exits are factored into the number of nurses needed in the U.S.

Nursing school enrollment is not growing fast enough to meet the projected demand for RN and APRN services.

Though AACN reported a 5.1% enrollment increase in entry-level baccalaureate programs in nursing in 2019, this increase is not sufficient to meet the projected demand for nursing services, including the need for more nurse faculty, researchers, and primary care providers.

A shortage of nursing school faculty is restricting nursing program enrollments.

According to AACN’s report on 2019-2020 Enrollment and Graduations in Baccalaureate and Graduate Programs in Nursing, U.S. nursing schools turned away 80,407 qualified applicants from baccalaureate and graduate nursing programs in 2019 due to insufficient number of faculty, clinical sites, classroom space, and clinical preceptors, as well as budget constraints. Almost two-thirds of the nursing schools responding to the survey pointed to a shortage of faculty and/or clinical preceptors as a reason for not accepting all qualified applicants into their programs. https://www.aacnnursing.org/News-Information/Fact-Sheets/Nursing-Shortage 

I could post more but I think I have made my point. Replacing ANY nurses is not going to be quick nor easy.

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12 hours ago, BostonFNP said:

Why do you think physicians have a vaccination rate 75% of while nurses are at 56%?

I have no earthly idea. Wonder why it's not 100%?

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1 hour ago, RJMDilts said:

What country do you live one? If it is the U.S., please share the data too support that "Lots of new grads" statement. Replaceable quickly? This is not Sheetz or McDonalds. If finding nurses was so easy, travel nurses would not be offered more than $100-150/hour for assignments.

There will be a shortage of 154 018 RNs by 2020 and 510 394 RNs by 2030; the South and West regions will have higher shortage ratios than Northeast and Midwest regions. This reflects a nearly 50% overall improvement when compared with the authors' prior study, and the low-performing states have improved from 18 "D" and 12 "F" grades as published earlier to 13 "D" and 1 "F" in this study. Although progress has been made, efforts to foster the pipelines for improving the nursing workforce need to be continued. 

Zhang X, Tai D, Pforsich H, Lin VW. United States Registered Nurse Workforce Report Card and Shortage Forecast: A Revisit. Am J Med Qual. 2018 May/Jun;33(3):229-236. doi: 10.1177/1062860617738328. Epub 2017 Nov 28. PMID: 29183169.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Employment Projections 2019-2029, Registered Nursing (RN) is listed among the top occupations in terms of job growth through 2029. The RN workforce is expected to grow from 3 million in 2019 to 3.3 million in 2029, an increase of 221,900 or 7%. The Bureau also projects 175,900 openings for RNs each year through 2029 when nurse retirements and workforce exits are factored into the number of nurses needed in the U.S.

Nursing school enrollment is not growing fast enough to meet the projected demand for RN and APRN services.

Though AACN reported a 5.1% enrollment increase in entry-level baccalaureate programs in nursing in 2019, this increase is not sufficient to meet the projected demand for nursing services, including the need for more nurse faculty, researchers, and primary care providers.

A shortage of nursing school faculty is restricting nursing program enrollments.

According to AACN’s report on 2019-2020 Enrollment and Graduations in Baccalaureate and Graduate Programs in Nursing, U.S. nursing schools turned away 80,407 qualified applicants from baccalaureate and graduate nursing programs in 2019 due to insufficient number of faculty, clinical sites, classroom space, and clinical preceptors, as well as budget constraints. Almost two-thirds of the nursing schools responding to the survey pointed to a shortage of faculty and/or clinical preceptors as a reason for not accepting all qualified applicants into their programs. https://www.aacnnursing.org/News-Information/Fact-Sheets/Nursing-Shortage 

I could post more but I think I have made my point. Replacing ANY nurses is not going to be quick nor easy.

There's a huge difference between recruiting ICU nurses to care for Covid patients than for looking for OB nurses.  It's an OK place for raw beginners because the large majority of the patients are super resilient.

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