How many unvaccinated coworkers are you aware of?

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How have you expressed your displeasure about their choice? Are you questioning why they have not been terminated yet?

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
1 hour ago, RJMDilts said:

 

I could post more but I think I have made my point. Replacing ANY nurses is not going to be quick nor easy.

It's important for critical staff to be protected from the vaccine preventable disease that is filling hospitals with sick patients.  Vaccination is the best way to protect those staff and the patients.  The staff get to choose if they will work with those employers mandating vaccine or with employers who don't. The unvaccinated continue to work until they get exposed and must quarantine or get infected and must quarantine.  They don't need to be fully replaced in the job market unless they die or stop practicing. They just can't work where there are mandates to protect patients and other employees. 

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15 hours ago, Airwolf said:

Judging people who do not consent to this study is immoral and goes against the spirit of nursing. No experimental vaccine should be forced on anyone. We are still in clinical trials of this vaccine thru 2022 to 2023. Your vaccine status does not keep you from transmitting the virus or make you in any way better than someone who chooses not to be a part of this experiment. Our hospital was going to fire people for the safety of all that didn't sign up for the experiment then realized they would lose too many so they rescinded. So much for their safety for all concern when it effects their bottom dollar. 

Oh, just because the vaccine doesn't 100% prevent transmission, that's a reason for a patient-care worker to refuse it?  At an average of $48,000 cost per hospital Covid admission, at what percentage vaccination rate do we start to bring our health care morbidity and mortality down?  We have spent billions of dollars and strained our hospital workers to the breaking point.  And you, in your ignorance, still want to promote hesitency.  

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18 minutes ago, subee said:

There's a huge difference between recruiting ICU nurses to care for Covid patients than for looking for OB nurses.  It's an OK place for raw beginners because the large majority of the patients are super resilient.

You completely miss the point. There are not a plethora of "Raw Beginners" to send ANYWHERE. I didn't say we didn't have a bunch of experienced nurses to pick from. There is a shortage of new nurses coming out, PERIOD. Perhaps you didn't bother to actually read my post. As for your cavalier attitude about where to palace "Raw" RN's..OB has one of the highest if not the highest rates in medicine, so I doubt most MD/DO would be happy to see an army of "RAW" RN's backing them up. I for one would not want a bunch of beginners handling my newborn without adequate experienced RN guidance. Jeez, I cannot believe your response as your supposed to be a CRNA. You are probably the one that liked to put 22ga IV in folks having "routine" procedures because "nothing" ever happens. Then I get to deal with inadequate access in the ED when rapid response brings them down and we have to place adequate IV access to resuscitate them. Please actually read the data before making comments. The data shows we don't have the pipeline loaded and ready to fill vacancies that are normally occurring from retirement, burnout, etc., let alone the ones coming from the mandate.

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22 minutes ago, RJMDilts said:

I for one would not want a bunch of beginners handling my newborn

I wouldn't want unvaccinated health workers handling my vulnerable newborn. 

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22 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's important for critical staff to be protected from the vaccine preventable disease that is filling hospitals with sick patients.  Vaccination is the best way to protect those staff and the patients.  The staff get to choose if they will work with those employers mandating vaccine or with employers who don't. The unvaccinated continue to work until they get exposed and must quarantine or get infected and must quarantine.  They don't need to be fully replaced in the job market unless they die or stop practicing. They just can't work where there are mandates to protect patients and other employees. 

And there you have it. When staff leave due to mandates, they definitely need to be replaced. As the data (from real research) shows, there are not enough new nurses to replace the normal turnover, and the increased turnover will exacerbate the issue. I have never argued against the vaccine and will not start now as I encourage everyone to get it. That being said, those vaccinated who are left then deal with increased patient ratios in all areas, Med-Surg, ED, ICU, etc., which increases danger to the patients, and decreases the quality of patient care. We have held patients waiting for TICU/MICU/NeuroICU beds in my ED for 30+ hours and MED-Surg meds for 40+ hours due to staffing shortages unrelated to being vaxed or not. The suits and bean counters better be prepared for the satisfaction scores to continue to drop when they are let go for not being vaxed. I wonder which is more detrimental to the patient, a qualified RN who is in proper/appropriate PPE and unvaxed  or a vaxxed RN in the same PPE who was late administering a cardiac medication because her/his patient ratio went from 4:1 to 6:1 or whatever number you want to throw in there? Or The ICU Bound ED Boarder who should be in ICU in a 2:1 ration is in the ED intubated on a vent with Levo, Propofol, and Fentanyl running with an RN who has a 4-1 ratio? That ED patient example I mentioned is a daily reality and is based on my personal experience as an Trauma ED RN. I have to juggle that critical patient with 3 others and guess what, sometimes they are not ESI 3/4, but ESI 2 or leveled traumas as well. The clinical research says that those ICU patients have poor outcomes the longer they stay in the ED and are not in the ICU. So while I am on board with the vaccine, losing qualified nurses is as dangerous to patients as unvaccinated nurses.

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.

Nurses get to choose to vaccinate against a deadly disease...or not.  That choice will affect their employment in many cases.  That choice is on them, they will be the individuals deciding that remaining unvaccinated is the important objective. They get to decide for themselves. 

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25 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I wouldn't want unvaccinated health workers handling my vulnerable newborn. 

They were/are doing it since the beginning of the pandemic.

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2 minutes ago, RJMDilts said:

They were/are doing it since the beginning of the pandemic.

Now there's a safer and better choice available; vaccination. Evidence based practice should result in a nurse seeking vaccination for her/himself because the evidence overwhelmingly supports the recommendation for all to vaccinate against this pandemic. 

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15 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Now there's a safer and better choice available; vaccination. Evidence based practice should result in a nurse seeking vaccination for her/himself because the evidence overwhelmingly supports the recommendation for all to vaccinate against this pandemic. 

Have I ever said the vaccine is unsafe or said not get it in any of these threads?? I love how you completely ignore everything except vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. Shortage of staff and it's impact on patient care be damned, as long as the needle goes in the arm. You are like some drone that is on a continuous loop. I hope you do not find yourself  in need of any emergent care in the ED in the near future and thus experience these issue first hand as a patient. I'll keep preaching get your shot as loud as I can while I keep supporting individuals who don't and hoping the bean counters don't follow through with their threat and fire staff and exacerbate the existing problem. 

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3 hours ago, RJMDilts said:

Replacing ANY nurses is not going to be quick nor easy.

Yeah. And we wouldn't have to replace any of them if they were willing to get a safe and effective vaccine. 

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Specializes in Nurse-Midwife.

Until yesterday, I hadn't logged on to Allnurses in well over a year. I've missed the critical thinking and intelligent responses and dialogues here. It gives me some hope for nursing. 

For some, the truth hurts. Critical thinking hurts. I just want to express my appreciation to many of you, who can hold a grown-up conversation, and back your assertions with factual information and data. You make me better at what I do. I appreciate having my assumptions challenged by smart colleagues. Even in anonymous forums. 

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22 minutes ago, queenanneslace said:

Yeah. And we wouldn't have to replace any of them if they were willing to get a safe and effective vaccine. 

And since they are not willing to, for what ever their reason is, what do we do? As I have stated over and over, I believe in and support the vaccine, but not forcing folks to take it. That said, the data shows, we were already in a crisis before COVID with regard to replacing the retiring nurses/nursing leaving the field because we were not remotely keeping pace with bringing in new ones. So, firing these RNs will do what exactly?

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