How to best handle this situation with my instructor?

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Hello everyone,

So I have encountered a situation where there was probably a misunderstanding between me and my instructor at the clinical today. Two days into the clinical, my instructor assigned everyone’s duty each day. Some were assigned med pass, some were assigned to look after two patient, I was assigned to one patient today.

One hour drive to the clinical site at 5 a.m gave me a brain fart during the first hour into the clinical.

1) My instructor wanted us to wait outside of an assigned room while waiting for the nurse to arrive. Apparently, I didn’t hear that part so I followed my nurse to each patient’s room instead of waiting outside the room of my patient.

2) After my mind started to clear a little bit, I wanted to assess my patient so I rushed into his room while he was seating on the bedside commode… My instructor did try to stop me but I honestly just focusing on my patient so I didn’t hear her, again.

3) During downtime, I asked my nurse if she needs help with anything. She said she’d love me to help her with medication because she was falling behind. So I asked my instructor if I can pass med so she can supervise me. She said she had many people to look after so she’d be too busy to let me pass meds - since I was not on the schedule for med pass. My understanding of the schedule was - it’s mandatory to pass med if you are on med pass day, if not then it’s optional - so I’d ask for permission first. I didn’t know that means “ absolutely not ”. Anyways, it wasn’t like she was busy - she was chatting with another instructor who’s in charge of another cohort on a different floor for 30 minutes straight. I meant you get paid to teach us, not to chat.

Anyways, at the end of the clinical, we had a conference. She addressed the above issues to everyone and avoid looking at me. I knew she was talking about me. She also said she’d write comments on the clinical feedback and all we need to reply was to admit the mistake we made, nothing else needed. It seems like she is not interested in an explanation. I possibly gave her the impression of being standoffish and not following the instruction. But honestly…I just didn’t know. For my clinical feedback, she wrote, " Did ok communication with staff but need to let the nurse know before giving the med & follow instructions given". Well, my nurse knew I was giving meds and there's no miscommunication between me and the nurse so IDK why you said that.

I felt like I came off a little clumsy and missed the window to explain my brain fart mistakes. But should I explain myself a little on a weekly journal that I am about to turn in? For clinical feedback, I plan on just admit my mistakes as she asked me to. I’d like to know your guys' opinion on how to best handle this situation. Much appreciated.

I for one am shocked but not surprised at the responses you’re getting from other nurses here. But it makes sense. Nurses tend to be less forgiving of students’ mishaps.

The mistakes you made were fairly minor. Yes, you need to knock on patients’ doors before you go in. Yes, you need to concentrate better next time. But you did not endanger anyone here. Saying that you’re irresponsible or judgmental, simply based on this, is a bit unfair.

So you fumbled. And your instructor possibly got annoyed with you. I once had an instructor who got annoyed with me even when I followed her instructions to a T. There was no pleasing her. She would hand me a lunch tray and tell me to take it up to the soiled utility room. Then refused to tell me where it was. All my other instructors liked me, but not her. It happens and it isn’t the end of the world.

You asked permission to do a med pass. You were told “no.” Apparently a lot of other posters here didn’t have the reading comprehension skills to see that. I kept scratching my head, wondering where people got the idea that you were passing meds when it was clearly stated you weren’t.

If you want advice, then the solution is do your best to follow instructions better next time. Teachers like to see when they’ve made an impact on their students. If you come away from this course more focused and attentive, she’ll be proud of you.

In the mean time, figure out what you need to do to be more awake and energetic. If you have trouble remembering spoken directions, jotting down notes could be worth your while.

32 minutes ago, mariahlily said:

You asked permission to do a med pass. You were told “no.” Apparently a lot of other posters here didn’t have the reading comprehension skills to see that. I kept scratching my head, wondering where people got the idea that you were passing meds when it was clearly stated you weren’t.

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On 3/20/2019 at 6:04 PM, snowlion_m said:

Well, my nurse knew I was giving meds and there's no miscommunication between me and the nurse

An OP that was ambiguous at best has since been clarified.

Specializes in Urgent Care, Oncology.
59 minutes ago, mariahlily said:

I for one am shocked but not surprised at the responses you’re getting from other nurses here. But it makes sense. Nurses tend to be less forgiving of students’ mishaps.

Did we read the same post? Per the OP, her instructor literally told her twice NOT to go into the patient's room and what did she do? Went into the patient's room both times.

1 hour ago, mariahlily said:

You asked permission to do a med pass. You were told “no.” Apparently a lot of other posters here didn’t have the reading comprehension skills to see that. I kept scratching my head, wondering where people got the idea that you were passing meds when it was clearly stated you weren’t.

The OP's grammar and structure in the original post was somewhat confusing. Some posters misinterpreted the post and corrected themselves.

The OP stated, "For my clinical feedback, she wrote, " Did ok communication with staff but need to let the nurse know before giving the med & follow instructions given". To me, I interpreted this as the student asked her nurse what she could do to help her, the nurse said to pass meds, the student asked her instructor who said no. To me, it sounds like the instructor is suggesting that the student ask the instructor's permission to pass meds before offering to help pass meds.

2 hours ago, JKL33 said:

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An OP that was ambiguous at best has since been clarified.

I am here to ask for advice for damage control and ever since I’ve received some great advice. I apologize for not being clear on my original post which I had clarified asap later in the comment. You, on the other hand, wouldn’t let go of that and kept commenting on it instead of providing meaningful feedback for my current situation like other posters. You knew I can’t edit my original post after a certain amount of time, right?

The digital world can’t always tell how a person is like in real life. However, based on your passive-aggressive behavior, I have a feeling that you are that type of nurse who is a pain in the butt to work with in real life.

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To the rest of the posters, I really appreciate all the feedbacks. I have used your advice and implemented that in my journal. My instructor had provided positive feedback in response to my journal. I will be more attentive and I am very looking forward to the upcoming clinical. ?

Specializes in PICU.

Good Luck with the remaining clinicals this semester. Best of luck.

4 hours ago, mariahlily said:

The mistakes you made were fairly minor. Yes, you need to knock on patients’ doors before you go in. Yes, you need to concentrate better next time. But you did not endanger anyone here. Saying that you’re irresponsible or judgmental, simply based on this, is a bit unfair.

I don't see breaking the instructor's instruction twice as "minor", especially due to lack of concentration. This likely would have gotten me sent home if I had clinical that day. Nursing students have been dismissed for less.

My best advice is to think every action through before preforming it at clinical. Before opening a door, stop. Knock if your instructor has ok-ed you to enter. When charting, check that it's the right patient. When giving meds, we check the 5 rights.. 3 times. Every action needs to be scrutinized or we could hurt someone. Personally, it sounds like the instructor let you off easy and tried to do so in a way that wasn't embarrassing to you (by addressing her concerns to the entire group, not just you, and not using your name).

4 hours ago, snowlion_m said:

I am here to ask for advice for damage control and ever since I’ve received some great advice. I apologize for not being clear on my original post which I had clarified asap later in the comment. You, on the other hand, wouldn’t let go of that and kept commenting on it instead of providing meaningful feedback for my current situation like other posters. You knew I can’t edit my original post after a certain amount of time, right?

Apology accepted. I understand that you clarified and have not tried to bother you any further about any of this. The only reason I have responded to this thread again is strictly to reply to the ridiculous comments of the poster I was responding to; it was not at all to chastise your original post or manner of writing.

I did take a hard line with my first response based on a reasonable interpretation of what you wrote. I do think this whole interaction has been unfortunate and wish I could have offered a better/different first reply (meaningful feedback) based on an accurate understanding. I didn't feel like doing so after being accused of assuming things that you wrote.

My meaningful feedback would be to let this go, and overall get ready to take responsibility. I do hope things go better for you here on out.

Take care ~

This whole thing confuses me. Why don't you work really hard at listening to every word, asking for clarification if you are unclear and taking your medications. I would not address anything other than you have the desire to improve in following instructions to a "T". Good luck. You can't be unfocused in a nursing job, you could cause real harm if you are, so it is best to start learning to be focused before you start your day. Just a suggestion.

Specializes in Psych, Corrections, Med-Surg, Ambulatory.
On 3/21/2019 at 10:45 AM, snowlion_m said:

I was not standoffish but definitely confused. I asked her if I could pass med because my classmates who had other instructors told me their instructors would let them pass med as much as they can. I possibly gave an unpleasant vibe after she denied my request because I felt like she could have put in more effort into our learning cohort instead of chatting with other people. In my opinion, there was no harm in asking if I wanted to do more within the student nurse protocol, so I don't know why she wrote: " I need to follow instruction." I was told if I have questions, ask. That's what I did -especially I did follow instruction by not giving med.

I just felt like I missed the opportunity to explain myself.

Standoffish is in the eye of the beholder. That means even if you didn't intend to appear standoffish, you still did. There was nothing wrong with asking to pass meds. But no is no. Giving "unpleasant vibes" and opining about the quality of your instructor's work does not present you in a good light. While you're a student, try not to start too many sentences with "...in my opinion...". One of the crappiest things about being a student is that it's a time in your life when the fewest people care about your opinions.

In nursing school, a little humility goes a long way. Do not critique how anyone else does their job. Put your focus on listening, paying attention, following instructions, seeking feedback and being receptive to that feedback, even if it feels unfair. In fact, while you're in school, get used to unfairness.

When asked to respond to a criticism, try to take a completely objective look at what they needed from you that they didn't get. Then provide it. It might suck in the moment, but you are learning important life skills and just might make it through nursing school.

On 3/21/2019 at 10:44 AM, snowlion_m said:

First of all, I need to clarify that I did NOT end up giving med on that day because I didn’t get the permission. So I did not violate anything. Your whole response was based on an assumption of me DID give the med.

The way your wrote about the incident also gave me the impression that you had done the med pass.

You knew I can’t edit my original post after a certain amount of time, right?

JKL33 couldn't edit his original post, either. As said several times by others, your wording made it seem that you had done the med pass anyway because you thought that not being on the med pass schedule didn't prohibit you from doing it (you thought it meant it was "optional"). When you said "my nurse knew I was passing meds" it certainly sounded like, you know, you were passing meds. I get that you have since clarified it, but several of us read it that way and not everyone reads the whole thread before they respond.

The digital world can’t always tell how a person is like in real life. However, based on your passive-aggressive behavior, I have a feeling that you are that type of nurse who is a pain in the butt to work with in real life.

JKL33's posts were quite direct, which is actually the polar opposite of passive aggressive. Making personal attacks because you didn't like the content of a few posts (by a well respected member of AN btw) just makes you look immature, as do your repeated references to "brain farts" - really? "Brain farts"? Do understand that it is CRITICAL that you arrive to clinical (and afterwards, to work) clear headed, focused, attentive, and prepared. If that means always taking your medicine, getting up an hour earlier or perhaps going to bed an hour earlier if this is a sleep deprivation issue, whatever it takes, you do that for the safety of the patients whose lives you will impact.

Also-don't ask a question if you can't handle any possible answer. When you ask for feedback on a widely read internet forum, you are going to get all kinds.

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