House Democrats are planning to impeach President Donald Trump for "incitement of insurrection," according to a draft article of impeachment obtained by CNN on Friday.
The push is being led by the Democratic lawmakers David Cicilline, Jamie Raskin, and Ted Lieu and the articles will reportedly be formally introduced on Monday.
A White House spokesperson decried the "politically motivated" impeachment push, saying that it "will only serve to further divide our great country."
This development follows the president inciting a violent mob of his supporters to storm the US Capitol on Wednesday to stop the peaceful transfer of power. The riots resulted in multiple injuries and five deaths...
Democrats better be careful because there are quite a few of them that this could boomerang right back to. The Democrats and their media have been so hypocritical about this riot/protest compared to things they have said and done it is just ridiculous. Very little said when people were literally burning down cities, burning police stations and the Federal building in Portland, tearing down statues, people were losing businesses, people were being killed and injured etc, people overtook the senate offices and tried to break down the doors during the Cavanaugh hearings etc. But most liberal media and Dems were excusing it because it was justified, civil rights, they were frustrated etc. No difference here! That said, I think all of the violence is wrong and people better wake up and realize that we are all in this together before it is too late and this country implodes. Politicians are working for themselves and using us/dividing us for their gain.
Your false equivalency embellished with half-truths and lies is disturbing.
A sitting President after losing re-election incited insurrection against the US government and attempted to overthrow democracy.
This wasn't just with his speech and tweets on the day of the coup, but he laid the foundation for it with multiple claims that the election was 'stolen' from him and his supporters despite having no evidence to support that claim, and attempted to extort at least one Secretary of State into falsifying election results in his favor.
19 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:
Hmm, I wonder how another impeachment is going to promote unity.
Your argument has officially jumped the shark when you are supporting it with the idea that being critical of inciting insurrection is divisive.
'Unity' refers to remembering the things that unite us more than divide us. There are broad goals and principles that we all agree on, ie they unite us, the specifics on how to achieve those goals are where we have varying views.
Whether or not we are or should be a Democracy is something I would have considered us to have a common view on, and therefore defending the idea of Democracy would be considered by all to be a uniting act.
What so many of us find disturbing is that people like yourself consider our standing as a Democracy to be up for debate. Well, not so much up for debate as subject to change through insurrection fueled by false propaganda.
Hmm, I wonder how another impeachment is going to promote unity.
Depends on with whom we want to unify, doesn’t it? Not so sure I care to “unify” with violent racists.
Letting Trump get away with no consequences for his seditious and criminally negligent behaviors will certainly not promote unity with the minority communities he’s trashed. It would be to live up (or down) to the fairly accurate perception that white folks will always get away with whatever they want, especially if they’re rich.
Personally, I want to see these white supremacists, including Trump, lose their white privilege and actually pay the piper for a change. I say treat them, and Trump, exactly the way we would have treated BLM for the same behavior.
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On 1/8/2021 at 6:55 PM, Daisy4RN said:
Hmm, I wonder how another impeachment is going to promote unity.
It is the consequence of bad actions against our country. Trump is an illiterate idiot. If he is not held to account, another autocrat wannabe will come along who actually can read and write. That autocrat will look back on how we treated Trump (if we do nothing about his attempted coup) and know we will do nothing to him/her who will know how to do worse. So, unity? Not until we deliver consequences for seditious acts!
Besides, there is no way Trumps Traitors to this county will ever think anything well of their black, brown, Jewish, female, libral, gay, non-Christian, immigrants, non-gender conforming, impoverished, etc. fellow country men and women because many are White Supremist. So, we need not coddle traitors to pretend to engage in unity. We can embrace sound minded individuals who followed Trump blindly and learned that he/she made a mistake, but we will not coddle White Supremist by letting them off the hook for helping to organize this riot! We also will not broadcast to the world and future generations that we will not follow our own US Constitution by refusing to lawfully impeach Trump a second time.
I think the fundamentals of society if you choose to be part of it, is the rules(laws). It's the support structure of society without which, there's chaos. One of those rules is that when you decide to break them, there's a process. It doesn't include your political or religious beliefs. You are then judged by your peers!
No one forces you to be part of society but you face the consequences when you choose otherwise. Koresh, Jim Jones etc. DC is the headquarters of those lawmakers and the physical manifestation of all the people who fought and died for the creation of this country!
All the people involved in the insurrection and the people who influenced the insurrection should be banished from society, because they chose to usurp those rules that govern all of us, therefore categorically stating that they reject the country and its rules and laws. They say that they are the party of law and order.
I think that we should respect their wishes and remove them from our society as they have so eloquently and physically spoken!
I don't know that McConnell has ever made a political decision based on what's right or wrong, but even just as a political calculation I've been wondering why Republican leadership hasn't felt their best strategy is to create a clear separation between themselves and Trump. It's not really a new thing, but the events at the Capitol just further clarified that Trumpism is a fervent, yet relatively small and increasingly isolated faction of American Politics. Tying the fate of mainstream Republicanism to Trumpism only fractures it into different factions, none of which will be likely to have any political power in the near future. Clearly stating that Trump doesn't represent their brand anymore would make the most sense.
I don't know that McConnell has ever made a political decision based on what's right or wrong, but even just as a political calculation I've been wondering why Republican leadership hasn't felt their best strategy is to create a clear separation between themselves and Trump. It's not really a new thing, but the events at the Capitol just further clarified that Trumpism is a fervent, yet relatively small and increasingly isolated faction of American Politics. Tying the fate of mainstream Republicanism to Trumpism only fractures it into different factions, none of which will be likely to have any political power in the near future. Clearly stating that Trump doesn't represent their brand anymore would make the most sense.
McConnell is at the top of his game and very clever, and why he was a Trump enabler probably stemmed from the fact that Trump was doing the conservative bidding by getting rid of taxes and regulations, had a good stock market which enriched them and their friends, and kept the workers working, and firing up people against Democrats. That he overlooked the lies, chaos and immaturity of Trump will forever remain a mystery to me. I said many times on other forums that clearly there had to have been other qualified Republicans that could have easily defeated Biden.
Instead they fired up extremists by their enabling and it all blew up in their face.
"McConnell has said that Trump has committed impeachable offenses and is "pleased" and is pleased that Democrats are going forward with his impeachment. Mitch has gotten his tax cuts, rolled back EPA laws, and got his judges in. Crafty Mitch has used The Donald for everything he could and now wants to salvage the Republican Party. "
"McConnell has said that Trump has committed impeachable offenses and is "pleased" and is pleased that Democrats are going forward with his impeachment. Mitch has gotten his tax cuts, rolled back EPA laws, and got his judges in. Crafty Mitch has used The Donald for everything he could and now wants to salvage the Republican Party. "
Like I said above. He's at the top of his game.
McConnell is pissed that Trump cost him the Senate leadership but imo he's worried about Schumer and Schiff looking into his business. McConnell is in up to his neck in shady dealings with Kentucky and his wife's business.
"McConnell has said that Trump has committed impeachable offenses and is "pleased" and is pleased that Democrats are going forward with his impeachment. Mitch has gotten his tax cuts, rolled back EPA laws, and got his judges in. Crafty Mitch has used The Donald for everything he could and now wants to salvage the Republican Party. "
Like I said above. He's at the top of his game.
Something to think about?
If McConnell even quietly supports Trump's impeachment, I think this creates a huge schism for not just the party but for McConnell himself.
Senate votes... if he's not impeached? Which senators voted which way?
The ones that didn't support impeachment, means that they are not behind McConnell. The ones that support impeachment means that a significant number has maybe about 50 million people to contend with.
Impeachment fractures a party that is riddled with vipers. Non impeachment means ignominy in history, possibly losing corporate funding and resentment from an emboldened upper house with the Dems and possible loss of future votes for republicans. They will have to defect, even silently.
Republicans don't hold their tongues well and their only playbook appears to be bullhorns. Hawley and Cruz will turn on each other laying the blame and then point fingers at other Republicans!
But, here's the kicker! Trump is a scheming, conniving little ***. What information does he have on the Republicans? How will he use it? And against whom?
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Your false equivalency embellished with half-truths and lies is disturbing.
A sitting President after losing re-election incited insurrection against the US government and attempted to overthrow democracy.
This wasn't just with his speech and tweets on the day of the coup, but he laid the foundation for it with multiple claims that the election was 'stolen' from him and his supporters despite having no evidence to support that claim, and attempted to extort at least one Secretary of State into falsifying election results in his favor.
Your argument has officially jumped the shark when you are supporting it with the idea that being critical of inciting insurrection is divisive.
'Unity' refers to remembering the things that unite us more than divide us. There are broad goals and principles that we all agree on, ie they unite us, the specifics on how to achieve those goals are where we have varying views.
Whether or not we are or should be a Democracy is something I would have considered us to have a common view on, and therefore defending the idea of Democracy would be considered by all to be a uniting act.
What so many of us find disturbing is that people like yourself consider our standing as a Democracy to be up for debate. Well, not so much up for debate as subject to change through insurrection fueled by false propaganda.