Healthy 44 year old BBC Radio personality dies from Covid vaccine complications

[GordonGekko, MSN]

The question I ask is why would a healthy 44 year old get a newly created vaccine rushed to the market for something that has a 99.997% survival rate in her age group.  She isn't high risk and does not work in healthcare so why would she do this?

Lisa Shaw: Presenter's death due to complications of Covid vaccine

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A radio presenter died due to complications from the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, a coroner has found.

Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.

Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.

The inquest heard the condition linked to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was very rare.

The coroner said: "Lisa died due to complications of an AstraZeneca Covid vaccination."

Ms Dilks said Ms Shaw was previously fit and well but concluded that it was "clearly established" that her death was due to a very rare "vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia", a condition which leads to swelling and bleeding of the brain.

 

 

[Rose_Queen, BSN, MSN, RN]

And the AstraZeneca vaccine was suspended in March in many European countries. It was not approved for emergency use in the US.

https://time.com/5947134/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-stopped/

No one has said the vaccines are 100% free. There must be a risk vs benefits weighing. While COVID may have a "high" survival rate, the after effects can be horrendous.

Those who are advised by their healthcare team to get the vaccine should get the vaccine. Those who are advised not to should not.

[GordonGekko, MSN]

1 hour ago, Rose_Queen said:

No one has said the vaccines are 100% free. There must be a risk vs benefits weighing. While COVID may have a "high" survival rate, the after effects can be horrendous.

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210820/no-lasting-lung-damage-after-full-recovery-from-covid-19

The after effects are mild for most people.  Its still a mild cold the vast majority of the time

[toomuchbaloney]

22 minutes ago, GordonGekko said:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210820/no-lasting-lung-damage-after-full-recovery-from-covid-19

The after effects are mild for most people.  Its still a mild cold the vast majority of the time

That's why hospitals are at full capacity across the south and another 100k Americans will likely die before the end of the year if we continue on this trajectory...because covid is just a mild cold for most people...right? It sounds like you think that the suffering, death and economic trauma of an out of control pandemic caused by a VPD is acceptable.  

 

[macawake, MSN]

I’m mid-forties and healthy. I got vaccinated against Covid because the risks of an infection are higher than the risks from a vaccine. I also got vaccinated because I’m not an egotistical ****. I would think that’s why most of us get vaccinated. To protect ourselves and to protect the herd.

I have posted the following links several times in other threads. 
 

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https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood

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https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/vaxzevria-further-advice-blood-clots-low-blood-platelets
 

I’ve never tried to hide that the vaccines have side effects. The side effect we are discussing here is very rare. Because I understand that the risks of an infection is much higher the risk of getting vaccinated, I’ve never felt the need to create a thread with a title designed to scare people off vaccines. The question is, why did you choose the title you did OP? I actually think it’s in rather poor taste to exploit a person’s death to try to further your agenda. But the real statistics would not have conveyed the message that I suspect you want to. 

You mentioned a ”survival rate” for people in their forties but didn’t provide a source to support it. Your sensationalist approach feels more like a discussion suited for the tabloids or the type for social media where facts aren’t that important, than a nursing forum. Anyway, here are the actual numbers. 
 

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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-reported-sars-cov-2-deaths-in-england/covid-19-confirmed-deaths-in-england-report

 

Mortality rate for people aged 40-49 during the period 29 June 2020 to 31 January 2021 in the UK was 22.8/100,000.

Per your BBC link there have been 72 clot/coagulation deaths attributed to vaccines in 48.700.000 administered doses. That is 0.148/100,000 doses. 
 

22.8/100,000  compared to ~0.15/100,000. The math is pretty compelling. Even if you take into account that this is a two-dose vaccine (~0.30/100,000) it remains clear that an infection poses the bigger threat. In my country this particular vaccine is recommended for persons over 65 years. Different countries have looked at the data and made slightly different risk-benefit calculations. Still, according to the data we have available the disease is the larger threat for adults.

And you are vastly downplaying the risk of long-term sequelae after a Covid infection. Yes, it’s often a ”mild cold” for many younger people. But a significant number require hospitalization and deal with the after-effects for quite some time. 

 

[JKL33]

My heart goes out to this woman's family.

I do hope that their heartbreak and grief is not complicated by people suggesting that taking the vaccine was not a reasonable thing for her to do. It seems like a very cruel way to argue one's perspective.

She made a reasonable choice.

RIP Lisa Shaw. ?

[guest1163268]

Personally, I still that there are too many variables to categorically say that it is entirely the vaccine. It may have been the catalyst, but I would imagine that many incidents in life would have been instigated by an action or a non action. 

Based on the miniscule likelihood of an incident occurring re the vaccine compared to others, it is apparent just how safe they are. 

I'm 29 and fit as a race horse and could probably lift a race horse and when I saw what the potential of this infection was, I did everything within my power to get a vaccine. If it's one thing I've learned so far, is, don't take risks with your health! 

I think more than anything, the OP and others like themselves, are projecting their own insecurities and looking for validation to support their irrational beliefs, which I am absolutely sure runs the gamut of their lives. Conspiracy and treachery everywhere!

Living in a closed bubble and always looking for someone or something to blame for their misery, but never looking at themselves as the cause. They find their own kind, because misery loves company! 

Like Incels! 

[MunoRN, RN]

2 hours ago, GordonGekko said:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210820/no-lasting-lung-damage-after-full-recovery-from-covid-19

The after effects are mild for most people.  Its still a mild cold the vast majority of the time

I'll point this out to my ICU full of patients in their 40's (and a couple of kids) who will either die or probably wish they had, they will be very relieved.

[macawake, MSN]

2 hours ago, GordonGekko said:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210820/no-lasting-lung-damage-after-full-recovery-from-covid-19

The after effects are mild for most people.  Its still a mild cold the vast majority of the time

 

33 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

I'll point this out to my ICU full of patients in their 40's (and a couple of kids) who will either die or probably wish they had, they will be very relieved.

I’m not even sure why Gekko even linked to that source. Was it supposed to be in support of his statement that ”the after effects are mild for most people”? 
 

It said ”Our study shows that if you contract COVID-19 and then completely recover clinically and on imaging, your lung tissues are also likely to have completely healed as well, without permanent damage.” 

(my bold)
 

A bit of a duh moment.. I would have thought that the problem would be the unfortunate individuals who do not completely recover. 

[2BS Nurse, BSN]

Years before Covid, I worked with a young nurse (early 20s) who developed ITP. Out of the blue, she experienced spontaneous bruising on her calves. I also knew someone who had Guillain-Barre Syndrome following a warehouse accident (bacterial cause). In Urgent Care, we diagnosed multiple cases of blood clots/week and started patients on Lovenox. I will take my odds with vaccination and I will still continue to administer vaccines to my patients.

[HarleyvQuinn, MSN, RN, NP]

On 8/29/2021 at 2:36 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

That's why hospitals are at full capacity across the south and another 100k Americans will likely die before the end of the year if we continue on this trajectory...because covid is just a mild cold for most people...right? It sounds like you think that the suffering, death and economic trauma of an out of control pandemic caused by a VPD is acceptable.  

 

 It should also be noted that blood clots are associated with COVID infection, as well as the multitude of other sequelae that those who survive the initial disease have suffered. Which, just to note, includes renal failure, heart failure, stroke, pulmonary fibrosis, or the need for lung transplantation. Even those who have mild cases are at risk for the "long-haul" symptoms that can be debilitating and keep them out of the workplace longer. 

With regard to increased risk for blood clots, you shouldn't forget that oral contraceptives, smoking, pregnancy, hormone therapy, obesity, surgery, prolonged sitting or immobilization (including prolonged air/car travel), and atherosclerotic blood vessels also increase this risk. For those with higher risks of blood clots, I imagine that the AstraZeneca vaccine would not be an optimal choice. Neither is a potential COVID infection, unfortunately. 

[Glycerine82, LPN]

What an ignorant statement/question.   How do you not know the answer to this, or at least where to get it - if you have a masters in nursing?