Hardship: none of my business or a problem?

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So, it’s been awhile since I’ve ever posted. I finished Pathophysiology with a B. Very hard class, but it was interesting.

In previous posts I might have mentioned I was on section 8 while doing pre-reqs. Just recently, I lost my section 8 support because I was considered making too much money as a CNA. Yes, I bought a white cargo van because if I got a room for rent, that would only inflate my responsibilities from nursing school and I have financial problems I’m trying to responsibly take care of. I’ve got no kids and no spouse responsibility, so I am, as Filipino nurses call me, a cowboy. I can pull it off.

Well, today I was told by maintenance at my facility that I have to move my vehicles out of the parking lot within 24 hours because of the owner of the facility. She’s Korean and stupid wealthy. She has a 10 bed mansion that she never stays at that she would never know you were there if you stayed according to an RN. The DON who has poor English speaking skills says I cannot be there when I’m not scheduled. Say something about it being against the law or something. It’s not against company policy because no one ever mentioned it during orientation. I respect the property, but apparently that isn’t enough. I went to my HR and she said, “I can ask the owner to see if you can pay her $100 a month in rent to park both vehicles here at the facility like she pays the church down the road for extra parking since she only listens to the sound of money”. I said ok. HR called me and said the owner said no.

Is it petty the owner doesn’t want me taking up two spots in the very back of a facility where I’m not parked at a red curb and I’m not parked in a handicapped spot and I’m not bothering or hurting anybody? The facility pays the church down the road $100 a month I guess for employees to park that I towed my daily driver car and cargo van to and Thursday I speak with a pastor about parking there and see what he says.

Im sure most responses on here will be very unsympathetic so I hope some will understand what I’m trying to do. I take the nursing entrance exam May 6th. I passed the HESI for UNLV last year but didn’t make the cutoff. So I changed schools and had to take Patho as a pre-req requirement.

Just to get an idea of what it’s like living in a van: I don’t make a mess living in a van, I shower at a gym down the road, I keep myself clean and presentable. People have told me the way I pull it off, I don’t even look like a van dweller. We have a locker room in a bathroom for employees in the back away from the nurses station where I keep dental hygiene stuff to brush my teeth and use the restroom if I need to. I keep all my waste contained in clean trash bags. Always. I never leave trash on the ground and I never dump liquids. I always use receptacles.

I’m trying to handle my problems like a responsible adult, yet I can’t. I thought buying a van would help me tackle my problems. Of any kind. Also, my van I recently bought has a temporary moving permit that expired because I had a check engine light come on. My other car, my daily driver, had a check engine light since last October but I never got around to diagnosing it because I didn’t know about financing for tows and engine diagnosis fees. Both vehicles have expired registration and automatically fail smog because of check engine light. I can’t move them very far or risk $1,000 fine by metro police.

My facility implies my car can be towed out of their hands by another tow company without saying the tow would give me a warning first. Isn’t that considered grand theft auto? What’s funny is they can see the temporary moving permit on the van windshield has an expiration date and they use that as an example against me, but the other car that has expired tags, they can’t tell.

If if you were high up in the food chain, would you have a problem with an employee who comes to work clean and decent, but lives in a vehicle due to financial problems? Showing up to work on time and clean?

My DON currently does not help nurses or anybody for that matter. The only thing she looks at is call lights when she slowly walks down the hall with her cankles and her iPhone in her hand with her hand leaned back as if she were lazily strolling through the park and doesn’t even answer the call lights. Just says in her thick Filipino voice while pointing at them, “answer the call lights”. The DON before her kept nurses and CNAs in line and even helped CNAs with their runs as if she were a CNA. I never got to work with her, but I’d love to be a fly on the wall to see what she was like.

Specializes in LTC, assisted living, med-surg, psych.

Feel better now?

I don't understand why the nationalities of the facility owner and some of the nurses matter. This isn't the first time you've posted about them and I wonder if there is some profiling going on. Just throwing that out there.

I'm not sure what you're looking for here---approval of your lifestyle? A sympathetic "ear" when you're frustrated with your co-workers? Or just to complain? I'm sure it's difficult living in a van, but this is not other people's problem, it's a life YOU entered into willingly. You are either going to have to find a permanent parking arrangement (and not at your workplace), get used to moving around every night, or rent a room someplace where you can take a shower when you need one and get your mail delivered on a regular basis.

Good luck. You are going to need it.

Specializes in Critical Care; Cardiac; Professional Development.

Viciousness? I have not seen that. I am definitely not jealous and have, in fact, given you a great deal of credit in my personal responses. I have been bankrupt and had to foreclose on a house when going through my divorce some 20 years ago now. Getting out of the hole is hard. I did it and feel pretty strongly I have given you credit for doing whatever you have to do. I have not said a word about living in a van as a personal choice, only the idea that someone owes you a free space to park it is seriously erroneous thinking.

I am sorry for your troubled mind. I hope you find peace somehow, both with your situation and your decisions and the world in general. You are obviously not in a good place in any sense of the word.

Specializes in Critical Care; Cardiac; Professional Development.

You need help beyond what this board can offer you. You have made bad decisions in the past and are unbelievably bitter about having to right them. Your problem isn't the rest of the world at this point. You need help.

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HR says there's no company policy that says you can't stay after night in a room no one goes into to study for nursing entrance exam.

There is probably no written policy saying you cannot bring your pet boa constrictor or taratula into the building after your shift either.

It sounds like you have confused the terms "right to work" state with "at will employment".

There is a thread about the difference between the two on AN:

https://allnurses.com/whats-difference-between-right-to-work-at-will-t697916/?tab=comments#comment-7344053

For someone asking about "discrimination," you sure seem to hold a rather hypocritical bias against the DON for her ethnicity. What protected class do you belong in that would make it illegal to fire you?

Specializes in EMS, ED, Trauma, CEN, CPEN, TCRN.

My opinion: being "responsible" about your debt is making you irresponsible with your life. Living in a van and half-living at work is not normal behavior. I fail to see how firing you would be considered discrimination.

As a veteran, have you reached out the VA for additional assistance or resources? If you are using the Post-911 GI Bill, you are being paid monthly for housing. If you are using Montgomery, there is likely excess above your tuition that might be better spent on housing.

5 hours ago, Beldar_the_Cenobite said:

CNA school didn't tell me "It's the law to have your own place and it's against the BON to live in a vehicle even though it doesn't violate HIPPA".

It's not against the law to live in a vehicle. That doesn't mean you have the right to park that vehicle anywhere you want.

I don't know what relevance HIPAA (not HIPPA) has in this conversation. Lots of things don't violate HIPAA. That doesn't mean that they are allowed.

16 minutes ago, Horseshoe said:

There is probably no written policy saying you cannot bring your pet boa constrictor or taratula into the building after your shift either.

Missed the window to edit. Should say "tarantula."

Specializes in ER.

Speaking of the Philippines, since you mention Philippino nurses... My son, who lived there for awhile, and married a gal from there, says many people live like you are. They are the working homeless.

In the US, because of our wealth and social welfare safety net, homelessness is mainly limited to the mentally ill, and addicts. Therefore, if someone is living in a van, they are really looked down on. In the Philippines, you would be higher status than many because you have a van!

6 hours ago, Beldar_the_Cenobite said:

I've got a question. Hopefully, people are online. So, I'm a veteran, young, no kids, no wife, no marital obligations of any kind or child support. Nothing. I'm a CNA at a nursing rehab here in Las Vegas which is a right to work state. I live in a van. Yes. You read that correctly. I live in a damn van. It's really not bad folks, then again I haven't experienced the summer yet in it since I'm so new, but the filipino nurses here call me a cowboy.

I kind of got in trouble/kind of didn't for having two vehicles on property by the DON and the owner, both with expired registration after I moved out of my section 8 apartment. The van I recently bought had an expired temporary moving permit. The car, which was non-operational, had expired tags on the license plate. Company policy is an employee may only park one vehicle. Okay. Eventually, I broke down and sold the car because the van is technically considered a home. Cargo van that is. I do it because I have a lot of debt and I want to handle my debt like a responsible adult and not put it on the back burner for any reason. It's kind of like burning bridges or never paying a friend of yours back and you go back and you try and do the right thing. My financial freedom doing this allows me to be able to work and have surplus income at the end of the month due to lack of rental obligations. Hygiene, I don't want to get into that. That's another conversation and yes I maintain a very good amount of it myself.

When I got in trouble, I was told by maintenance that the DON and the owner (short, old, ***y, and stupidly wealthy Korean lady) found out I was living out of my vehicle and that I was staying over at night up stairs in a room no one goes into where the wifi signal reaches and the temperature is a constant norm. The owner said to one of the maintenance guys "He needs to have both vehicles moved. I need these two spots for family members parking". The parking spots were both all the way in the back behind the facility. What family member would want to have to walk all the way to the front of the building? It's inconvenient and no businessman/woman would contently conceive that idea for their customers. I wouldn't. There's no company policy or legal law that states I have to have a place of my own by obligation. The county where the facility is located legally does not allow vehicle living when it's considered long term or dwelling in the same spot according to a church pastor who helped me fix the van. He spoke to insurance agents of his church and attorneys for liability reasons. The border of the county line is where the rehab sits at. Past that border, the county can't say ***. To ensure people don't remember my parking, I park in spots that aren't illegal to park at randomly everyday. I'm not disabled and I don't park on a red curb. I park in a regular parking spot. My van is legally registered now in the state of Nevada with insurance and I can move it around freely. My lead CNA says, "People have been talking about you staying over here late at night off the clock to study for nursing school". The way she said it made me feel like I'm going to get in big trouble.

My question is:**The first time the DON found out about me living in my vehicle and staying over at night, she said it's not allowed to stay off the clock. I asked HR about it. HR says there's no company policy that says you can't stay after night in a room no one goes into to study for nursing entrance exam. If I get fired for not listening to the DON, would it be considered discrimination or wrongful termination?**

I only stay up at night in an empty room to study for a nursing entrance exam and I told the DON that and she said, "I don't care". She's a *** who barely speaks a lick of english and has no compassion for those trying to improve their lives. I'll lose my GI bill for nursing school if I don't get nursing school over with. I take my test next Monday. I thought about talking to an attorney, but I'm not sure how well protected businesses are in states that are a right to work state. I don't even know why it's called "right to work" state. If you can be fired for any reason, it sounds like a "right to fire" state.

Anybody who judges you for living in a van is a moron and should be ignored. But, this is your choice, and you need to sort out a better plan. Yup, it sure would be nice if your boss wanted to help you with this. Since she doesn't work something else out.

I have lived out of a Mazda truck with a cap. I would have killed for the luxury of a van.

Regarding the legalities of right to work. I don't know much about it, but I could probably think of about 1000 fire able offenses not explicitly covered by policies regardless of state laws. Now if you lived in a "Right to use company facilities to enable one to live in a van and graduate school" state, you would be golden. You don't.

By the way- if you are too broke to live inside, you can't afford an attorney.

Last, but really not least:

In your last post you mentioned the ethnicity of your boss. You got a pretty easy pass on that, with some folks pointing it out. Here it is again, along with her lack of English proficiency.

Please explain to me how this is different than if you wrote that you were being underpaid by your stingy Jewish boss, or any of a number of other hateful stereotypes.

I don't know you or what's in your heart. Just know that the language you use is the language of bigots. And all anybody here knows about you is what you have written.

Specializes in School Nurse, past Med Surge.

That's great that you put so much effort & care into your work, and that your patients seem to love you. But...your employer doesn't owe you ANYTHING because of that.

And you're sounding a bit hypocritical asking about being discriminated against while you so blatantly condemn your DON for her ethnicity.

There's got to be some 24-hour diner or something where you can park your butt, order some coffee, and study for the night.

I am sorry that you are going through hardship, and words I know, do not help your situation at all. Only action does.

Having said that.

This is the bottom line that I see.

You are trying to achieve something (parking overnight), that the private company (your place of work) does not allow.

That's the whole story. Yes. People "should" be more charitable. Hell, people "should" allow you to even set residence in their garage that they don't use. It'd make much more sense than pouring money into "Homeless programs" that I see only help those in that job-sector (don't get me started. Let's just say, I have first hand experience).

But nobody can force charity.

Wait, wasn’t there a post about this last week?

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