Getting Our Egos Out of the Hierarchy!

Discusses how inferiority and superiority ego complexes make the hierarchy unsafe and challenges both nurses and doctors to reflect. Nurses General Nursing Article

Recently on FB there was a lively discussion about this sign that was posted in a waiting room somewhere, it read, "Don't confuse your google search with my medical degree". Some found it funny, some thought it was informational, and I thought it had an obnoxious tone! I googled the message and found all sorts of shirts and coffee mugs proclaiming the same message.

There seems to be something more going on in this proclamation than simply a statement intended to inform or honor one's education. There's an underlying theme of superiority and inferiority going on here and I don't think it has anything to do with education at all! The language is polarizing and flies in the face of respectful communication and collaboration that are so necessary for safe, compassionate care and patient empowerment. I'm not against the hierarchy, but I am against power dynamics that feed our egos.

Discussions about the hierarchy in healthcare can quickly turn into a power struggle. Physicians who have long been at the top of all decision-making are reluctant to share power, nurses face increased accountability in taking more power on, and patients present along the entire spectrum from wanting to be in charge to totally dependent.

Although the old hierarchy makes sense sometimes, (such as during a cardiac arrest with the physician yelling out orders to the team) it has also contributed to ineffective communication and teamwork, poor conduct, and unsafe care. When the hierarchy is toxic these dangerous behaviors are all too common:

Nurses who are afraid to speak up or challenge authority

Physician's who don't know how or when to listen to others' expertise

Patients who withhold information or concerns because they are totally dependent on medical providers.

If we are going to have safe care, healthy workplaces and rewarding careers we need to ask ourselves and each other; What makes the hierarchy healthy? In my opinion we need the hierarchy for clinical decision-making and related use of expertise, but not for egos-driven goals involving power and status.

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I'm referring to superiority and inferiority complexes that plague doctors and nurses respectively. Those with more power in the hierarchy falsely believe that they know more about what others need and want and listening is therefore unnecessary. Those on the other end have little faith in the value of their own ideas or observations and hesitate or worse don't speak up.

For the hierarchy to be healthy we need to balance it with collaborative leadership and followership. In such a system, the hierarchy is the structure and the collaboration is the process. The former requires knowledge and skills where the latter requires respectful communication and emotional intelligence. Healthcare professionals must be adept at both. Yes, physicians may lead more often than not and yes the nurses's assistant will follow more often than not, and nurses will be leading and following almost all the time, but we must all be able to do both! And with respect and grace.

Collaborative leaders at all levels are confident and emotionally mature. They use their expertise and authority for optimal clinical outcomes. They are not rattled when challenged by team members and are able to consider new input. If they input shifts care decisions they are grateful and if not they explain their reasoning, making it a teachable moment.

Collaborative leaders understand this dance of being in charge while listening and following as necessary and supporting others so they are able to bring their best to the table. Their egos are in tact and they are using the hierarchy with great wisdom. All the while making healthcare safer.

Specializes in Communication, Medical Improv.
I believe that you're reading waaaay too much into the purpose of this sign. You likely do this with everything in every area of your life, creating unnecessary stress and conflict. I agree that the sign shouldn't be in a doctor's office, but I don't believe that it's located in a doctor's office. It was made and posted on social media to be taken in a tongue in cheek manner.

Seriously? Everything in every way in my life? That's quite an assessment!

I think there is no need to get defensive with the message on the mug. It is not about pride or entitlement. What it simply means that google is unable to make a physical assessment or take a history before it prescribes for you. Don't confuse the canned stuff with the healing touch of a human trained to do that.

And as a nurse I agree with every word.

Specializes in Pediatric Hematology/Oncology.

I don't think there's anything wrong with a lively discourse between clinician and patient regarding information about a condition or certain clinical findings. I do think there is a problem with people getting all worked up and pissed off about something they have a very rudimentary understanding of, however. That completely derails the discussion. It was somewhat antagonistic to put something like that in a waiting room, though. Someone was in a mood.........:rolleyes:

Specializes in TELE, CVU, ICU.

I am a nurse, I have a medical education, and it is far superior to a Google search. The writer is so keen to get bent out of shape and offended the didn't even stop to think who the statement is aimed at -namely vapid internet celebrities and former nude models who spread misinformation and pseudoscience that is killing our patients.

It's not about egos, it's about people who are dying because of charlatans and snake oil. It's about kids with autism being horrifically abused to "cure" their "parasites." I think the writer is suffering from a form of confirmation bias- they only see what what want to see. This as just as dangerous for the professional as it is for the layperson.

Curious when the writer last took care of patients. I have had CHF patients in the ICU who do not take their medication, instead using essential oil. i have had family of patients in the ICU want to use homeopathy instead of medication. I have seen people who refused their vaccines die. I have seen tetorifice.

Get back to the bedside and tell me that a Google search is worth my masters degree.

Specializes in Geriatrics, Dialysis.

I do think this sign is directed more towards patients that self diagnose thanks to Google than to co-workers. That being said, I'm not sure which is worse; the desperate patient that thinks an off the wall cure for cancer found on Google will actually work or the TV personality MD that promotes off the wall "cures" for everything from cancer to weight loss that the audience takes as the gospel truth because "the doctor said it works."

I think this is very rude and disrespectful to the patient and families. What does this do to the situation? Does it resolve anything? I don't think so. I think it just feeds our egos more than they already are and keeps patients from opening up and makes them less likely to give us the big picture. I get it, Ive worked big ED's. I know that people come with request, but do we give them what they want? No. I think we need to check our egos at the door and get over it. Patients and families are consumers now, no matter how crazy the remedy is. if you want to change it than lobby against the Pharmaceutical Companies and get involved in politics. Do mass education of the community. Educate them on evidence based practice. Don't put a nasty weird sign at the door.

Specializes in Psych, Corrections, Med-Surg, Ambulatory.
I am a nurse, I have a medical education, and it is far superior to a Google search. The writer is so keen to get bent out of shape and offended the didn't even stop to think who the statement is aimed at -namely vapid internet celebrities and former nude models who spread misinformation and pseudoscience that is killing our patients.

It's not about egos, it's about people who are dying because of charlatans and snake oil. It's about kids with autism being horrifically abused to "cure" their "parasites." I think the writer is suffering from a form of confirmation bias- they only see what what want to see. This as just as dangerous for the professional as it is for the layperson.

Curious when the writer last took care of patients. I have had CHF patients in the ICU who do not take their medication, instead using essential oil. i have had family of patients in the ICU want to use homeopathy instead of medication. I have seen people who refused their vaccines die. I have seen tetorifice.

Get back to the bedside and tell me that a Google search is worth my masters degree.

Can't "like" this one enough.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
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Me too! :D

As a nurse and teacher, I encourage my patients to use the internet to find out more about their condition. I also encourage them to bring their questions to the physician/nurse, and let us answer your questions. I believe that I am encouraging and honoring my patients as adults, and as adult-learners, capable of learning how to navigate the internet for credible sources, just as I and many others, whether we are nurses or not, have learned to do.

I agree with this part. I too encourage patients to take an active role in improving their health and managing their medical conditions. After all it's their body and their life. I appreciate people who are interested in learning more.

Just as physicians, lawyers, and other professionals, need to be reminded, so to do nurses: We do NOT have the upper hand on knowledge, information, education, and the ability to learn.

The way I see it I actually have more knowledge in some specific areas than the vast majority of my patients. If I didn't, the six years I've spent studying for my nursing degrees would have been a waste of time if indeed the knowledge I gained could be easily substituted by a couple of hours browsing the internet.

So yes, I do know more about some things than my patients do. The patient however is the expert on how it feels to them to live with or manage their disease/condition.

The internet gives all of access to a vast amount of information. I think it's great. The "problem" I encounter with many patients is that they lack the foundation I (and other healthcare professionals) have. What I have is an understanding of physiology, pathophysiology and pharmacology (among other things) and the new information I learn along the way is built on that base. The patient on the other hand will often read up on a subject with a very narrow focus (often a specific disease, procedure or treatment) without having "the background knowledge". Also, despite our best efforts they don't always get their information from medically credible sources either.

I've met many patients who've managed to scare themselves silly after researching various medical topics on the internet. I'll give you an example that I encounter almost weekly (sometimes more often). I work in anesthesia and I'll meet patients prior to elective surgeries for a brief physical, history-taking and information about the upcoming anesthesia. The first thing coming out of the patients mouth is often, I want TIVA. I demand TIVA. (Total intravenous anesthesia). Why? They've googled something along the lines: anesthesia + risks and come up with malignant hyperthermia (MH).

So I ask them if they or a family member has a history of MH (which I was going to ask anyway as a part of Hx). They answer no. I try to explain to them that MH is quite rare and that we do have Dantrolene at hand. I explain the reasons why I'd planned on including Sevoflurane or Desflurane. Once we've reached a point where the patient feels safe that they likely aren't going to die in the operating room from something anesthesia-related they usually add: And I don't want that muscle-relaxing thing. Sigh. So I explain that non-depolarizing muscle relaxants like Mivacurium or Rocuronium that we'll likely use for their surgery aren't MH triggers (succinylcholine/suxamethonium chloride however is as many of you no doubt know, a known trigger).

Sorry about the mini-rant :sour: but this is one of the things I wish that patients would read a bit less about. It just seems that they arrive to the hospital much more apprehensive than they would have been (and need to be) if they'd given Google a miss ;)

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
I agree with this part. I too encourage patients to take an active role in the improving their health and managing their medical conditions. After all it's their body and their life. I appreciate people who are interested in learning more.

The way I see it I actually have more knowledge in some specific areas than the vast majority of my patients. If I didn't, the six years I've spent studying for my nursing degrees would have been a waste of time if indeed the knowledge I gained could be easily substituted by a couple of hours browsing the internet.

So yes, I do know more about some things than my patients do. The patient however is the expert on how it feels to them to live with or manage their disease/condition.

The internet gives all of access to a vast amount of information. I think it's great. The "problem" I encounter with many patients is that they lack the foundation I (and other healthcare professionals) have. What I have is an understanding of physiology, pathophysiology and pharmacology (among other things) and the new information I learn along the way is built on that base. The patient on the other hand will often read up on a subject with a very narrow focus (often a specific disease, procedure or treatment) without having "the background knowledge". Also, despite our best efforts they don't always get their information from medically credible sources either.

I've met many patients who've managed to scare themselves silly after researching various medical topics on the internet. I'll give you en example that I encounter almost weekly (sometimes more often). I work in anesthesia and I'll meet patients prior to elective surgeries for a brief physical, history-taking and information about the upcoming anesthesia. The first thing coming out of the patients mouth is often, I want TIVA. I demand TIVA. (Total intravenous anesthesia). Why? They've googled something along the lines: anesthesia + risks and come up with malignant hyperthermia (MH).

So I ask them if they or a family member has a history of MH (which I was going to ask anyway as a part of hx). They answer no. I try to explain to them that MH is quite rare and that we do have Dantrolene at hand. I explain the reasons why I'd planned on including Sevoflurane or Desflurane. Once we've reached a point where the patient feels safe that they likely aren't going to die in the operating room from something anesthesia-related they usually add: And I don't want that muscle-relaxing thing. Sigh. So I explain that non-depolarizing muscle relaxants like Mivacurium or Rocuronium that we'll likely use for their surgery aren't MH triggers (succinylcholine/suxamethonium chloride however is as many of you no doubt know, a known trigger).

Sorry about the mini-rant :sour: but this is one of the things I wish that patients would read a bit less about. It just seems that arrive to the hospital much more apprehensive than they would have been (and need to be) if they'd given Google a miss ;)

LOL.

These are the same people who will argue with the nurse giving the pre-op instructions, "I can't have anything to eat after midnight? That's ridiculous! Don't you have medication for nausea so I can eat something before I come to the hospital?"

I used to work Day Surgery, and this was a daily battle. No, you won't die from dehydration or hypoglycemia if you're NPO for a few hours. Yes, we will give you something to drink and then eat as tolerated. Yes, it is a very big deal if you decide to eat/drink and not tell anesthesia/surgeon...le sigh.

Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

I read the sign as a humorous attempt at a serious situation. As a provider, I'm certainly not offended. However, I would not have such a sign in my office either as I do think it sends the wrong message to my patients. I want to be seen as compassionate and caring, not as sarcastic and uncaring which is what I feel would be portrayed if I had this hanging in my office.

That said, I don't mind patients coming in with info they have gotten off the internet. Then we talk about it and go from there.

Good article Beth - thanks for sharing