QuoteGeorgia Gov. Brian Kemp signed a bill into law May 2 preventing nonphysicians from using specialty titles such as "doctor," in an effort to promote transparency for patients.
Senate Bill 197 was written by state Sen. Chuck Hufstetler, a certified anesthesiologist assistant. It's summary outlines an aim "to prohibit deceptive or misleading terms or false representations by healthcare practitioners in advertisements and representations" and to do the same regarding the "misappropriation of medical or medical specialty titles."
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toomuchbaloney said:You don't value the degrees, OK.
You haven't actually made a case that a doctorate in nursing or PT or some other discipline is just fluff. It's OK for you to feel confused, have you tried to correct that confusion? Why did you put "thesis" in quotes? On what topic did you write your thesis?
You read a lot into be that post.
There is an NP in CA challenging this same law by suing her state medical board and a bunch of others. The law is super stupid and ridiculous! An NP in CA was actually fined for having a DNP and referring to herself as "Doctor" even while making it clear to everyone she is a "Nurse". This type of BS only happens because Nursing is a female-dominated profession. These so-called "laws" are gender-biased and discriminatory!! Physicians don't own the term "Doctor"! If I went to college and spent my time, money, and energy to obtain a Doctoral-level degree, then I should be able to call myself "Doctor" the same as anyone else who does the same. Physicians need to stop whining about who is being called "Doctor" and focus on caring for their patients.
toomuchbaloney said:It's entirely possible that this is triggered by misogyny and power struggles. Diminishing the achievements of others in this way is a hint to the basis for the movement.
This is definitely gender-based discrimination because Nursing is predominately female. What other professions are physicians going after for using the term "Dr."? None. This is because other professions who use "Dr." are not predominately female.
DrNurseEd said:This is definitely gender-based discrimination because Nursing is predominately female. What other professions are physicians going after for using the term "Dr."? None. This is because other professions who use "Dr." are not predominately female.
No one is "going" after nurses with this bill; rather, it reads that if you identify yourself using the as Dr. X, you have to clarify that you are an advance practice nurse and not a physician.
A link to the bill can be found here.
Whatever the source, they have no problem with Podiatrists, Chiropractors, and a slew of therapists from calling themselves Doctor in any state. There is no ban on doctoral nurses being called doctors in my state, but hospitals require any nurse with a non-bedside role or wearing a white coat to have RN emblazoned on their badge.
This is mainly due to a very strong advocacy effort by physicians to keep nurses in their place. It also highlights the fact that advocate organizations for nurses are not doing a good enough job and need to be replaced by unions.
mmc51264 said:I have a little bit different take. I looked into a DNP program. It is fluff to me. Comparing a DNP, with an extra 3-4 semesters and a mini thesis is no where the same as a Ph.D. I am bothered by the doctorates for PT/OT as well. I am not sure what the impetus was for creating all these "doctors" and it is confusing to people outside the fields. To me, its a marketing play to get people to go further into student loan debt. Doesn't get you any more money.
Have a friend that completed her MSN in Leadership and Finance. Then did a DNP program where she did her "thesis" on off-label uses for statins. Very confused by this.
Please no flaming.
Bingo. All of the other doctorate professions actually had to go go a real college, show up in person for classes, attend clinicals supervised by their university. We, on the other hand, can go to Walden, Chamberlain, etc, schools that admit 100% of applications and think this is comprable in quality to a doctorate in psychology or physical therapy? The nurses who really "earned" a doctorate when to a real university where other doctorate professions are educated. Their ego's are abused when they can't be called Doctor. Aren't the patients confused enough by who's seeing them? Can we come up with a new title like Nurse-Doctor? We need to place the first emphasis on nursing and secondly on the doctorate earned (while never showing up on a campus).
subee said:Bingo. All of the other doctorate professions actually had to go go a real college, show up in person for classes, attend clinicals supervised by their university. We, on the other hand, can go to Walden, Chamberlain, etc, schools that admit 100% of applications and think this is comprable in quality to a doctorate in psychology or physical therapy? The nurses who really "earned" a doctorate when to a real university where other doctorate professions are educated. '
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FYI,
1. It is not you but accreditation organizations that determine whether a school is fake or not.
2. All the schools you have named also have labs and supervised clinicals, or state boards would not allow them to operate.
3. Brick and mortar schools also have dnp programs.
4. It is PhD programs that don't have a clinical component. A lot of brick and mortar universities give PhDs totally online for that reason. DNP programs actually have requirements of over 500 clinical hours for entry. Since it is a practice doctorate, they do more clinicals and a clinical project.
5. You obviously have been in neither, but it is never too late to learn.
toomuchbaloney said:Academia didn't tell because nurses that they needed BSNs to practice, hospitals did. The expected consequence to requiring more education is that some people will pursue higher degrees in their profession.
It was actually academia who conducted research and found out that patient outcomes improved when the nurse had a bachelors degree vs ADN. Hospitals implemented the evidence based findings.
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