Georgia law prohibits DNPs from using the term "doctor"

[klone]

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Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp signed a bill into law May 2 preventing nonphysicians from using specialty titles such as "doctor," in an effort to promote transparency for patients.

Senate Bill 197 was written by state Sen. Chuck Hufstetler, a certified anesthesiologist assistant. It's summary outlines an aim "to prohibit deceptive or misleading terms or false representations by healthcare practitioners in advertisements and representations" and to do the same regarding the "misappropriation of medical or medical specialty titles."

Georgia blocks nonphysicians from using specialty titles

[mmc51264, BSN, MSN, RN]

I have a little bit different take. I looked into a DNP program. It is fluff to me. Comparing a DNP, with an extra 3-4 semesters and a mini thesis is no where the same as a Ph.D. I am bothered by the doctorates for PT/OT as well.  I am not sure what the impetus was for creating all these "doctors" and it is confusing to people outside the fields. To me, its a marketing play to get people to go further into student loan debt. Doesn't get you any more money. 

Have a friend that completed her MSN in Leadership and Finance. Then did a DNP program where she did her "thesis" on off-label uses for statins. Very confused by this. 

Please no flaming. 

[toomuchbaloney]

mmc51264 said:

I have a little bit different take. I looked into a DNP program. It is fluff to me. Comparing a DNP, with an extra 3-4 semesters and a mini thesis is no where the same as a Ph.D. I am bothered by the doctorates for PT/OT as well.  I am not sure what the impetus was for creating all these "doctors" and it is confusing to people outside the fields. To me, its a marketing play to get people to go further into student loan debt. Doesn't get you any more money. 

Have a friend that completed her MSN in Leadership and Finance. Then did a DNP program where she did her "thesis" on off-label uses for statins. Very confused by this. 

Please no flaming. 

You don't value the degrees, OK.

You haven't actually made a case that a doctorate in nursing or PT or some other discipline is just fluff.  It's OK for you to feel confused, have you tried to correct that confusion? Why did you put "thesis" in quotes? On what topic did you write your thesis?

[Emergent, RN]

toomuchbaloney said:

You don't value the degrees, OK.

You haven't actually made a case that a doctorate in nursing or PT or some other discipline is just fluff.  It's OK for you to feel confused, have you tried to correct that confusion? Why did you put "thesis" in quotes? On what topic did you write your thesis?

You have to admit that there is quite a bit of fluff in advanced degrees of many fields. I have to agree that Academia is trying to garner a bigger share of the GNP of the economy. And healthcare as a whole  is definitely gobbling up quite a large slice, in and of itself. 

[toomuchbaloney]

Emergent said:

You have to admit that there is quite a bit of fluff in advanced degrees of many fields. I have to agree that Academia is trying to garner a bigger share of the GNP of the economy. And healthcare as a whole  is definitely gobbling up quite a large slice, in and of itself. 

Academia didn't tell because nurses that they needed BSNs to practice, hospitals did. The expected consequence to requiring more education is that some people will pursue higher degrees in their profession.  

[mmc51264, BSN, MSN, RN]

toomuchbaloney said:

You don't value the degrees, OK.

You haven't actually made a case that a doctorate in nursing or PT or some other discipline is just fluff.  It's OK for you to feel confused, have you tried to correct that confusion? Why did you put "thesis" in quotes? On what topic did you write your thesis?

I DO value degrees! That's this issue (I have 6) 

The case for calling the DNP/PT/OT fluff is 1-I looked into the DNP (as I said), 2-my friend got hers and agreed,3-as an orthopedic RN, I work with PT/OT on a daily basis. We've had lengthy discussions on this topic-both brand new and veteran therapists. 

The confusion I have is how a paper that is about off-label statin use enhances a degree in Finance and Leadership. 

I have not written a thesis because I have not completed a doctorate program. (not counting my Biology degree senior thesis on Parasites of Large Ratite Birds-pre-vet emphasis). 

I am trying to put down the DNP, DPT, etc. I still think it is a money making thing and am not sure it really enhances the particular careers. 

 

[toomuchbaloney]

mmc51264 said:

I DO value degrees! That's this issue (I have 6) 

The case for calling the DNP/PT/OT fluff is 1-I looked into the DNP (as I said), 2-my friend got hers and agreed,3-as an orthopedic RN, I work with PT/OT on a daily basis. We've had lengthy discussions on this topic-both brand new and veteran therapists. 

The confusion I have is how a paper that is about off-label statin use enhances a degree in Finance and Leadership. 

I have not written a thesis because I have not completed a doctorate program. (not counting my Biology degree senior thesis on Parasites of Large Ratite Birds-pre-vet emphasis). 

I am trying to put down the DNP, DPT, etc. I still think it is a money making thing and am not sure it really enhances the particular careers. 

 

Sounds like a put down to me... but that's OK.

[mmc51264, BSN, MSN, RN]

toomuchbaloney said:

Sounds like a put down to me... but that's OK.

There is a typo in my response, but it is not a put down!  Does spending the time and money get anyone more money? no. 

Not even going to get into a program that a new grad I am orienting was in at Emory where they graduated with a Masters of something and started their nursing career with a masters (not an MSN) and they are not at all prepared to practice. 

From the Emory website: "This program provides a fast track from no nursing experience to becoming an advanced practice nurse. Students will earn a Master of Nursing in 15-months that will allow them to license as Registered Nurses,"  They "earn" a Masters of Nursing (MN) this is ridiculous to me. 

[Hoosier_RN, MSN]

mmc51264 said:

They "earn" a Masters of Nursing (MN) this is ridiculous to me. 

Agreed, most have not mastered anything in the nursing realm. It takes time, which hasn't been given with the direct entry programs 

[feelix, RN]

People need to get out of the ******** named Georgia.

[Phil]

You become a doctor by virtue of your doctorate degree ie PhD, EdD, DPT,.... You become a physician by virtue of your training in the medical field ie MD or DO (Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine). DNP's are doctors but are not physicians.

[chunkymonkeyRN]

This is nothing more than an AA mad that he cannot function independently like CRNAs can.  That's all there is to it,

[klone, MSN, RN]

What's an AA?