Understanding the Risk of Firearms: Suicide vs. Homicide - page 7

If you watch the news or TV shows, you might be led to believe that there is a high risk of firearm homicide. Researchers from Northeastern University, University of Washington, and Harvard... Read More

  1. by   rzyzzy
    Quote from LibraSunCNM
    "Survivors" in quotes? Are you implying the shooting at Parkland was a hoax? Do you realize how despicable you sound?
    It is quite despicable that within hours of both the sandy hook and parkland shootings those who had an agenda were flying in schills and public relations hacks toplay a pre-recorded script that advocated abridging our rights. The proposed laws were already written. The "victims" were and are interchangeable. The agenda was waiting for the opportunity to be aired. Those facts can't be debunked. Read the stories about the "help" the parkland students received & how long that help took to arrive.

    If the "victims" are interchangeable, their message isn't organic or grassroots- it's AstroTurf.
  2. by   klone
    Please, out of a basic sense of decency, stop putting "victims" in quotes. There are people HERE at this website, reading and participating in this thread, who lost friends or family in these shootings. To suggest that these lost lives are fictional is despicable and gross.
  3. by   Jedrnurse
    Quote from rzyzzy
    It's not even a secret that both moms against gun violence and the parkland "survivors" are funded by Michael Bloomberg. David Hogg was / is not a "survivor" of the parkland shooting, he was at home when it happened. Giffords is literally a puppet of her money-chasing husband - this has all been well documented. And the Brady campaign is still "handgun control inc", with the same agenda today that they had in 1975.

    There's no need for a "conversation" that involves only one side sacrificing their constitutional rights.
    You could probably make an argument for your side without resorting to trotting out base propaganda lies...
  4. by   rzyzzy
    Quote from Jedrnurse
    You could probably make an argument for your side without resorting to trotting out base propaganda lies...
    Please show me where the lies are?

    David Hogg, et al is controlled & funded by Shannon Watts, who is on Michael Bloomberg's payroll. One big check-writer, multiple AstroTurf organizations.

    Gun-control groups seize on Parkland shooting to build a bigger movement
  5. by   pixierose
    Quote from OldDude
    OK...here goes. I've said it before and I'm saying it now. Regardless of your point of view about the subject, guns in the US are here to stay, and the best route forward is to deal with those who will use them to try and kill innocent people. Regardless of regulation, guns will be available to bad guys, good guys, and the entire spectrum of guys between those book ends. I believe once we stop trying to control the guns and wholeheartedly concentrate on the woefully lacking mental health climate in the US we can make a difference in the senseless loss of life and grief as has been inflicted to now.
    Guns are here to stay. I'm not here to speak in place of every gun control advocate, but as much as I would love to abolish them, we'd never get rid of them all. There is simply too many. And there are people who are responsible gun owners; I have several family out in the Midwest who are avid hunters, and they are responsible gun owners in the truest, law abiding way possible.

    But.

    "Once we stop trying to control the guns and wholeheartedly concentrate on the woefully lacking mental health climate in the US" - it isn't *just* mental health. I started my career in psych, work per diem 1-3x/week in psych (inpatient and ED) and was a teacher before this. We have woefully inadequate mental health services in this country. We are packed to the gills in the ED (we had people in the halls earlier in the week, which is normal) and currently full in inpatient.

    But it's not JUST mental health. And this is why we can't make a difference. We need to control aspects of guns - sorry, it's true. People DON'T need lots and lots of guns; the more guns out there in circulation, the more likely the bad guys can get them. Or high rounds/minute - more people die. Or whatever.

    Bowing out of this debate.
  6. by   Farawyn
    Quote from Sparki77
    1. The "bad guys " (used as an umbrella term) will always find a way to possess a firearm. They do not/will not follow any type of law. I am stating the obvious.

    2. Automatic guns, which have been banned for purchase since 1986 I believe, and are the type of guns used by the military only, are often lumped in with semi-automatic guns. The wording is not interchangeable.

    3. AR does NOT stand for Assault/Automatic Rifle. It is a brand name, Armalite. This is a redundant fact that still somehow causes confusion even though it's been stated a billion and one times.

    4. I am all for complete and thorough background checks. My state is notoriously difficult to obtain a license in.

    5. Mental health options/availability is severely lacking, as is addiction treatment facilities.

    6. I have my LTC concealed.

    7. I also own an "AR" type platform rifle that only fires as fast as I can pull the trigger. That is not considered an assault rifle by any means though it still somehow causes confusion as certain groups will directly or indirectly have people believe.

    8. The only reason I do not own an actual AR-15 is because my state banned them without any forewarning to licensed carriers and FFL dealers.

    9. This post is just a reflection of my thoughts at the moment.....I am not looking for a debate here.
    Keep coming back to number 3.

    We know. Who cares?
  7. by   Farawyn
    Quote from klone
    Thanks, Tomi.

    I'm sure that fact gives a lot of comfort to the parents of the babies who died at Sandy Hook, or my personal friend, who's daughter was killed in the Santa Fe High School shooting last May.

    It doesn't stand for Assault Rifle?? Well, THAT'S sure as **** a relief!
    *love*
  8. by   Farawyn
    Quote from rzyzzy
    Please show me where the lies are?

    David Hogg, et al is controlled & funded by Shannon Watts, who is on Michael Bloomberg's payroll. One big check-writer, multiple AstroTurf organizations.

    Gun-control groups seize on Parkland shooting to build a bigger movement
    Is there an ignore feature? Because this poster is making me physically ill.
  9. by   hherrn
    Quote from rzyzzy
    It is quite despicable that within hours of both the sandy hook and parkland shootings those who had an agenda were flying in schills and public relations hacks toplay a pre-recorded script that advocated abridging our rights. The proposed laws were already written. The "victims" were and are interchangeable. The agenda was waiting for the opportunity to be aired. Those facts can't be debunked. Read the stories about the "help" the parkland students received & how long that help took to arrive.

    If the "victims" are interchangeable, their message isn't organic or grassroots- it's AstroTurf.
    Moderators-

    Please review these posts for TOS violations.
    "2.You agree NOT to post false, defamatory, name-calling, obscene, or threatening messages."

    Referring to murdered kids as "victims" is both obscene and defamatory.
  10. by   Neats
    I remember back in the early 1980's at Fort Devens in MA there was a increasing incident of suicide/domestic violence. The commander of the post mandated all privately owned guns to be kept in the armory room. I was an Army Nurse at Cutler Hospital there. Three months after that mandated order an Army Sargent killed his wife with a baseball bat. Just saying. Responsible gun ownership is the way to go.

    If you look at the history in the UK when they took guns away they had to start taking away a lot of other things to include kitchen knives whose blades were longer than the recommended mandated size greater than 8 inches. Currently today because there is a rash of increasing suicides from cutting with knives whose blades are less than 5 inches to replace with the ceramic blades, soon it will be against the law to have any metal blades. Where does this end? Did shootings go down in the UK yes but there was a host of a lot of other crimes that went up, people will find another way to harm themselves or others. The UK continues to have some of the worst crime in the world and people are having a hard time defending themselves.

    I have been a recurrent visitor to NYC since the late 1970's at a time when things were out of control. Then the city was 'cleaned up" so to speak, today they have some of the toughest gun laws that to me infringe on my gun rights and they also have other physical assault crimes going up to. Now days when you walk down the streets of NYC you see the police presence with the military style scaffolding on the streets and on side of buildings looking down at the public...(it makes me feel like I did when I was in East Berlin before the wall went down) weapon in their hands, on the news recently you see a man walking down the street sidewalk minding his own business and another man coming from the side pushing him into oncoming traffic, the man who pushed this stranger is still at large--I think it was NYC) My point is that you take away the guns people will find other things to inflict injury/suicide against others or to them selves.
    Most recently many of you read about the woman who shot and killed one of the intruders who kicked down her door. I want that kind of protection.

    Attempted Suicide/Suicide is a serious mental health concern but tighter gun control is not the answer to it all. I am for the fingerprint triggers, I lock my weapons up, I am a responsible gun owner and take this seriously. I use my weapon for 2 reasons. 1. Food (I go hunting) and 2. Protection not only for my property but from animals I may encounter like cougars, bears when I am hiking in the wilderness. I do not want my amendment rights taken away/rescinded or interrupted in a different way because of an emotional topic and per the CDC

    "Suicide is rarely caused by a single factor. Although suicide prevention efforts largely focus on identifying and providing treatment for people with mental health conditions, there are many additional opportunities for prevention."

    Gun control is an opportunity to education about the importance of gun safety not getting rid of guns from responsible and legal gun owners. Bad guys will always find another gun, another bat or another blade...
  11. by   OldDude
    Quote from pixierose

    Bowing out of this debate.
    I understand, you've made good points. The subject is exhausting.
  12. by   Farawyn
    Hopeless.

    Gun lovers will never, ever think a gun is even a factor in homicide or suicide by firearm.

    I'm done.
  13. by   BCgradnurse
    Quote from Farawyn
    Hopeless.

    Gun lovers will never, ever think a gun is even a factor in homicide or suicide by firearm.

    I'm done.
    I guess i'll amend your post to gun fanatics. I have nothing against responsible gun owners who are open to honest debate and discussion, and care about keeping everyone safe. I have no use for the true fanatics who care more about their guns than children. I honestly think there is some pathology there, and that causes me concern for their suitability to own a lethal weapon.

    I'm done, too. There is a poster here whose comments are so despicable that they don't even merit a reply. Let's not give him or her fuel for their delusions.

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