Nursing, is it god's work? - page 4

The original poster is someone who doesfeel that it was a calling. I am asking that those who do NOT share the original posters sentiments please walk away from this thread and NOT use it as a forum... Read More

  1. by   CashewLPN
    hi kids...

    just me here....
    I'm finding this very interesting...
    um... imho.... nursing, to me, and, perhaps only to me... who knows... was the best option at the time... nobody, but my 'friendly neighborhood bill collector', and, my lovely parents...and, of course me, myself and I pushed (shoved?) me into this profession at a very tender age....
    um.... religious calling.... again... interesting.... maybe not too applicable to me, but, alas, it is interesting...
    (PS.... I dont have horns, nor do I metamorphose into a snake (horned/horney or whatever).... even when i'm in bad mood..... and, I dont believe in the devil... and, yet, its still very very interesting...)
    brightest nights!
  2. by   Jay-Jay
    Originally posted by ktwlpn
    ...Locking the other thread at the behest of a mod also smacks of censorship because there was no TOS violation and I want the mods and Brian to know exactly how I feel regarding this subject and hope the rest of you communicate your feelings to them as well...THis is just the kind of thing I was afraid would happen when the "We are Christian Nurses" thread was left open-if that type of thread is allowed then we'll see threads called "We,democrat,pagan,chinese,italian,p regnant,short and fat nurses,etc..The other thread was closed because the opions of others in opposition were being voiced and a mod did not agree.....Will we give only "Christians" and open forum here? I do not wish to be indentified as a "Christian" nurse but rather a professional nurse.....That's the image I wish to project-a kind,conscientious,caring and half smart nurse...not a saint
    Ktwlpn, I think you believe that I was the mod who requested the thread be locked. Nothing could be further from the truth. I wanted the thread to stay open, but it was getting nasty. One poster said that he/she felt 'being called' sounded like a 'bunch of hooey'. That is being extremely disrespectful to the person who started the thread (Nevada) and to those of us who feel we were 'called' to be nurses.

    It was getting very late at night, I was tired, and afraid that, due to my own beliefs, I might not be as unbiased as I should be. Therefore, I PM'd TWO other mods, and asked them to have a look at it (this was after the very negative post by Sjoe.) One of them decided to lock it. By that time, I had logged out and gone to bed.

    Here are my feelings re: debates of this type. I like what Winston Churchill once said. I'm not sure of his exact words, but they were something like this: "I may disagree with what the honourable member says, but I will defend to the death his right to say it." This, IMO, is the essence of democracy.

    I would also like to remind posters of something else. If someone states that they feel they were 'called' to nursing, that calling is the reason for them doing what they are doing. It lies very close to their heart, to the core of who they are. How would YOU like to have someone say they felt your "calling" was a "bunch of hooey"?? Please, let's show some respect, some basic politness to other people's beliefs! Far too often, Christians posting on this board have their beliefs trashed and trampled by those who believe differently. And yes, it did happen to Caroladybelle too, (who is Jewish) though the person responsible did not realize they were being disrespectful, and later apologized.

    "Will we give only Christians an open forum here?" No, Ktwlpn, far from it! Most of the Christian threads started on this board in the time I've been here have been locked, exactly for the reasons I stated above. The Christian Nurses thread is the sole survivor, and the current thread was started by an atheist. THAT is what I am angry about.

    Edited to add: Just realized that my last sentence could be misinterpreted. I am angry about the Christian threads almost always having to be locked due to mud-slinging, NOT about the current thread being started by an atheist! :imbar
    Last edit by Jay-Jay on Aug 2, '03
  3. by   Nurse Ratched
    I have no problem with religious threads in and of themselves either, despite being an atheist. The problem is when the seemingly inevitable personal attacks start. Interestingly, more of them seem to be between people of differing faiths rather than between people of faith and those who are atheist/agnostic. IMHO, spirituality seems not to be the problem as much as man's interpretation of its practice through organized religion.

    One of my favorite illustrative stories is a twisted little ditty told by Emo Phillips:

    I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?" He said, "Baptist!" I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?" He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?" He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.
  4. by   caroladybelle
    Oh, goodness, my name shows up!!

    I figure that any thread that is going to accomplish much, demonstrate intelligence, and establish any ideals is bound to also to have a large share of ignorance,and misunderstanding.

    If this BB is to have deep conversations, there are going to be a few hurt feelings and a few ticked off people. And, we as mature adults, should be able to take a few hits. It isn't pleasant and we may not like it, but that is life......

    And also much like nursing itself.

    I believe what I believe because it is deeply engrained as part of my very being. A few verbal slings and arrows are not going to change that. While several people have come to my defence (and I Thank You), I will continue to defend what I believe in as right because I am one extremely hard headed woman that would like others not of my beliefs, to gain some perception of mine, so that we all can coexist peacefully.

    I am disheartened when some threads get "locked" because I also feel censorship of ideas is wrong. I believe that some of these things need to be talked out. There are very few threads that should be locked (most notably obvious spam, porno slams, and the troll that put a link in for a nazi/selective breeding & extermination site come to mind). But I would like to think that we could all encourage the "good" posts and discourage the "misinformed" posts, as has happened recently with several threads.

    And thank you for the compliments, all.

    Carolina (do I still get to be a "horned viper"????) of the City.
  5. by   caroladybelle
    Also, is nursing a calling?

    Only that all of us have special abilities and desires that dictate our choices.

    Should we be paid less for a "calling" . No, if anything we deserve more money because we are so perfectly suited for what we do. And we should be treated brilliantly, because that is what we do so well.

    Is it G-d's work? As anything in this world is of G-d, so is Nursing.

    And for anyone with patience, and a lot of time, a long movie but with a great deal of spiritual belief expressed, "Gods And Generals". About the Civil War, and both side's sense of duty, and belief in G-d. Kind of long but has some interesting messages and spins on history.
  6. by   live4today
    IMO.......and my opinion is just as valid here as anyone elses...

    In my opinion, anytime "GOD" appears in a subject, many come running to that thread just to see what is being talked about...believers and nonbelievers alike.

    The trouble NEVER remains about "GOD" quickly escalates into a "Religious thread".........which is TOTALLY soooooooooo NOT "GOD" like.

    People equate "GOD" to their "denominational upbringing". Just because one belongs to a "Denomination" or "sect" does NOT make that person a "GOD"ly believer.........follower of Christ....true believer in Christ.

    I do NOT adhere to any form of manmade religions.....not catholic, not protestant, not atheism, not judism, not agnosticism (sp?), not new age theories of name a few of many.

    The farthest goal from my life's journey is to be a "religious person" or follower of something started by man and then labeled it a religion that is suppose to represent "GOD".

    I avoid stuff like this, therefore stopped going to manmade religious churches, buildings, places of religious gatherings, and the like.

    GOD.........I believe in! Manmade stuff that likes to connect its "religious title" to the name of "GOD"......NOT!!!

    Go and live in peace..........wherever that peace may take you........whatever it may bring your the end of life...we'll all receive an "Awakening we couldn't have humanly imagined!" Some will be shocked.......some will drop dead "again" from the shock........and some STILL won't be phased with THE TRUTH staring them in the face. So to argue this subject is pointless. Just breathe..........just live and follow the golden rule.......the outcome WILL come whether we wish for it or not....whether we believe in it or not. What will be will be because it always has been, and always will be.......Alpha and Omega.....The Beginning and The End....and you and I were NOT present to really see WHAT HAPPENED? This is where FAITH comes in to play, and what FAITH means to one, it doesn't mean to another. Sooooooooo why put each other down for it? Why can't we discuss a topic like this without the flames flying all over the thread? We certainly have more in common than our ability to throw flame balls at each other! Throw a little loveball instead and see how much "lighter" your hearts will feel.

    My youngest granddaughter's name is SERENITY! When was the last time any of you experienced that?
    Last edit by live4today on Aug 2, '03
  7. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by cheerfuldoer
    My youngest granddaughter's name is SERENITY! When was the last time any of you experienced that?
    All the time thank you very much! And it has nothing to do with God.

    Loved your post!
  8. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by caroladybelle
    If this BB is to have deep conversations, there are going to be a few hurt feelings and a few ticked off people. And, we as mature adults, should be able to take a few hits. It isn't pleasant and we may not like it, but that is life......
    I agree one has to have thick skin to participate in BB's. I have been flamed to a crisp on many a BB in my years on the internet. I've survived, and I've even stuck around. It takes a lot to run me off of a BB once I've settled in.

    Many complaints were made that "you can't express yourself here", "you have to walk on eggshells here", "there's too much censorship".

    So to have good discussions or debates, every now and then there are going to be a few hot heads. I try to let the few mean and negative posts ruin it for me.

    Overall, I sincerely believe this discussion has gone well. Not everyone agrees, not everyone was friendly, but there were only a few trolls. It bothers me when people get all hot and bothered over a few trolls and ignore dozens of interesting and enlightening posts.

    There are spiritual boards at a site I post at frequently. (But only lurk in the spiritual side, since I'm not very spiritual). There are some heated discussions on the nondemoninational board and the Christian board alive. Can't have all kissy lovey dovey IF one is to have a dynamic bb.

    Thanks for listening.
  9. by   WhiteCaps
    As I understand it, the original question was whether or not nursing is "God's work". The idea of "calling" is secondary.

    For those who find God to be an offensive word, I would just suggest : truth hurts.

    One does not have to be religious to be kind or compassionate.

    But, I don't understand how a person can look at the marvelous complexities of the human body without acknowledging the design of creation. Where there is design, there is a designer.

    I don't have enough faith to NOT believe!
  10. by   Furball
    "God" is not offensive...what is HIGHLY offensive are the superior attitudes exhibited quite frequently on this BB by "Christian" nurses towards those who have different faiths.
  11. by   Gator,SN
    "God" is not offensive...what is HIGHLY offensive are the superior attitudes exhibited quite frequently on this BB by "Christian" nurses towards those who have different faiths
    Well said!
    (and I am a Christian)
  12. by   SmilingBluEyes
    ITA furball!!!! The MOST dedicated Christians I know practice their faith quietly, altruistically and without any ceremony. AND some of the greatest healing influences I have met are neither Christian or believe in any diety.

    To each his/her own. How bout this? I won't squash your faith if you won't stand on a soapbox over me. Sounds fair.
  13. by   Furball
    Sounds fair to me!
    PS Isn't there a verse somewhere in the bible about not wearing your religion/faith like a medal to be shown off?